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BlackBerry says its phones are still secure after report that Dutch group decrypted email

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BlackBerry says its phones are still secure after report that Dutch group decrypted email
You might recall that a few days ago, we passed along a report stating that the Netherlands Forensic Institute had decrypted emails taken from a BlackBerry device. In a response posted today on its blog, BlackBerry responded by saying that its phones are "as secure as they have always been." The company says that it does not have information about the device employed, how it was configured and other factors pertaining to the claim.

The source of the story, Motherboard, cited Crime News as saying that a BlackBerry 9720 was employed. The phone used PGP encryption and was purchased from one of a number of vendors who sell so-called PGP enhanced BlackBerry handsets. These phones typically include custom-built, security focused software which includes encrypted email.

BlackBerry said that the ability of the NFI to crack the encryption might have nothing to do with the way the BlackBerry handset was designed. The manufacturer said that an unsecure third party app, or the "deficient security behavior of the user" could have been responsible. The NFI is an organization that works with law enforcement.

BlackBerry added in its response that it does not have a back door on its devices, and its phones do not store device passwords. As a result, it does not share such passwords with law enforcement agencies or anyone else. There is speculation that software from Cellebrite was used to decrypt the email, or that a memory chip was removed from the device and the data subsequently dumped.

You can read the entire response from BlackBerry, below.

"There have been recent media reports that police-affiliated groups in the Netherlands have been able to 'crack' the encryption protecting e-mails and other data that are stored on BlackBerry devices.

BlackBerry does not have any details on the specific device or the way that it was configured, managed or otherwise protected, nor do we have details on the nature of the communications that are claimed to have been decrypted.

If such an information recovery did happen, access to this information from a BlackBerry device could be due to factors unrelated to how the BlackBerry device was designed, such as user consent, an insecure third party application, or deficient security behavior or the user.

Furthermore, there are no backdoors in any BlackBerry devices, and BlackBerry does not store and therefore cannot share BlackBerry device passwords with law enforcement or anyone else. In other words, provided that users follow recommended practices, BlackBerry devices remain as secure and private as they have always been."-BlackBerry

source: BlackBerry via Crackberry

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posted on 14 Jan 2016, 12:33

1. StreetNerd (Posts: 821; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)


but not with BB+android :')

posted on 14 Jan 2016, 12:48

2. GeorgeDao123 (Posts: 431; Member since: 20 Aug 2013)


It will be secure, unless the device is rooted.

posted on 14 Jan 2016, 13:23 4

3. Bernoulli (Posts: 4097; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)


It's not rootable so it'll remain secure.

posted on 14 Jan 2016, 13:24 4

4. meanestgenius (Posts: 13104; Member since: 28 May 2014)


Due to the Root of Trust process that the Priv goes through on boot-up, as well as the Priv not being able to be rooted, and PIN injected encryption process right into the Priv hardware, it's pretty secure.

posted on 14 Jan 2016, 13:27 3

5. meanestgenius (Posts: 13104; Member since: 28 May 2014)


Happy to see that BlackBerry set the record straight on this subject.

posted on 14 Jan 2016, 14:01 2

6. xq10xa (Posts: 733; Member since: 07 Dec 2010)


That's a pretty old phone aways......If they did it on the Priv....that would suck.

posted on 14 Jan 2016, 16:23

7. lyndon420 (Posts: 4569; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Do the middle East governments still have their own BB servers for snooping on everyone?

posted on 14 Jan 2016, 18:14 1

8. meanestgenius (Posts: 13104; Member since: 28 May 2014)


Absolutely not.

posted on 14 Jan 2016, 20:58

9. lyndon420 (Posts: 4569; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


You remember reading about this?

www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2010/10/2010108201136732648.html

posted on 14 Jan 2016, 23:42 1

10. meanestgenius (Posts: 13104; Member since: 28 May 2014)


Yep, sure do! And BlackBerry has ALWAYS said that they will cooperate with LAWFUL request for data. What you're saying or believe it to be just isn't true.

It was similar to this incident that BlackBerry got resolved as well:

http://blogs.blackberry.com/2015/11/why-blackberry-is-exiting-pakistan/

As I said, BlackBerry only complies with lawful requests. They DO NOT allow full-on access to someone's information on their servers.

The way YOU put it, BlackBerry just handed over the keys to grant access whenever the government felt like it, for ANY reason whatsoever, and that's not the case. If it were, do you really think that top 5 gas and oil, law firms, and pharmaceutical companies in the world would still be BlackBerry customers, as well as the most enterprises around the world? Do you still think that they'd be able to gain new enterprise customers, which they still do today? Of course they wouldn't.

posted on 14 Jan 2016, 23:49 1

11. meanestgenius (Posts: 13104; Member since: 28 May 2014)


And considering that you admittedly rock a smartphone that runs Google's Android OS, I think it's a little hypocritical of you to be questioning what information a company does and does not allow governments access to.

posted on 15 Jan 2016, 09:12

13. lyndon420 (Posts: 4569; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Hypocritical? In what way? Did I say somewhere that Android is secure and not corrupted by the strong arm of the government(s) like everyone else?

posted on 15 Jan 2016, 11:09 1

15. meanestgenius (Posts: 13104; Member since: 28 May 2014)


Not at all. I just think that someone who is using an OS that admittedly shares your information and tracks you shouldn't be wondering about what other operating systems do when it comes to such. It strikes me as hypocritical.

posted on 15 Jan 2016, 13:18 1

18. lyndon420 (Posts: 4569; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Fair enough. I think when someone states their favorite OS is secure when the rest of us know otherwise is clearly a sign of delusional reasoning. But I see you are a BB loyalist so you aren't likely to accept certain facts.

posted on 15 Jan 2016, 14:55 1

20. meanestgenius (Posts: 13104; Member since: 28 May 2014)


I have NEVER claimed that BlackBerry cannot be hacked. I have ALWAYS claimed that BB10 has YET to be hacked, and that BlackBerry offers a more secure solution than the rest. These are FACTS. If you claim I've said otherwise, then you're both delusional and a liar.

