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Qualcomm: Snapdragon 810 won't power "a large customer's flagship device" - is that the Galaxy S6?

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Qualcomm: Snapdragon 810 won't power
Qualcomm today announced its financial results for the first quarter of fiscal 2015, posting revenue of $7.1 billion and a operating income of $2.1 billion. All's well here, but the chipmaker also said that it had lowered its outlook for the second half of fiscal 2015. One of the reasons for this is the "expectation that our Snapdragon 810 processor will not be in the upcoming design cycle of a large customer's flagship device."

Qualcomm doesn't provide further details on the issue, but we recently heard that Samsung would drop the Snapdragon 810 from its upcoming Galaxy S6 flagship - not because the 810 overheats, but simply because Samsung seemingly wants the new handset to be exclusively powered by its own octa-core, 14nm Exynos 7420 processor. Today's announcement from Qualcomm can probably be seen as a confirmation: the Snapdragon 810 and the Galaxy S6 won't roll together.

Qualcomm's Snapdragon 810 is already being used by LG (in its G Flex 2) and Xiaomi (in its Mi Note Pro). Other big smartphone makers will almost surely also rely on the 810 in the near future, though it's unlikely that any of them will order as many chipsets as Samsung would have done for its S6 (which, of course, is expected to reach millions of units sold in no time).

The good news, if we may put it this way, is that many Samsung fans don't seem to care about the fact that the S6 won't use Qualcomm's processor.

source: Qualcomm

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posted on 28 Jan 2015, 16:24 27

1. grahaman27 (Posts: 361; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)


GOOD! 14nm heterogeneous 8 core sounds like innovation to me! screw snapdraggin

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 16:30 19

2. karim77 (Posts: 70; Member since: 10 Dec 2012)


Qualcomm is surely pissed of but they will never admit it

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 17:31

9. nimd4 (Posts: 9; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)


What makes you say that, just because they will potentially lose-out on billions of dollars in profit next year.

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 16:32 21

3. tango_charlie (Posts: 243; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)


As long as the phone preforms decent in real life tasks (browsing, gaming..) it can be powered by Granny Smith home-made soc as well.

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 16:49

7. rd_nest (Posts: 1589; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


^^ True

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 16:33 1

4. realjjj (Posts: 361; Member since: 28 Jan 2014)


Ofc it's Samsung, nobody else has a chip alternative.
Nvidia doesn't get into phones , Mediatek has 1 high end chip but not high end enough , Inetl is not there yet, Marvell isn't playing in the high end now.
So everybody besides Samsung can't do jack no matter how SD810 performs ,they don't want to buy from from Samsung so they are stuck with Qualcomm. Now maybe they learn their lesson and make sure to diversify their suppliers inthe future.

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 22:49

43. Niva. (Posts: 418; Member since: 05 Jan 2015)


Nvidia will look to put a modem on the followup to the x1. By then it will be a battle with intel too.

posted on 29 Jan 2015, 02:44

50. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1514; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)


Thre are loads of alternatives, what there aren't are BETTER alternatives. That's what points to Samsung, they are the only ones with a SoC that performs better than the 810 (at least in early benchmarks).
And they would love to have more suppliers, it's just that is nearl impossible... if one SoC manufacterer manages to create a better SoC than anyone it will become the "the facto" monipolistic provider. Happened to Intel in the PC, so it did with Qualcomm in the smartphones. I'm not sure there is a solution for that.

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 16:34 10

5. leotrim (Posts: 21; Member since: 01 Oct 2014)


Nice Job Samsung / Exynos 7420 14nm 8 cores.......

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 17:31 2

10. MySchizoBuddy (Posts: 147; Member since: 23 Aug 2011)


these are dual quad cores. only one set of quad cores runs at a time. All 8 cores never run at the same time.

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 17:42 5

13. Macready (Posts: 827; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)


Not true, the chip supports HMP, using all 8 cores at the same time.
See the official announcement (or the 5433 prior to it).

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 18:02 2

16. j2001m (Posts: 2784; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


100% all 8 cores at the same time, that's why it's listed in geekbenth and does big time damage, the 810 is real crap anyways going by any geekbenth listing, all 810 phones will be crap or will soon get an update

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 19:14 2

30. hung2900 (Posts: 948; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)


It's true 8-core since Galaxy S5

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 16:36 7

6. mostafawael.1998 (Posts: 240; Member since: 01 Oct 2014)


Well this is a smart move from Sammy
exynos 14 nm SoC is a great headstart and is far much better than the 20 nm Snapdragon
but I hope that they have no production delays, and that they can produce many exynos chips, as one of the reasons that Samsung made a mix between Qualcomm and its chips is that Samsung wasn'tt capable of producing the Exynos chips is massive amounts
Let's wait and see the actual annoumcement
I am really more than excited for the galaxy S6 (edge)

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 18:04

17. j2001m (Posts: 2784; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


They not making any crap a8 or a8x and they opened new plants so they easy have room

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 17:30 1

8. sorcio46 (Posts: 435; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)


I will jump this generation if Qualcomm will not be it, crappy closed source Exynos won't open my wallet.

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 17:33

11. nimd4 (Posts: 9; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)


Interesting, tnx. Proprietary technology, in any shape-or-form is always something to -surely- avoid. =)

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 18:05 7

19. j2001m (Posts: 2784; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


There will be more roms for the s6 than all the other 810 phones added up

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 19:19

31. wargreymon (Posts: 671; Member since: 05 Nov 2013)


Quality >> quantity. I'll rather take 1 very stable rom over 20 bugged ones

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 20:11

35. j2001m (Posts: 2784; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


I hope they sort out the 810 problems for you, you going to need them

posted on 29 Jan 2015, 00:25

46. wargreymon (Posts: 671; Member since: 05 Nov 2013)


The rumors that there is no proof for? And please don't link any article about a lagging demo unit being constantly pushed at 100% brightness in a warm room.

posted on 29 Jan 2015, 02:54

51. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1514; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)


There is not HARD proof, but the suspiction have started to pile up that the overheating issues in the 810 are more than just rumors.

