TouchWiz speed test: Does Samsung's interface really lag?
1. fatexo (Posts: 213; Member since: 21 May 2010)
Isn't every other manufacturer launcher slower when compared to stock android launcher..??
6. JMartin22 (Posts: 1889; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)
Exactly, this is just another talking point piece in the form of an "informative editorial"
21. kalloud (Posts: 147; Member since: 21 Jun 2012)
Please PA do this test for the htc One m8 as it seems very very smooth.
25. vincelongman (Posts: 3991; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
PA should add the Nexus 5 & OnePlus One too
It would be funny to see the Nexus 5 & OPO beating out phones worth double their price
30. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
Yeah, they actually will. However, if you replace the Note 4 with the exynos variant, it beats the s**t out of any phone.
62. Niva. (Posts: 417; Member since: 05 Jan 2015)
Yeah, and if you put stock Android on the enyxos variant it will stomp the TW bloated mess. It isn't even so much about frame rates (though that's a big deal) anymore, it's about apps you don't need, coming installed on the device and that you cannot rid yourself of them. Samsung/Touchwiz is the worst when it comes to this cr@p.
64. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
Reportedly, the new TouchWiz comes with like 10 apps preinstalled ( on s6). And only 2-3 of these are Samsung apps. You can download the rest.
40. Mittal (Posts: 493; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)
Yes, first of all kudos to PA folks for putting in the effort and since this is a time consuming activity, i request you to consider doing it for other Manufacturer launchers as well.
7. Awalker (Posts: 1368; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)
Some people say Sense is faster than stock. I've never used a device with Sense.
8. androiphone20 (Posts: 1654; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)
No brother, Motorola's is actually a tad better than stock Android (at least it feels like it) and Motorola did say they were able to make it perform at a consistent 60fps.
If the skin bogs down performance I'd rather they stick with stock Android.
19. Awalker (Posts: 1368; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)
That's when it was running KitKat. The Moto X feels a little slower with Lollipop.
27. androiphone20 (Posts: 1654; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)
Nope, that's Lollipop for you. They said it with Lollipop. Whether that's true you'll have to stick with Motorola's word, but in reality it almost feels like the new Moto X never slows down
47. BlueGoldAce (Posts: 30; Member since: 22 Nov 2012)
I have to agree. I own a nexus 6, and my wife owns a moto x 2014. Both have lollipop...but my nexus 6 has superior hardware.
Despite this, and despite that both look nearly identifcal in the interface...the moto x is consistently faster than my nexus 6. It loads and closes apps faster, animations are quicker, responds quicker to a home screen touch.
Not a major deal, and could be a result of moto's optimizations, or the encryption on the nexus 6. Both are really fast and smooth...but the moto x wins side by side for most operations.
14. vincelongman (Posts: 3991; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
Another problem is the encryption slows down the Nexus 6
The Nexus 6 doesn't have anything to hardware accelerate the encryption, unlike e.g. the iPhones or Nexus 9
Which is why the "old" Nexus 5 is faster than the Nexus 6 (I guess the Nexus 5 isn't really old, its still as fast as the iPhone 6+ and other flagships)
41. Mutation.X (banned) (Posts: 185; Member since: 09 Feb 2015)
The slow crappy Cpu is causing the lag.
44. robocopvn (Posts: 395; Member since: 10 Mar 2010)
not really. Sony's recent launcher (4.4 launcher) is very customize-able and very fast at the same time !
60. datagrab (Posts: 32; Member since: 13 Feb 2015)
nope. My sis has a Note 4 and a is**t 5s and I have Vibe UI and mine's smoother compared to her Bloat 4. Even her 5s was better. K920 has both Vibe UI and Stock Android and both run smooth. Both K920 and Note 4 have 3 GB RAM but Note 4 UI lags most times. Sick back camera though (nights).
65. Rhinoface (Posts: 176; Member since: 05 Dec 2014)
Honestly I feel as though Sony's is faster... My T2 Ultra feels just as smooth, if not smoother than my Droid Turbo.
75. DaveElliott (Posts: 106; Member since: 20 Sep 2012)
Vanilla should be faster. Given the same hardware and core os, why wouldn't something with less be faster?
2. iushnt (Posts: 1484; Member since: 06 Feb 2013)
Touchwiz has never been a problem for me in s5
12. TheGunnyPT (Posts: 252; Member since: 12 Feb 2015)
Exactly my thoughts.
We knew TouchWiz would be slower by default due to be a skin.
