BlackBerry sues Facebook for patent infringement

BlackBerry sues Facebook for patent infringement
BlackBerry today, filed a lawsuit in Los Angeles accusing social media giant Facebook and its WhatsApp and Instagram apps, of patent infringement. According to the suit, the trio stole features and technology from BlackBerry Messenger. The suit comes after both companies spent "several years in dialogue," according to a BlackBerry spokeswoman by the name of Sarah McKinney.

Facebook Deputy General Counsel Paul Grewal says that the company plans on fighting. Grewal lamented what he called the current state of BlackBerry's messaging business, and added that "having abandoned its efforts to innovate, Blackberry is now looking to tax the innovation of others." The one-time smartphone market leader says that it is trying to collect royalties from companies that need to use BlackBerry's huge collection of 40,000 global patents covering operating systems, networking infrastructure, acoustics, messaging, automotive subsystems, cybersecurity and wireless communications.


Last year Qualcomm paid BlackBerry $940 million after an arbitration panel confirmed that the chip designer owed BlackBerry the money to resolve a battle over royalties. A few months later, BlackBerry collected an undisclosed amount from Florida's Blu Products Inc. in another patent infringement case. And John Chen and crew are still awaiting the outcome of a suit BlackBerry filed in Delaware against Nokia in February 2017, related to Nokia's use of 3G and 4G wireless communication technologies on some of its devices. 

source: Reuters

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45 Comments

1. Veature

Posts: 3; Member since: Mar 06, 2018

Awesome keep them jobs going, get the trolls. I might now buy a Blackberry device albeit Android. Now with all that money, please start updating my passport BB10 so I can use it again. Or release a code that allows us to use other OS.

2. meanestgenius

Posts: 21600; Member since: May 28, 2014

Wishful thinking about BB10. I loved the OS myself, but it is unfortunately done. Best smartphone OS I have ever used.

5. tangbunna

Posts: 463; Member since: Sep 29, 2016

no dev made the app for. end.

8. PenTiltoKet

Posts: 552; Member since: May 18, 2016

I think BB looks like a sore looser in this situation. They lost the battle of messaging service Offer to pay the user to use their product (product promotion). Then, sue the competitor

9. meanestgenius

Posts: 21600; Member since: May 28, 2014

So someone uses their IP without their consent, and BlackBerry sues them after so many years of failed dialogue, and BlackBerry is the loser? That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.

16. Venom

Posts: 3272; Member since: Dec 14, 2017

BB10 is dead. Why else do you think blackberry turned to Android and pointless patent litigation?

3. meanestgenius

Posts: 21600; Member since: May 28, 2014

If Facebook is infringed on BlackBerry patents (which I can definitely see being true), they need to pay up. End of story. Anyone that infringes on anyone’s IP needs to own up to it and pay up.

4. Subie

Posts: 2324; Member since: Aug 01, 2015

I agree MG. Though fighting an American company like facebook on American soil could be a tough uphill battle. Yet they did manage a settlement from Qualcomm even though it was through an "arbitration panel"...

10. meanestgenius

Posts: 21600; Member since: May 28, 2014

Definitely will be an uphill battle, but if BlackBerry has an air tight case, I don’t see them losing this.

17. Venom

Posts: 3272; Member since: Dec 14, 2017

I don't know. This just screams desperation from BlackBerry after it was revealed that the KeyONE didn't sell too well. Blackberry is not the only one who has an IM platform nor were they the first.

24. Subie

Posts: 2324; Member since: Aug 01, 2015

This article is stating that BB is suing because "features and technology from BlackBerry Messenger" were stolen, and not the fact that Facebook has an IM platform. Until we know exactly what Intellectual Property Blackberry is suing over I have no opinion on the legitimacy of this suit. LOL, not that my opinion would make a difference anyway.

30. meanestgenius

Posts: 21600; Member since: May 28, 2014

Boom. Drop the facts, Subie. Love the fact that you do that while a couple of others here just deflect and post false and hating comments about an inanimate object.

41. MDCHO

Posts: 769; Member since: Jul 28, 2016

Subie always produce fact. He not like some people here that automatically assume BlackBerry is in the wrong because they just do not like BlackBerry.

45. meanestgenius

Posts: 21600; Member since: May 28, 2014

Exactly. Totally agree. Why people automatically assume BlackBerry is the wrong without finding out all the facts is beyond me. If they did, they would see that BlackBerry is in the right here.

39. Venom

Posts: 3272; Member since: Dec 14, 2017

Sounds reasonable enough. I wish others were more like you instead of automatically acting like blackberry is in the right without finding out what patent is being violated here.

6. TheOracle1

Posts: 2151; Member since: May 04, 2015

Blackberry were stupid in how they handled their phone and software business especially regarding bbm. But they definitely defined the space long before anyone else. They win this one in my humble opinion.

7. meanestgenius

Posts: 21600; Member since: May 28, 2014

Their software business goes way beyond BBM. Their software is what’s keeping them in the Black and making a profit for them.

