Chart shows Apple's case in a nutshell; Samsung designer says she did not copy Apple's icons
Samsung designed Jeeyuen Wang testified that she did not copy Apple's icons for the Samsung Galaxy S
Wang had started working at Samsung as an intern and is the first person from Samsung's Korean operations to take the stand. Trying to show the court that other companies besides Apple are obsessive about design, she told the court how hundreds of designers from around the world had worked on the design of the Samsung Galaxy S. Wang testified that during this time period, she slept only 2 to 3 hours a night. In the TMI department, she told the jury that she had just given birth during that time period but couldn't breastfeed regularly because of her work load.
source: CNET, AllThingsD
1. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
"Wang testified that during this time period, she slept only 2 to 3 hours a night. In the TMI department, she told the jury that she had just given birth during that time period but couldn't breastfeed regularly because of her work load."
WOW, Great testimony! That will surely help sammy... good job and keep em coming...
35. remixfa (Posts: 14060; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
that's not just a korean thing. That happens a lot in america too. Dont get too high and mighty. Many of your "higher ups" and leads work extreme hrs. I used to clock 100 hrs a week running a business. I opened a new build and averaged 3-4 hrs of sleep a night for the first month or so and the rest was at the location to get it up, running, employees hired and trained, inspections, ect. You do what needs to be done to get the product out on time.
37. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
38. Hemlocke (unregistered)
Yes, because the testimony of an employee of the company on trial is MUCH more convincing than the treasure trove of internal documents that state that the iPhone is the model for the company's phones after 2007.
52. willard12 (Posts: 864; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
Do the documents show that the iPhone is the "model" for their phones or their "competition?" I bet Apple doesn't have any documents on any other company. That whole pull down notification thing.......coincidence.
78. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Ok.....dont act like testimony isnt important. Some cases are won and lost based on testimony at times.
2. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8833; Member since: 14 May 2012)
She had a baby but couldn't breast feed because she was working on the Galaxy S. If that isn't dedication, I don't know what is.
6. SlimSoulja86 (Posts: 642; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)
LOL, true that. Sounds cute. >>for the record i'm not trolling
8. Santi_Santi (unregistered)
I can imagine her saying to his baby, honey im making one of the best phone ever, i hope you can forgive me...
27. lubba (Posts: 1311; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
Using psychology to produce results. Sickening. This is one way how criminals get away with crimes and crimes get unpunished.
77. jp26sx (Posts: 14; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
"The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, or the one" I hope Gene Roddenberry doesn't come back to life and sue me for using that.
3. androidornothing (Posts: 143; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)
Lmaoooo this is awesome Sammy. Ur the best
70. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
using an emotional testimony that provides no relevant info to the case to bias a jury?
yeah.. what a role model
76. jp26sx (Posts: 14; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
I think this is more of emotional link to how much effort went into designing the device. A true copy cat wouldn't need to have needed to dedicate that much time invested.
4. Santi_Santi (unregistered)
Apple - Ok sammy you stole my market and i will sue you, so give me my money back
Sammy - what money?
Apple - my money, all the money, all is mine, and i will sue you for a rectangular shape!
Sammy - what are you talking about?
Apple - im gonna sue you and take all my money back
Sammy - no, you dont have a case
Apple - yes we have
Sammy - Awww cmon, we dont want to go to trial
Apple - yes you will and i will take your money
Sammy - Ok, lets go to trial, but hate to say i told you so
To be continued...
67. livingfordreams (Posts: 1; Member since: 14 Aug 2012)
Looking forward for the next conversation lol.
5. CharlieAtInfinity (Posts: 253; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)
Hard-working and dedicated people must always be appreciated rather than blame them for copying :/ Bad Apple.. :(
Good Article and Great testimony! :)
7. Shino (banned) (Posts: 196; Member since: 23 Jul 2012)
Let's hope that justice will prevail and the yellow brand will get the punishment it deserves.
72. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
By yellow you mean what?? Cowardly??? Or one of those lovely passive racist remarks?
45. quakan (Posts: 1214; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)
According to the Osmonds' "One bad apple don't spoil the whole bunch".
10. Dunknown (Posts: 84; Member since: 23 Jul 2012)
BOth samsun and apple long look almost similar for me. Nothing different just that samsung has 3 capative touch button while Apple only has one.
16. joey_sfb (Posts: 3113; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
"just that samsung has 3 capative touch button while Apple only has one."
Show how much you know about design.
19. Santi_Santi (unregistered)
your nickname is nothing far from the truth...