But tbh like the article said 5.0 improves TW A LOT!.
Now i'm not defending TW or Stock Android (even though i use stock on my Note 4, I only dislike TW for it's bloatware and sometimes..browser lag)
But at the end of the day my favorite UI is stock android.
48. cncrim (Posts: 791; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)
Of course TW is fine, when you havent try any other brand but Samesung.
52. buccob (Posts: 2495; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)
I have tried a lot, and indeed stock android is smoother and more fluid, BUT I like skins better because of the added features they implement.
In my PERSONAL opinion Sony>Samsung>Stock/HTC/Moto/Asus
I wouln't trade Sony's Small Apps or Samsung's Multi-Window functionality for stock android, even when getting the latest update earlier... Often, manufacturers implement features in older firmware before they get out on Nexus...
For example, my Sony on 4.4.4 has USB DAC and Bluetooth Unlock, and that is only found after Android 5
1080p Recording came first to skinned android than to Stock.
and so on...
69. phichart (Posts: 230; Member since: 03 May 2014)
I think you never used any samsung device... Keep on barking hater!
73. iLovesarcasm (Posts: 447; Member since: 20 Oct 2014)
I use S5 and I find TW useful and efficient. That's why useless people hate Touch Wiz.
3. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 2642; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
I am wondering if you turn on encryption on the Note 4 how these tests would be, since it's on by default on the Nexus 6
10. vincelongman (Posts: 3991; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
ARMv7 805 Note 4 - big performance decrease, like on the Nexus 6 with 805
ARMv8 5433 Note 4 - no difference, like on the Nexus 9 with its ARMv8 K1
4. Retrospective1 (Posts: 45; Member since: 24 Feb 2015)
People just like to use false propaganda about TW based on haters claiming it lags. TW has improved immensely, I use iPhone and Samsung's phone's.
Yes, you don't need to buy the brand......buy the item that satisfies your needs and best suits you.
34. Supraman21 (Posts: 292; Member since: 09 Jun 2010)
Umm no.. Every iteration of touchwiz before the lollipop update has been horrendous. There are no "haters". Touchwiz was factually slow and laggy.
56. willard12 (Posts: 1516; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
Where are these "facts" that you speak of?
58. tedkord (Posts: 9942; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
How about instead I just use my experience with my Kitkat Note 4,which is fast, fluid and snappy.
70. NFSHesham (Posts: 257; Member since: 04 Feb 2014)
How about trying devices other than flagships and see the Lag for yourself?
81. aksara (Posts: 2; Member since: 12 Mar 2015)
have you tried using devices other than flagships yourself? I don't know when people ever talked about non-flagship devices these days :/
5. JMartin22 (Posts: 1889; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)
TW seems to have improved tremendously in performance with the Lollipop update, compared to other OEMs who have shown mostly placebo effects or none at all. The Galaxy S6 with better hardware that's natively optimized for Lollipop should push this already amazing performance from the Note 4, even higher in real life showing and benchmarks.
9. androiphone20 (Posts: 1654; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)
These knee-jerk reactions by apologists just make this news/tests more interesting
11. ciprian.ruse (Posts: 292; Member since: 13 May 2014)
Do this test with Galaxy S5 (G900F) because I own a Galaxy S5 and it's much slower than the Note 4.
13. ciprian.ruse (Posts: 292; Member since: 13 May 2014)
Also Galaxy S5 is Sammy's 2014 normal size flagship. Not all of us prefer phablets...
15. UglyFrank (Posts: 1553; Member since: 23 Jan 2014)
With the S6 around the corner, this test seems unlikely
17. Kumar123 (Posts: 447; Member since: 15 Jan 2015)
Dude, you seems like a very honest person so I'll ask you. How is your S5 behaving after the lollipop update? Some user says its buggy has hell, some samsung fans pointed to the video that was post on xda website which shows how amazingly fast S5 get after the update. I want to hear your experience with S5 after the update
39. FallingAtlas (Posts: 3; Member since: 30 Sep 2014)
Much faster than before lollipop but the first few hours with lollipop made it burn through battery and loads were pretty slow, almost like it was getting used to it
51. ciprian.ruse (Posts: 292; Member since: 13 May 2014)
In terms of smoothness I don't feel any difference if I use it for some days without restart. As for lollipop it seems unpolished and I see this in the battery life because sometimes it drains normally and sometimes much faster and also sometimes the drawer redraws due to memory leak I think.
