Samsung's Nexus Prime could be Google's first Ice Cream Sandwich phone
Unlike previous launches of new Android OS builds which were usually introduced to the public through one device from one manufacturer and one carrier (think Android 2.0 introduced on the Motorola DROID through Verizon), BGR's source says that with Android 4.0, Google could be looking to introduce the new build to the public through multiple OEMs and multiple carriers-each with its own flagship Android 4.0 device, and all launched at the same time. Anyone hungry now for an Ice Cream Sandwich?
1. alec (unregistered)
super amoled hd display sounds so awesome
please come to verizon
6. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)
Lol a Pure Android device on Verizon with no bloatware? You have a better chance of seeing the worst NFL team winning the super bowl.
9. AndroidOS (Posts: 100; Member since: 21 Jun 2011)
Or mod the phone and remove bloatware yourself.
11. alec (unregistered)
a phone with no bloatware on verizon you mean like the iphone 4
maybe verizon will let google do there thing with this phone like they let apple do with the iphone
33. Scribed3d (Posts: 28; Member since: 08 Aug 2010)
Actually, the closest pure-stock android phone on VZW is the Xperia Play. Nice, plain, pure Gingerbread. There is a little bloatware, but almost nothing compared to what is on their other devices.
I find it ironic that the device with the most specialized design has the purest of rendering.
39. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)
Apple is like a huge money magnet. Verizon saw how much money Apple made AT&T and with all the success Apple has, of course they'd be able to call the terms here.
Besides, Android is Open Sourced which means -BLOATWARE magnent
32. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3394; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
No the worst has to be the Detroit Lions. Hands down. lol
41. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
lol.. worse than the jags? oh see now we gots a fight!! whose worse!?! :)
45. snowgator (Posts: 3015; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Super-EVO - have you seen the D-Line they have built in Detroit? QB's in their division are hoping the lock out stays on. That is turning into a good team. Makes since, since 2012 is supposed to be the end of the world.
43. snowgator (Posts: 3015; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Until they stop firing coaches every other year, stop rotating players like a mery-go-round, and quite bragging about how good they were 20 or 30 years ago, the Raiders wear the crown for worse team in the NFL. Gone from being feared to being a punchline of a bad grid-iron joke.
54. Go, Cowboys! (unregistered)
Bills Bills Bills have to be the worst!
Buffalo, that is.
62. lemenade (Posts: 31; Member since: 28 Jul 2011)
I am from that area and even I agree with you.
2. bossmt_2 (Posts: 401; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)
I hope Verizon's doesn't have bloatware, like Bing. I don't care about VZ nav or Madden but when you make it so pressing the search uses Bing, that's disappointing. I bought android for google verizon. You're only hurting your own sales.
25. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
a Nexus with Bing? reeeally? would that happen?
31. nb2six (Posts: 298; Member since: 27 Apr 2011)
division by zero and the end of the world as we know it...
3. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i still dont understand why they dont just have one phone with everyone's frequencies in it. its not like its that hard to have a world phone. If a carrier doesnt want it, third parties like best buy could sell it for them. VZW has an open initiative that they could take advantage of, and we know Tmobile and Sprint will take it.. which means ATT will take it lest they be left out.
so.. super amoled HD is the NEXT iteration of super amoled.. after +? lol. almost makes me want to hold out.. even longer! lol.
8. Quang Le (unregistered)
Hmmm, Carrier's subsidy, ever heard of it?
15. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
they could still do a carrier subsidy through either the carrier,indirects, or through best buy. Making it a world phone doesnt stop that. The next iphone is supposed to be this way, and its not like VZW and Sprint dont both carry dual cdma/gsm phones as it is.
19. box (unregistered)
Various carriers use different styles of phones. AT&T & T-Mobile (and most global carriers, like O2, Vodafone, Rogers, Nokia-Siemens, etc) use GSM/UMTS, which use SIM cards. Verizon, Sprint, U.S. Cellualr, Virgin, Boost, StraightTalk, etc use CDMA, which is an older, slower technology that isn't worldwide, and which in order to be a global phone, require a separate SIM slot along with the CDMA internal chip to use international GSM networks, such as the Droid Pro world phone. Yes, some CDMA phones can be used internationally where there is a CDMA network, but those are much less common, and getting less so with the onset of LTE and LTE-Advanced. Hence, in order for a manufacturer to make one model of phone to work on ALL networks, would require more hardware, more programming, and more resources, which means the phone cost would go up, and sales would plummet except for those that require the feature of all cell bands available. Is the system perfect? No. Does it work for the existing infrastructure and phone OEM and carrier relationships? Yes, for now. I think in a decade when CDMA is more or less dead, we'll be able to buy LTE/LTE-Advanced phones that will work with any carrier, which might have the older tech added in for lower-coverage areas or places that don't have LTE as developed, but will be eventually phased out, just like other outdated technology. Who knows, maybe the CDMA bands will be able to be freed up for something better in the future, but for now, GSM/UMTS and LTE are the way of the future, and why places like Europe and Asia do allow for customers to buy one phone to use on any network
30. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
umm.. no not really. the costs would go down as there would only be one factory assembly line instead of 2 or 3 or more for different additions. Radios dont cost that much. Definately less than the cost of machinery, labor, and upkeep.