But I see that you're a Google/Android loyalist, so you aren't likely to accept certain facts.

posted on 15 Jan 2016, 18:25

25. lyndon420 (Posts: 4569; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Nope...I've never made any claims such as that with you. It's you that thinks your OS of choice is 'safer' than the others...all I'm attempting to do is bring you down from the clouds a bit - come on man join us down on the ground for a little while and party it up ... it's got to be somewhat lonely up there.

Turning my quote around on me does nothing other than give the impression that you're starting to reach for answers...any answer (used to seeing this from other OS users but not from BB users).

posted on 15 Jan 2016, 18:49 1

26. meanestgenius (Posts: 13104; Member since: 28 May 2014)


I'm not on any "cloud" to be brought down off of. I simply know that my OS of choice is more secure than yours. I think you should quit smoking that good 'ish. It's clouding your judgement.

And me turning your "quote" around on you does nothing but point out that shows that I can place the same BS on you that you choose to place on me. It has nothing to do with what OS I use, as I use BB10, Android, iOS and Windows. You're the "one trick pony" of this little back and forth, not me.

posted on 15 Jan 2016, 23:03

29. lyndon420 (Posts: 4569; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


You're OS is slowly becoming mine with BB adopting Android. What are your thoughts on that? Why are you resorting to 'smoking' references...reaching again?

posted on 16 Jan 2016, 02:47 1

30. meanestgenius (Posts: 13104; Member since: 28 May 2014)


Why do you call Android "yours"? Did you create it? Do you own it? I highly doubt that. In any event, "you're OS is slowly becoming mine" is incorrect. BB10 is in NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM "becoming" Android. BlackBerry has ALSO adopted the USE of Amdroid for its handsets, but BB10 STILL exists on SEPARATE handsets. Learn the difference.

You say I'm "reaching" by making a "smoking reference" concerning you, yet you made a "in the clouds reference" towards me. Isn't that "reaching" as well? Hypocrite, much?

posted on 15 Jan 2016, 10:43

14. lyndon420 (Posts: 4569; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


No OS is safe from the NSA regardless if you believe what the OEM's tell you or not.

posted on 15 Jan 2016, 11:12 1

16. meanestgenius (Posts: 13104; Member since: 28 May 2014)


They're a lot safer than the rest.

posted on 15 Jan 2016, 13:20 1

19. lyndon420 (Posts: 4569; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Either it is safe or it isn't. 'Safer' doesn't mean anything...well except to you I suppose.

posted on 15 Jan 2016, 14:57

21. KillBuZZ (Posts: 7; Member since: 08 Jul 2015)


"Even deleted emails could “largely” be recovered, although police could not hack into the phones from a distance, but had to have them in their hands, the website said, linking to a number of excerpts from what it said were NFI reports."

Above is an excerpt from the statement the Dutch police made, which totally contradicts their Claims. Encrypted data is data stored on or passed through the BlackBerry server which was not accessed, having a device in hand does not equate to 'hacking'. 
Emails physically stored on a BlackBerry device or any other device are not encrypted so you cannot decrypt whats not encrypted lol.‎

posted on 15 Jan 2016, 14:58 1

22. meanestgenius (Posts: 13104; Member since: 28 May 2014)


It does mean something when the solution you offer is much more safe than the rest. If you believe it doesn't, then I guess world governments, enterprises, militaries of the world, etc just don't have a clue. I rather think it's you that doesn't have a clue.

posted on 15 Jan 2016, 17:58 1

24. lyndon420 (Posts: 4569; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


You love your BB that's obvious...not trying to change that. I just can't shake the feeling that you probably didn't even read the entire article I showed you.

posted on 15 Jan 2016, 18:52 1

27. meanestgenius (Posts: 13104; Member since: 28 May 2014)


"I can't shake the feeling that you probably didn't even read the entire article I showed you."

If you believe that, then your feelings betray you. You'd never become a Jedi, that's for sure. However, I can't shake the feeling that you know precious little about BlackBerry and the solutions that they offer. Stick to your precious Android, dude. It's all you know, anyway.

In any event, this is extremely boring as these "one on one, vs" things go. You have your opinions, and I have mine. Leave it at that.

posted on 15 Jan 2016, 21:25

28. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 14310; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


"You have your opinions, and I have mine. Leave it at that."

If only you took your own advice.

posted on 16 Jan 2016, 02:55 1

31. meanestgenius (Posts: 13104; Member since: 28 May 2014)


Says the guy that trolls anything he doesn't agree with or that doesn't suit his warped view of how things should be. Sod off, and seek your entertainment elsewhere. The adults in the room are having a conversation. You won't, and you'll continue to respond, no doubt mimicking what I typed, with your usual attention baiting tactics. But you know the drill. All you'll be met with is a "thanks for proving me right, you sanctimonious troll, now sod off and refer to comment__"

Go ahead and prove me to be right like I know you will. You're megalomania won't allow you to do otherwise.

posted on 16 Jan 2016, 08:03

32. meanestgenius (Posts: 13104; Member since: 28 May 2014)


*your

posted on 16 Jan 2016, 15:18

33. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 14310; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


This is what happens when you're a hypocrite.

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