11. khmer (Posts: 93; Member since: 21 Jun 2012)
Now Samsung must cut the life supports, stop supplying components and parts for rotten Apple until all lawsuits and trials are drop.
Apple didn't lost any cents, Apple made $100 billions by used Samsung components and parts.
13. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5494; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"Now Samsung must cut the life supports, stop supplying components and parts for rotten Apple until all lawsuits and trials are drop."
I'm pretty sure that Samsung can't do that because they have made agreement and if Samsung will not comply agreement, Samsung will have to pay forfeit.
"Apple didn't lost any cents, Apple made $100 billions by used Samsung components and parts."
28. lubba (Posts: 1311; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
Apple has already dropped Samsung for sharp, I think. Chip wise, not yet.
29. Tre-Nitty (Posts: 460; Member since: 16 Nov 2010)
Keep showing your ignorance. First, they cant. Second, they need Apple much more than you think!
32. remixfa (Posts: 14060; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the first part is very true. they are bound by contracts. Also they keep signing new ones.. TOGETHER.
Second part is not true. Apple needs SAMSUNG much more than you think. They had the opportunity to get away from samsung and chose not to. No one else could supply them with what they needed when they needed it. You want to see an iphone with major supply issues? Let them switch from samsung. TMSC cant even handle its current S4 orders which are a FRACTION of the orders apple gets from Samsung for its A4/5/5x processors.
Samsung would just sell the open inventory to other manufacturers. They've already increased factories and production to increase supply to ship. So far they've been running at max production and have only had enough to sell to ZTE. Which company WOULDNT want an Exynos processor? hmm?
55. greathero1 (Posts: 493; Member since: 13 Jun 2008)
Lol! I think the second part is true. If Samsung felt they could rid themselves of Apple, then they already would have by now. The fact that they keep signing contract extensions only validate his point. Smdh! You guys don't get it, they both really do need each other that's why neither has parted with this very disfunctional relationship. Maybe Samsung could find a few more buyers, maybe not. Especially at the iPhone volume. They would gain little. Maybe Apple could go elsewhere but Not get the same overall quality they want. Either way, both could choose to tuck tail and run and neither is doing so. One hell of a bad romance to say the least lol!
56. remixfa (Posts: 14060; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
they could both do without the other. I'd bet samsung could find buyers for most of the chips they made for apple, if not all of them. As a manufacturer, if you could get an exynos quad or an S4 for your device your making, which would you chose? If there was a large supply of exynos, I bet many/most would go for that over the lesser S4. The only hang up would be the US where carriers stupidly demand LTE integration so they can claim big numbers we will never see.
Apple however would have a near impossible time of finding another supplier that can handle that volume with the same quality and non-issues as samsung has done with their chips.
Neither would be "As good" off, but samsung would be better off than apple.
And yes, they have a super dysfunctional abusive love/hate relationship.
59. greathero1 (Posts: 493; Member since: 13 Jun 2008)
Abusive is quite right lol! In the words of Rodney King "why can't we all just get along." even though this is definitely more of Apple pushing people around than Sammy from my observation.
61. remixfa (Posts: 14060; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
yup. that last part i definitely agree with. You dont see Sammy doing a whole lot of pushing.. just push back when they've been pushed for a while. Other than that, they seem to stay pretty silent in the judicial system.... at least for phones.
68. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)
and a good thing is that Sammy has money from the iPhones and iPads :-)
12. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)
So Samsungs does over worked its employees.. hmmm a person not sleeping could not be 100% and may have taken ideas without her knowing.. but is still copying.. have a designer design anything with days and night without sleeping and see what it comes out with.. please you cant even drive and you tell me she can design a phone,.. please.. go Apple..
17. joey_sfb (Posts: 3113; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
"she told the court how hundreds of designers from around the world had worked on the design of the Samsung Galaxy S."
There are many more aspect to a phone than a round corner rectangle, such as i don know, hmm.. the back button for example that none of the apple device has. Another one could be the option button that the apple device don have....
So samsung phone has round corner and an green phone icon and based on this which fall under basic design rules, Apple demands 2 billons or more from Samsung.
Gee! Apple is really a dxxk!
20. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)
so hundred of designers came up with that?.. please see the obvious..
34. remixfa (Posts: 14060; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
they didnt come up with "just that", they came up with every icon, menu, swipe, effect, option, grid, ect. There is a lot more to a UX than a green phone icon.
62. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)
well not the call button that is an exact replica.. wow a bunch of designers,.. and now being accused of copying.. just went from bad to worse
65. remixfa (Posts: 14060; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i didnt know accused means guilty.
if thats true, than i accuse you of getting down and dirty with Drumstick icecream sundays... on saturdays... and maybe even cheatin on the stick with a lil chocolate Klondike action while filming it for dirty dirty fetish websites.
I accused you.. thus, by your standards.. your guilty.
73. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
I needed that Remix, ty. Should sub Klondike for ChocoTaco50 for good measure.
18. Santi_Santi (unregistered)
"So Samsungs does over worked its employees"
maybe you forgot about that Foxconn company? the company who ensambles each iPhone? oops!
21. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)
so you are trying to say that Apple and Samsung are alike... even on that.. hmm see they do copy
23. Santi_Santi (unregistered)
im sorry gallito, maybe you dont know how is the trial going. maybe if you do, you would see that each acusation from apple has been clearly dismissed with arguments by samsung... Koh even tossed 3 devices! im just waiting for apples failure, and then, i hope you can still be here just to make fun of you and your pathetic apple-deity religion...
25. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)
is sad that you want a company to fail so bad.. that has not done nothing directly at you.. and if it has. well sorry for you. my life goes on whether Apple wins or looses... grow up and don't reply because I wont
26. Santi_Santi (unregistered)
but youre still defending apple... that proves me that im not the only one...
39. networkdood (Posts: 6310; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
loses - learn to spell - and, if you have a life, why are you always on here criticizing Android, when there is much more to criticize when it comes to iphones? Stop being a troll.
63. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)
I post less than you now.. opps forgat you were on the shelf for a week.. my bad..
43. networkdood (Posts: 6310; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
your statement describes what you do - 'isn't ironic, don't ya think'
64. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)
I dont get emotional or want Android to do bad... I dont go out of my way to trash Android.. or lose ( loose I like it this way) sleep over it..
22. pkiran1996 (Posts: 165; Member since: 22 Oct 2011)
"Samsung overworks it's employees"...
Apple have SUICIDE nets outside the Foxconn employee living quarters because they can't handle working for Apple and you're talking about overworking employees? Get a grip and face reality.
46. quakan (Posts: 1214; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)
Sounds like they need unions and government reform, it's not Apple's fault the system is f*cked over there. Plus, it's not just Apple taking advantage of their f*cked system.
60. remixfa (Posts: 14060; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you cant have unions when they are illegal. China is not the US. What works here does not work there.
You cant reform the government when the government murders and jails all opposition.
Unless there is a massive, uniform uprising that is willing to take massive casualties to win the cause (they will be unarmed and gunned down en masse by the army), the situation in China is unlikely to ever change. That is the true power of communism/socialism. The stronger the state is, the less liberty and power the people have.
74. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
Some companies take advantage of flawed systems...
14. Penny (Posts: 1243; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
I feel like I'm turning into a troll. All I can do anywhere I go online now is see the hypocrisy of Android fans. If the last couple of lines from this article were the last couple of lines of an Apple article related to Foxconn or something, let's just say the users here certainly wouldn't be commending the company for how "hard-working and dedicated" its employees are. Can't help but bring this kind of stuff up now.
15. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5494; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
1. Samsung's designers are better paid than workers from Foxconn.
2. Workers from Foxconn also have kids.
24. greathero1 (Posts: 493; Member since: 13 Jun 2008)
Why not compare designer salaries to other designer salaries. You can't compare assembly line workers pay to designers pay. And Penny is correct. It is now out that Samsung has allowed just as much abuse of concerning labor conditions as Apple. They also employed what we consider underage labor as well. Check out the article on Marketwatch or just google it and see how much stuff pops up. There is also a website called stopSamsung.wordpress.com. They are really no better than Apple in this department dude.
30. kew01 (Posts: 15; Member since: 28 Jul 2012)
Or maybe, just maybe it was HER choice to do so, and no one told her "if you don't work 20 hours a day, you're fired".
I seem to remember that Samsung gave its employees 2nd, 3nd and 5 chances to rectify their mistakes before getting the axe.
So maybe... just maybe... it's a CULTURAL thing. We all know asians (especially chinese, koreans and japanese) are very dedicated and hard workers, especially when they work for something they think its important and want to show results.
I doubt Samsung would have fired her if she didn't work that much after giving birth. I bet she chose not to get payd leave like all new mothers get, from few weeks before giving birth and 1-2 years after.
Or maybe that practice is just in my country and in Asia women are forced to work right after they give birth, right?