14% of buyers would purchase the next iPhone, demand at all time high
1. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
huh, 4042 people were surveyed, out of what? 250 million? Yep, anyone who has taken a statistics class knows just how accurate this survey was....
5. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
networkdood, I take it you never took statistics at the graduate level. All you need is a basic understanding of The Law of Large Numbers and assuming you get random people in the survey, the sample result will be a good predictor of the population. The sample error might be +/- 4%.
64. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Took a course first year in college - but it has been a while. Yeah, I have seen how the margin of error is calculated, but to survey only a few and extrapolate that result as answer for large populations is ludricous. Maybe getting 1 million people to respond to a survey would be more accurate, but less plausible of doing so.
67. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
no not at all.. if randomness was achieved, which is somewhat necessary to have a complete survey, then ardent is right and the margin of error is quite small-- even with the less than one million sample size since the percentage of error decreases exponentially
69. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
yeah, I read about margin of error on stats.
71. remixfa (Posts: 14253; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
but these surveys can never be trusted. "intent" and "buy" are never the same.
"Interestingly, only 2% of the respondents expressed high likeliness of buying a Samsung Galaxy S III, even though over 10 million units of the company's flagship have been sold worldwide in just 2 months. "
So, only 2% of people surveyed want the hottest phone on the planet? Something tells me that when they get to the store, that number will change. There is also that well known bit that non tech people use iphone synonymous with "smartphone".
Hell, I answered the samsung intent survey to buy an SGS3. Said I was going to get one.. Yet here I am still using my SGS1 unsure of what exactly I want to buy.
The best way to do this would be to put the iphone and SGS3 infront of people and ask them which they intend to buy. That way any name brand recognition will be at least partially muted by actual consumer awareness of both products.
85. DocOaK17 (Posts: 16; Member since: 12 Jul 2012)
on the planet?'' lol.
Grow up man your sounding like samsung version of taco50 always talking about the sales and bashing other brands like qualcomm etc.
86. MISTER_H (banned) (Posts: 97; Member since: 08 Jul 2012)
Wize up man. Its all about power and specs....
7. -box- (Posts: 3951; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Exactly. Surveys should be in the hundreds of thousands or more to be more accurate, and from a wide variety of peoples and professions.
28. Veigald (Posts: 254; Member since: 13 Jan 2012)
Hundreds of thousands or more? You don't think that would be a bit too expensive to perform?
In general, as soon as you have about 1000 respondents in an assumed random sample of the full population, you can be confident the survey is representative within 1/2% points. This sample is a bit small, but as ardent1 said, that merely increases the sampling error somewhat.
57. Aeires (unregistered)
The problem with small sample analysis is that not enough population demographics get factored in. For instance, if a survey was conducted on the south side of Chicago with 1000 applicants, the results would be much different than 1000 applicants from the north side of Chicago.
To give you an idea of how small sample this is, Android sells more phones in 6 minutes than the entire amount of people surveyed.
10. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Especially if it was conducted in Apple's only stronghold the U.S.
Take this survey anywhere that is not the U.S. & the results would be all in favor of Android.
Almost 1,000,000 daily activations just can't be disputed.
29. TheLibertine (Posts: 484; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)
But if the results were reversed, there would be 47370 flaming comments about what Apple should suck. Android fans become much more terrible than iOS-fanboys ever were. You just turn in the stereotype you hated.
Thats my impression after reading the comments here a few months
40. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Look Apple fans were always spewing crazy talk, it first started with Android will NEVER overtake Apple. Then it went to Android is a DIRECT copy of Apple. Then it went to Android is laggy & will never be as smooth. Then it went to Android voice search is inferior than Apple's. Then it went to rich people by Apple & poor people buy Android. Apple fans will never be topped. They are clearly the most fanatical, almost cult like.
Apple fans forget that they started this a very long while ago. Now Apple fans get all sour about the topic & go as far as saying we have turned into the stereotype we hated.
Look if I was this stereotype then I would be saying all those things, we as Android fans have never done that & probably never will.
The fact is this article is clearly biased because it ONLY takes in to consideration just the U.S. part of the pie. We all know it's not like that elsewhere in the world. That is really point. I am not trying to flame anyone.
It's funny how Apple fans always accuse instead of looking at it from both sides.