16. wando77 (Posts: 796; Member since: 23 Aug 2012)
Did you disable s voice on the note 4 as doing so massively speeds up the return to home screen from apps
22. Chris.P (Posts: 521; Member since: 27 Jun 2013)
I considered it, but decided against it. The reality is that a very, very tiny proportion of the entire user base actually knows about this trick, so it's almost irrelevant.
26. vincelongman (Posts: 3991; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
Most viewers of this site would
I actually do know many Samsung/Apple users who disable the S Voice/Accessibility Shortcut (the triple click thing)
But I guess you're right since those aren't "average consumers" since many of them root/jailbreak
29. LAKAME_MAN (Posts: 46; Member since: 31 Jan 2013)
That would be true, but the fact that having S Voice enabled makes returning back to home slow isn't because there isn't enough optimization, but because it's actually waiting for another tap. Personally I'd be interested to see how it does if it's disabled.
32. wando77 (Posts: 796; Member since: 23 Aug 2012)
Then you're comparing intentional lag in that case. Samsung has that delay to allow for you pressing the button again to open the s voice app
35. mythen (Posts: 5; Member since: 26 Feb 2015)
I absolutely agree. Significant portion of the return to homescreen time is actually the double tap detection. And since I'm not aware that Nexus 6 has that functionality, it is not a fair test.
36. Chris.P (Posts: 521; Member since: 27 Jun 2013)
This isn't about how much faster you can make TouchWiz with the needed optimizations and knowledge. It's about how well it compares to stock Android out of the box – you know, the way 99% of the user base will actually use the phone like.
38. mythen (Posts: 5; Member since: 26 Feb 2015)
Well, the 99% of user base is disputable, there are plenty people doing it with Siri and S Voice, but I get your point. It would still be nice to see the real performance(double tap disabled) vs real world(double tap enabled), so we could see the real extent of the optimization Samsung had put in.
53. Chris.P (Posts: 521; Member since: 27 Jun 2013)
I'd like nothing more than to be able to use this same method down the road, including to test third-party launchers, but the reality is that it's an extremely tasking process, especially if you're trying to keep all variables as close to identical as possible. The two measly tables that you're looking at underscore that fact greatly, as the setup phase alone took a dozen or so work hours to prep.
So you have to define the scope, and as much as I'm curious what would happen if I did this or that, in the end I have to keep true to the criteria I set before getting into this. In this case that meant satisfying one rule only -- try to approximate the average user's usage of TouchWiz. Since the average user doesn't turn off S Voice, nor does he go through the trouble of disabling encryption on the Nexus 6, that's also why these two were only considered and then decided against.
It's a long story, really, but that's the gist of it.
50. mariobonofiglio (Posts: 1; Member since: 26 Feb 2015)
IMHO you are wrong! Disable S-Voice feature is not an optimization, is a choose! If I want the S-Voice I activate it on double tap. Is not a lag in daily use. Nexus has not this feature. If exists some feature for Nexus slowing it down in operation that the Samsung can do more quickly, is it the same? I think not!
18. TheHossein (Posts: 93; Member since: 27 Sep 2014)
I Love Stock Android , I Wish You Compare Other Phones , Too
20. Predator1701 (Posts: 108; Member since: 28 Oct 2014)
Offcourse that Touchwiz in Note 4 is going to perform well it's got top specs,but try touchwiz on a lower end model and you will see a massive difference while stock android is smooth on almost all devices.
23. Laipi (Posts: 5; Member since: 17 Sep 2014)
Dear Phonearena, please, do this test on Nexus 5 Lollipop and proof it whether it's really lag. I felt that its FPS is so low!
31. vincelongman (Posts: 3991; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
That's because of the memory leak in stock Lollipop
After a fresh boot the Nexus 5 is faster with Lollipop than KitKat
Just reboot every 2-3 days until 5.1 is here
24. mixedfish (Posts: 1144; Member since: 17 Nov 2013)
It's not the frame drops that makes TW unbearable, it's the numerous useless options they give that makes it unintuitive or 'bloat' as some describe it as. I'm pretty adaptive with tech so I don't really mind, but what struck me as bizarre was the inclusion of all these options like s-beam, auto-rotate, two types of battery saving modes etc all upon pulling the notifications tab down, yet there is no inclusion of aeroplane mode or a short cut to settings.
If im bewildered by this, you can see why many have switched to iPhone, TW isn't a good poster boy for Android yet the sad truth is the casual smartphone user will see it as exactly that.