GSM and CDMA are a near 50/50 split in the world, so that old innacurate saying that CDMA isnt a world thing is wrong, its just more easily locked down per carrier.
The biggest reason that a carrier doesnt want a true world phone is that it gives people no reason to worry about contracts. If you could buy a subsidised world phone for 200 instead of the 500+ full retail, then pay a $200 ETF and then bounce carriers as often as you wanted, would you? I sure woud.. why not. The carrier loses money and has higher churn.. and you get freedom from their rules.. why would they want that?!
35. Scribed3d (Posts: 28; Member since: 08 Aug 2010)
Actually, as far as consumer, real world implementation is concerned, CDMA is a newer and more advanced technology than GSM. 1xRTT allowed for more channels per carrier frequency than its GSM cousin did. GSM is still, at its heart, a TDMA based technology. No matter how fast the intervals are, time division multiplexing cannot compete with code division.
This is why, after EDGE, GSM went with a cdma based system in UMTS and its subsequent evolutions in HPSA. In fact, disreguarding LTE, CDMA champion QUalcomm had a path for EVDO similar to that of HSPA. With rev B, (some called it Rev N... the N meaning how many carriers you wanted to stack) you coud stack frequency channels much like what is done with WCDMA (the heart of UMTS, etc). Each EVDO channel is 1.25 MHz in size where WCDMA is 5MHz channel. Stacking 4 EVDO channels would give similar performance to 14mbps HSPA. However, further development of both Rev b and Rev C (later known UMB) was dropped when the vast majority of the world's carriers decided on LTE and WiMax as their 4G of choice.
42. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
u just made my head explode..
wow.. thats pretty hard.. good job. :)
46. snowgator (Posts: 3015; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
I would be in favor of any tech that allows for @box last line of his comment: Being able to buy ANY device and use it on ANY network. I would LOVE to snag a HTC Sensation and use it where I want.....
13. HAHA (unregistered)
Haha good one. Im waiting for the HTC Holiday on AT&T.
But this sounds nice....i just dont want too wait too long. I might just save up and buy this off-contract.
20. AndroidOS (Posts: 100; Member since: 21 Jun 2011)
I'm waiting for this or the SGS2 (Attain).
I can see the Attain coming before school starts, but this phone.....ehhhhhh
School starts for me August 24th.
23. koutrelakos (Posts: 30; Member since: 17 Mar 2010)
School starts on the 27th for me. I'm on Verizon and I, too, want the SGSII (Function for VZW).
24. AndroidOS (Posts: 100; Member since: 21 Jun 2011)
They need to focus on releasing it to the U.S. already. .__.
5. ilia1986 (unregistered)
I think this is finally the salvation that Android will have when it comes to things like screen resolution and pixel density.
10. JustAthought (unregistered)
This explains why we have seen so many different forms of the next Nexus device. All the carriers do need one. I wish it came out sooner because I am up for an upgrade and my OG droid is down for the count. I think this may the be the start of my journey into root and flashing roms, or at least buying a phone off contract. I think this is a great idea though. Let each big launch of Android have a device on all carriers at the same time, and push the manufactures to do things like they have done with the Android tablets. I am greatly looking forward to the future. I want to get on the upgrade cylce for the Nexus device on Verizon. Verizon please pull it together on the phone front. We reached a deal on the pricing front to keep me from switching to Sprint. So Verizon gets another two years from me, but if this lack of strong devices keeps up and Sprint quickly roles out the LTE. I will switch and never look back.
21. AndroidOS (Posts: 100; Member since: 21 Jun 2011)
AT&T also needs to step up in their phone game.
The latest high quality phone for us is the HD7s and the nearest phone coming is the stupid ChaCha.
26. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
just do a warranty replacement on your Droid and get a different phone. that's how i tide over between upgrades.
12. WindOnTree (unregistered)
If Nexus wants to truly be relevant. They should come out with a world phone cdma/gsm with the latest display, fastest chip, most recent features, etc available.at the time of release.
17. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
isnt that exactly what a nexus does besides the world phone part?
The original nexus was the first snapdragon, had a large display for its day and was a showcase of android
the nexusS while not using anything new was still using the best chipset (hummingbird) and the best screen (super amoled) availible.
27. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
the Hummingbird processor was definitely NOT the best processor out of the bunch from that time. why do you think Samsung would switch to Texas Instruments if that was the case?
44. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
The hummingbird is the fastest single core chipset there was. Dual core phones were not out yet. The Ti OMAP is a strong set, but not stronger than the hummingbird.
Samsung hasnt "switched" to TI. If your talking about the split between Galaxy2's being exynos or OMAP, thats probably more of a manufacturing thing sinnce they have to give so many hummingbird and eyxnos (a4 and a5) processors to Apple as well as their main supplier.
50. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
you have a Vibrant right? do benchmarks. you'll see phones with TI processors being the best if not among the best scoring devices.
don't be such a smart ass remixfa, you know what i mean. if Samsung really is making this Nexus then they'd do well to use an OMAP (especially if they can get one clocked with a few more MHz) or an Exynos for the time being. who says the A5 is an Exynos anyway?
51. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
A4 is hummingbird, A5 is a dual core exynos. If you can find a pic of their archetectures, its the exact same chip, rebranded. Samsung and apple have been using the same chips the entire time.
That was something I posted on another thread today. Thats my vibrant running 2.3.4 with a little overclock to 1.54ghz. :)
A dual core snapdragon cant touch that. An OC'd Tegra2 can tap that.. A exynos comes like that out of the box though, so im dying to see what it does optimized and OCed.
I have no problem with an OMAP... dont get me wrong. Its my second chioce after an Exynos. Exynos is king of the dual core hill though.
The real question i want to see answered is who is gonna be king of the quad core. If Nvidia can have that much of a power jump between the Tegra2 and the Tegra3 "Kal-El", im salivating at what Sammy could possibly cook up.
52. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Oh, also, be weary of benchmarks. Most of the single core chips whip the hummingbird in I/O scores but lose direly when it comes to graphix. You have to look at the total breakdown and individual category if each are close.
If you look at a full quadrant that breaks it down look at the difference between a snapdragon and a hummingbird. nearly half or more of the snap's score is i/O read speeds, while the HB scores much lower in I/O (which means next to nothing in real world), it whips it like it was standing still in every other category.
A dual core SD is about as powerful as an optimized HB.
57. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
hm, i did not know that. o:
wait..so you're comparing an overclocked Hummingbird..to factory set processors in terms of which is better? you need to understand that the same difference still stands after i go and overclock an OMAP3620, it's just on a different magnitude.
yeah, i agree, Samsung has made an insanely powerful dual-core chip set.
i don't even know, it's kind of early for that kind of speculation i'll say.
yeah, i'm aware the Galaxy S gets pretty good frame rates from it's GPU but even in real world use i can tell my Droid 2 (OMAP3620) executes commands quicker than my best friend's sister's Vibrant. scores are scores.
58. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
no no... you misunderstand me. i said optimized, not overclocked. Yea, my picture is one that is overclocked, just because i was messing with it. :)
Optimized as in not on samsungs crap ass RFS file system (which only samsung still uses) which is the main drag on a galaxyS phone. When you convert the file system to EXT4 which is what gingerbread (and every one else) uses, it nearly double's its scores across the board. without any overclocking it takes its quadrants from like 950 to 1600.
And if you actually compare that to a dual core snapdragon with a full break down of every item, they are nearly the same... but it still has the same problem. Snapdragons score high on I/O tests and lower on graphix. The dual core snapdragon still doesnt perform as well on 3D tests like Nenamark as an optimized Hummingbird. Ive done them side by side at my store.
And lordy lordy if i OC my phone... well, you saw the pic.. lol. The score actually would have been higher exept there is the 65fps cap on the chipset.. it was bouncing that cap in almost every 3d test.
16. Black87 (unregistered)
i think it's LG..
LG Optimus Prime is the next google nexus not samsung again..
28. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
*LG Nexus Prime
yeah, it's possible. i hope it's someone else this time around too. o:
18. Aayu (unregistered)
The Retina Hybrid display shall put that Super Amoled HD display to shame.
49. BlackSirius16 (Posts: 84; Member since: 21 May 2010)
with what? it's incredible 3.5 inch size? Or it's lessor resolution?
29. Rizkip (unregistered)
I thought LG would build the next nexus phone called LG Optimus Prime. LOL.
34. sniperace (Posts: 95; Member since: 20 Aug 2009)
Road map leaked the other day for Sprint spoke of this phone. The Samsung Full Touch 4G+ ice cream sandwich = Nexus Prime. Class dismissed!
37. skymitch89 (Posts: 925; Member since: 05 Nov 2010)
Are they sure that it's going to be Android 4.0? I would think that it'd be more like 3.5.
47. MICKEL (unregistered)
I would buy this phone just for its name!!! samsung nexus prime!!! AMAZING!!
48. gallitoking (Posts: 4571; Member since: 17 May 2011)
I am sorry cannot stop laughing at the LG Optimus Prime name...LOL with android..lol...
53. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i actually cant believe someone hasnt paid to use the name. Why not.. we already have the LG optimus and the Asus transformer pad.. lol
55. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 5173; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
PLEASE COME TO AT&T!! AT&T IS THE ONLY carrier that doesn't have a NEXUS S on it's line up. u can only buy it unlocked. while every body else gets their own NEXUS S which sucks for me and AT&T users
56. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 5173; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
Ice Cream TRANSFORM N ROLL OUT!
59. andro (unregistered)
Steve Jobs just crapped his pants when he heard this news!! Apple is seriously falling behind and convince its islaves that this changes nothing again again again