46. remtothemax (Posts: 244; Member since: 02 May 2012)
they aren't fanatical and cult like, they are just average groupish human beings
they want what all the other people in their society have because that is how humans work
it isn't rational, its instinctual
the phone works just fine, so there is no reason to look elswhere
android is great, but all the "deal breaking" features are honestly not things that i see the average person (even myself) really needing
they are probably awesome features, but not something that would be more important than having the same apps as your friends
being able to face
being able to use messages
those are the reasons people choose apple, even if they are dated
they didn't buy smartphones to have custom folders and to be able to unlock things and mess around with clocking speeds
47. Penny (Posts: 1370; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
If you don't think the Android fans on this website are the slightest bit fanatical, I think you are being disingenuous to yourself.
The easiest way to point this out is to look at articles related to products OTHER than Android. I don't go to Android articles and trash talk the OS; I give it its props as related to the article and move on. Try going to a Windows Phone article though and NOT seeing Android fans bashing the OS.
TheLibertine pointed out a sincere observation, and it is the truth whether or not you want to agree.
55. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
It's all a matter of opinion. I have NEVER heard an Android fan ever say that an iPhone is for RICH people & an Android phone is for POOR people.
I don't know what else qualifies for FANATICAL or CULT like. Anyone who has been on this site for the last 3 years or so can attest to that.
TheLibertine pointed out something that really is NOT the same at all. Android fans don't have THAT type of mentality.
We are all entitled to believe what we want. It doesn't make it right & it doesn't change the fact that Apple fans HAVE said these things I stated & have instigated in the past.
56. remtothemax (Posts: 244; Member since: 02 May 2012)
and if you want in the most recent threads i can find plenty of quotes for you of android people saying completely irrational, untrue, and fanatical comments
if the mythical apple fan does exist, the android one does as well and is very similar to the apple fan
we are entitled to believe what we want
but just shouting that apple products are inferior, outdated pieces of crap only used by morons is factually inaccurate
and honestly, i cannot remember the last time i saw a true "ifan"
i've seen the fake charicatures, but not the real thing
60. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
& what quotes are these? I stated the age old quotes or arguments. What are these new Android arguments you speak of?
If they are irrational, untrue, & fanatical I would have said something because I don't want to be grouped into that segment. So please let me know so I can be aware of them.
Are you sure they are not retaliation of what someone said?
54. TheLibertine (Posts: 484; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)
No, you're not a stereotype. You are an unprejudiced and rational person, but there are not many of your kind here.
An example - i am an Galaxy Note owner and tired of bugs and lags, i want a more refined performance and better battery life next time, also i want better apps. I know all the specs, i saw tons of reviews, and, after learning Apple has a 91% user satisfaction rate, i choose to use Apple products.
Am i an iSheep? Are my father, mother and grandfather iSheeps? Brainwashed weirdos who have to "wake" up, because most of the people here think they know better and have the only one right opinion? Wake up, aggressive Android fans, every company wants to earn cash, Google and Apple are alike companies. There is not only black and white in this world and there are far bigger problems than two mobile OS.
Now start thumbing down. For great Android justice that shall pass over all the brainwashed iSheeps.
58. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Hey that is a decision you make. If you feel Apple is ok then go for it. It makes no difference to me. Only you will know if the choice you made will be the right choice.
My issue is not with that way of thought, my issue is the mentality & arrogance some people deploy when it comes to Apple as a whole.
I have had people literally tell he that everyone has an Apple computer or that Apple is for rich people not the poor. That is so false yet they continue to argue because they think Apple is a status symbol or something really important to fabricate such ridiculous statements.
Now as an educated person can you see the problem with that? Also with people who blindly think STILL to this day that an Apple iPhone 4 or 4S is 4G. That is my issue, the people who think the iPhone or Apple products are the next coming of Jesus Christ or something along the lines of CULT following. They think in that manner so much that they will fabricate anything to make their point. Android fans never reduce themselves in that manner. Yes we know Android lags but we also understand why. Android does a million things in the background, while Apple stops whatever it’s going to achieve smoothness. Now Android with Jelly Bean hit it on the peak, they have the best of both worlds. No lag, bugs but still achieves incredible smoothness without sacrificing speed.
You made an educated decision & that is fine good for you. That is acceptable, but to say Android fans are somewhere in that ball park it’s ludicrous. Every OEM has their fans, but Apple fans are the cream of the crop when it comes to fanaticism or cult like behavior.
I know many Apple users who are that Apple users, they will never make comments like that or say Apple is for the rich not the poor.
61. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
I am going to change my remark. Apple i$heep are the cream of the crop when it comes to fanaticism or cult like behavior.