13. TheOracle1

Posts: 2151; Member since: May 04, 2015

Correction. I meant their app business. They took too long to make bbm available across all platforms and were crushed by WhatsApp.

11. GreenMan

Posts: 2697; Member since: Nov 09, 2015

Didn't Blackberry use Palm OS gestures in The Blackberry 10 OS? Swipe up gestures to access home screen and multi-tasking menu, to be exact? Of course, the visual implementation is vastly different (With Palm having vastly more pleasing and superior experience) but its the 'function' that counts. Anyhow, In the world of tech, it's an eventuality to run straight into someone's patents! But something tells me that it was a deliberate act from Blackberry. Both Palm and BBX (And iOS, recently) revolve around the same set of gestures and I doubt it was a little something called 'coincidence'! Monkey sees, Monkey does, eh? G'Day!

12. Podrick

Posts: 1284; Member since: Aug 19, 2015

Facebook used Blackberry technology without licensing. Blackberry probably used Palm gestures after licensing. Or maybe Palm didn't patented some of those gestures. Thats why Blackberry didn't get sued. This may or may not be deliberate act from Blackberry. The patent on question maybe something important or some silly ones like Apple's rounded corners. But as long as the law supports it, any company would like to earn as much money as they can.

18. GreenMan

Posts: 2697; Member since: Nov 09, 2015

I quote: Or maybe Palm didn't patented some of those gestures. Thats why Blackberry didn't get sued." End Quote. If they were not patented then why did Apple get sued by Qualcomm for using Palm's gestures?! P.S Qualcomm owns most of Palm's patents. And that brings us to the conclusion: Blackberry found some loopholes in Palm's patents and exploited them! It's legal, sure. But it's hardly what I call 'respectable'! Anyhow, BBX was a nice, unique OS and I wish it was still around. I actually considered The Q5 but was put-off by its squeaky plastic build and The Q10 just felt too expensive for what it was. Felt like a toy compared to my Bold 9790. Thought about going to The Z10 but then I said: "If I'm going to ditch the keyboard, then why not with a more future proof option"? Wise, eh? Ha! Anyhow, went to The Nexus 5 instead and never looked back! G'Day!

31. Podrick

Posts: 1284; Member since: Aug 19, 2015

As MG mentioned below, it turned out Blackberry and Palm had licensing deals. It may been 17 years but the licensing deal must have extended or something. I'm not sure. If Blackberry had found loopholes, sure its not respectable. But that is business. Business isn't respectable. Respect and people's trust is important but for business, money and market is bigger priority than respect. I also wish BBOS was still around and as well as Windows phone. This Android-iOS duopoly is boring.

14. meanestgenius

Posts: 21600; Member since: May 28, 2014

The difference being that BlackBerry and Palm have licensing deals signed with each other, like this one:http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/17/technology/palm-inc-and-blackberry-maker-will-sign-a-licensing-agreement.html And while Palm’s swipe gestures were definitely visually appealing, to say that they were vastly superior to BlackBerry’s is completely subjective. If by “deliberate act from BlackBerry” you mean that they sued them after years of failed negation on FB/WhatsApp’s part, then Yes, it was deliberate. No was should any company be allowed to get away with using another companies IP without their approval. Something like a little research will always save you from looking like an uninformed troll on the internet.

21. GreenMan

Posts: 2697; Member since: Nov 09, 2015

2 likes in just 8min. Fascinating! Anyhow, That post is ancient. Over 17 year old. Qualcomm bought Palm in... 2014?

19. Venom

Posts: 3272; Member since: Dec 14, 2017

Well said GreenMan. I agree.

20. Venom

Posts: 3272; Member since: Dec 14, 2017

This is a shocker. Why would blackberry be going after Facebook? Makes no sense whatsoever.

23. PenTiltoKet

Posts: 552; Member since: May 18, 2016

Because BB is a sore loosserr BB cant accept the fact that WA and others beat BBM. Its BB fault for protecting BB device that make BBM lost. BB trying to make people in Indonesia to use BBM. They pay 1000 user each US$ 75. For those who can get the most new user to BBM with. It seems they campaign only fruitfull for a while, and people were leaving BBM again after the campaign over. So, now. BB going to sue FB.

27. meanestgenius

Posts: 21600; Member since: May 28, 2014

The only “sore loser” here is you and the rest that constantly troll BlackBerry articles like BlackBerry has physically and mentally harmed you, lol. At 63 Million + active users a month in Indonesia, BlackBerry isn’t “trying” to get them to use anything (especially since that would fall under BBM Consumer, which Emtek is in charge of), they use it willingly. In Indonesia, BBM is bigger than WhatsApp. I know the facts hurt you and your 2 other trolling buddies here, but the truth is sometimes painful.

43. MDCHO

Posts: 769; Member since: Jul 28, 2016

Again you speak the truth Meanestgenius. People who think BlackBerry need to do this to stay afloat obviously do not read about BlackBerry last few earnings report, or they would not say thing. BlackBerry making profit for a while now.

40. Venom

Posts: 3272; Member since: Dec 14, 2017

I think that's the only way blackberry can turn a profit is through litigation but that won't work for long.

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