The average Apple fan is not that & I should have stated my point a little better. Sorry. :-)
I can admit when I make a mistake, i$heep could never do that.
93. MeoCao (unregistered)
There's nothing wrong with that b-c you have tried different thing and choose what you want. 1Sheep are those who blindly follow Apple and lack any knowledge about other options.
But my advice is next time you should have a look at a JB device, smooth as butter and very clever software, way better than iPhone.
76. serious9010 (Posts: 254; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)
@SuperAndroidEvo: But you are turning into the stereotype you hated (you alone, and many others). I bet this sentence hit u right into the soft spot. This is what truth does ;-)
78. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Ohh c'mon. I am made of tougher stuff. If that hit me on the soft spot then I should NOT be posting my opinions.
It's like this is now Apple fanatics last resort. They say you are turning into the stereotype I speak against.
The minute I say Android is for the RICH and Apple is for the POOR or when this becomes so personal that I need to lie or misrepresent myself or Android, or when it's not fun anymore then YES I have become that stereotype.
Until then serious9010 you are clearly dead wrong. Nice try though. ;-)
It this was truth it would hurt, but this is FAR from the truth. lol
79. serious9010 (Posts: 254; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)
So you feel like some sort of an ambassador of android :-) Save your patriotism for your country, champ ;-)
121. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
I rep what I like. If you want to call me an ambassador by all means do it. I like the title anyways. lol
125. serious9010 (Posts: 254; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)
It's sad one is able to generate such level of emotions for a brand/device. Pretty sad :(
90. MISTER_H (banned) (Posts: 97; Member since: 08 Jul 2012)
Android is for rich people....
A high-end phone comes out every 6 months...
Apple has 1 phone every 14 months...
poor people can-not keep up with Android...
blsht bogus Apple products are for rich people...
What a joke.....
30. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
No one can argue with the Mordecai avatar.
Thumbs up just for that. :P
42. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Yeah this weekend they had a marathon & it was very entertaining. The show is wild. I looked for the perfect avatar.
Mordecai with a bat was priceless. lol
72. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
I watched it too. Love that show. xD
35. Penny (Posts: 1370; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
ardent1 (comment 5) and Veigald (comment 28) are right here. A sample size of 4000 people out of a population close to 300 million would probably give you a margin of error of close to +/- 2% with a confidence level of those results at 95%.
Assuming a perfectly random sample of people, of course.
38. thebest (Posts: 231; Member since: 08 Jul 2012)
actually, apple runs for quality and money, on the other hand google made android because it wanted to make money from a different section of the society, apple wants to give everything for the people who buy apple products and make money from them.....google wants to make money by making android run on more number of phones, apple is like a BMW in phones and tablets, some people want the luxury of the BMW while the others say that they can get all the features of a BMW in a cheaper car so why should they spend more? at the end of the day, its all about your choice so these statistics hardly matter
48. amiaq (Posts: 503; Member since: 30 Jun 2012)
iPhone is more like Toyota Corolla to me. They sold in millions all over the world from a very reliable company.
109. thebest (Posts: 231; Member since: 08 Jul 2012)
no actually, toyota sells more cars than the other companies so its like windows
98. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1693; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Apple is not luxury you stupid tool! You are just like every other stupid iFan who thinks iPhones are only for rich people.
108. thebest (Posts: 231; Member since: 08 Jul 2012)
every stupid android fanboy who comes to this page and reply to me should know that i have 4 android devices at home and this comment is from the nexus 7, so shut up.......if u don't want to here the facts,then you are not supposed top come to this page which is all about apple....the starting price of the iphone 4s is $649 in usa and in many countries like india, england etc etc its over $800, the phone bills of locked iphones are usually 50% higher than the other phones....why do u think the developers love apple? because apple users made them rich,they pay for the apps....android users don't even buy $0.99 apps
104. MISTER_H (banned) (Posts: 97; Member since: 08 Jul 2012)
A §he¿p thumbed nother s¿eep....
110. thebest (Posts: 231; Member since: 08 Jul 2012)
i have 2 apple devices and 4 android devices, so you can't call me an apple fanboy, i am one of the first buyers of the nexus 7
53. darkkjedii (Posts: 14377; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
I think more than 4,042 people will buy the iPhone too
73. andro. (Posts: 1986; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Agreed,alot of these so called surveys come from a very limited size and diversity of people. Anyhow we dont need any stats to realise that armies of ifans will buy the next iPhone no matter what it is even if it does turn out to be an iPhone 4$$. They will also be buying the iPad 'mini' even if they have only bought the 'new' ipad
88. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)
I'm no math major but, curious as to what the other 86% said; probably that, they were NOT planning on buying the next iPhone.
91. MISTER_H (banned) (Posts: 97; Member since: 08 Jul 2012)
Papinyc ur missing all the "i " in ur sentences....
did u forget!
U make me Lmfao when i read ur posts!!"!!
107. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)
i'M not on my iPhone right now. iDitched my DROID dis-CHARGE for a Rezound and iHaven't any regrets. After my iPhone 4S/Music Player, iWouldn't get another iDud (one music player is enough). BTW, didn't realize how much iMissed HTC Sense.
102. roscuthiii (Posts: 1887; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
I think that who the the surveyor is is just as big a question as who the surveyed are. So... who is 451 Research?
Well, they're a for-profit company that provides analysis for their clients through a subscription service. Basically, their results are sponsored and probably by Apple itself. And, just where are their offices located? Well, they would be New York, London, Boston, Washington DC, and San Francisco. Hmm, aren't those all some rather well known iPhone strongholds?
Long story short: Apple paid for these numbers.
103. MISTER_H (banned) (Posts: 97; Member since: 08 Jul 2012)
GALLITOKING AND TACO BOTH ARE BANNED....
13. CharlieAtInfinity (Posts: 253; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)
Indeed Rotten Apple bro, Sad these people don't know the real truth, Apple making billions by selling fragile and product with less features, also not to mention about the article few days ago which showed how high the SAR value of iphone really is... all they care about is having an APPLE iPhone its kinda like a status symbol for them... They dont really care about features... Just ask a ifan to send a photo from the camera album through blue-tooth, they will give you stupid excuse saying that "apple iphone blue-tooth is so advanced that it does not work with other phones" LOL wow how stupid that is!!
16. fanboy (Posts: 38; Member since: 07 Mar 2011)
Just ask a ifan to send a photo from the camera album through blue-tooth, they will give you stupid excuse saying that "apple iphone blue-tooth is so advanced that it does not work with other phones"
18. CharlieAtInfinity (Posts: 253; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)
Someone actually said that to me.. he clicked my photo and i wanted him to send to my phone through bluetooth because i dont want to waste 2-3 MB of my data (already had hit data usage) and he gave me that reply when i asked him why dont just send from blue-tooth of your iPhone 4s because its easier and quicker lol
39. thebest (Posts: 231; Member since: 08 Jul 2012)
jailbroken iphones can send files via bluetooth
68. JessJess (unregistered)
I would say "I can't do that sorry, but I can upload it to the cloud as this is 2012." Its only in your imagination where "iFans" snort out "My phone is too advanced hur-hur-hur" as a response.
75. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Some people just don't like the cloud. When things are in the cloud they are really not yours & are literally up for grabs. If anyone get access to the cloud then they have access to everything in the cloud.
Also if the cloud goes down ever there goes your stuff. Personally I am not down with the cloud. I am an Android user so if anyone had NFC I can just beam the data to them. Or if I like I can use blue-tooth also.
It's good to have all avenues available not what Apple dictates you can have.
Some people have legitimate data caps & use blue-tooth as a way to share without using data. To some people blue-tooth is VERY relevant even in 2012.
49. remtothemax (Posts: 244; Member since: 02 May 2012)
okay, honestly, i have never witnessed a situation in which someone even wanted, muchless needed to transfer a photo over bluetooth
i am not saying that it doesn't happen and there aren't people who would use it
i'm just saying when people say that ios is pathetic and android is so much more powerful
when i ask them what things they can do on android that they can't on ios
while they do come up with good lists, they all strike me as very niche things that most people would not do very often if at all
and for the record, the 4s has outlasted the gs3 in every drop test i have ever seen
android people don't know the truth either
they are just as blind to their tribalism as are the people that purchase apple products just to be like everyone else
15. CharlieAtInfinity (Posts: 253; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)
Uhmm dont know if you have seen any of that Justin's fan's but they want a damn iPhone just because Justin uses one lol as always they ignore all shortcoming's of iphone in this case too..
32. thebest (Posts: 231; Member since: 08 Jul 2012)
just shut up, i agree that you don't like people who buy an iphone but please don't compare them with bieber they are not that bad lolzzzz.......anyways,it has been found that apple users are more generous than android and windows users,they donate more money than the others, maybe thats one of the reason why they pay more money for the phone and also the apps