Anandtech: "these demo phones were running in poor conditions for benchmarks, as maximum brightness was constantly reduced due to thermal throttling."

And the geekbench scores shows that 810 has lower scores than the Exynos5433 (forget the 7420 that is in a better fab node):
LG Flex 2:http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1708160
Note 4 (Exynos):http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1714607

Add to that the preliminary scores for the 7420 and you see why people are not dissapointed of not getting the Snapdragon 810 in the Samsung Galaxy S6

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 17:34 1

12. jaytai0106 (Posts: 1888; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)


Time to buy their stock in the second half of 2015 when we see it dips.

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 17:42 2

14. NuRay (Posts: 13; Member since: 04 Jan 2015)


It seems like 810 is a rushed product. Major shift to 64bit Socs must have suprised them at late 2013. If they had foreseen it they would have made 810 with Krait cores (or next generation custom ARM chip). I guess they'll try to make a come back with 820.

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 18:44

27. bur60 (Posts: 831; Member since: 07 Jul 2014)


You could say that, but Qualcomm was busy with 64 bit chips way before Android 64bit was announced, but yea 810 seems rushed

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 18:01

15. Derekjeter (Posts: 808; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


Ok so....what's the real difference between the 810 and Exynos? Seriously how much more can one out shine the other?

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 18:07

20. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8271; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


USA carrier compatibility is one. The SD does better with graphics as well, less battery drain too.

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 18:31

25. medicci37 (Posts: 1271; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)


No way! Graphics on the Exynos will be better than snapdragon because the shrink in die size compared to snapdragon. Also Samsung uses unmodified arm Mali graphics cores

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 19:21

32. wargreymon (Posts: 671; Member since: 05 Nov 2013)


"Should be". We don't know the setup for the gpu that it will use.

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 20:13

37. j2001m (Posts: 2784; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


Samsung wil have better modem then the sd810, no joke, plus less battery use

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 18:09

21. j2001m (Posts: 2784; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


Think sd 600 and 800 it's that type of an upgrade if not more, may be like going from 600 to 805 the 810 is very crap to they redesign it

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 22:18

39. medtxa (Posts: 1115; Member since: 02 Jun 2014)


note 4 with old exynos and QHD beat lg flex 2 with hd screen, how is that?

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 18:04

18. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8271; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


My concern would be compatibility with USA carriers. That was the main reason Samsung was force to us the SD.

Benchmarks have shown the Exynos beat the SD accept in graphics. So Sammy would need to step it up as far as numbers. But side by side I saw hardly any significant difference in the SD vs Exynos in games play.

I checked out the Alpha and without the carrier bloat the phone was quite zippy. Of course with a display this likely added to the experience of speed.

I think this is a good move. For one Samsung producing it's own chip could be cheaper than buying. This could result in a lower price point. Unlike one oem which raised their phone price and added nothing to take advantage of high expected sales.

If Sammie can make the GPU side of their SoC outperform the SD it will prove to awesome move.

In the past though, the Exynos would kill the Barrett because it worked harder on US bands because of terrible compatibility. Of they have fixed this issue that would be awesome.

Also Samsung did likely drop the SD DUE too overheating. Samsung tends to clock chips high, if the SD is gonna burn or potentially catch on fire then what's the point. Look at the MI Note Pro, it's clocked at 1.51.5ghz while the present sd805 is clocked at 1.7 in the Note 4. I am sure Sammie will clock the Exynos at 2.9 at least.

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 18:13

22. j2001m (Posts: 2784; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


Just to clear thing up some what the 7420 will be clocked at about 2.1 as its 14nm they can easy add the gpu to use the 10 or 16 core ver and this will kill the sd if they do, but the note 4 7410 was said to be the best gpu on real life testing with the lower 8 cores gpu you also got dd4 support with the 7420

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 18:46

28. bur60 (Posts: 831; Member since: 07 Jul 2014)


Sammy wont drop the price of the s6. Using own soc means more money for sammy. This is how all big companies work (sadly)

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 22:26

40. medtxa (Posts: 1115; Member since: 02 Jun 2014)


sd810 is problem because it is actually beaten by Qualcomm sd805 itself.

posted on 29 Jan 2015, 01:11

48. Ashoaib (Posts: 3229; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)


As per my experience exynos note 4 is draining the battery quicker than sd805

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 18:19

23. medicci37 (Posts: 1271; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)


Awesome news! I've been looking forward to 14nm for a long time. This processor will be half the size of the 1 in my 2014 M8

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 18:29

24. seven7dust (unregistered)


honestly ever since the snapdragon 800 everything is fast enough there's been virtually no difference between these chipsets in real world use.

all games run even on hardware lower than s800 , everything is smooth enough
any increase has diminishing returns kinda like QuadHD screens

all these processors and GPUs are marketing hype thats all, why care so much about benchmarks

it's all about optimizing the software properly like for e.g.-: HTC sense feels faster than touchwiz , which has those annoying touchwiz stutters still, and it's not cause of the hardware.

Nexus 5 is still faster in real world use than many 805 devices , it's more about software optimizations now

what app or what game really needs more than a s800 ? I'm wondering can't think of any.

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 18:43

26. j2001m (Posts: 2784; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


Ok also the Samsung CPUs always have the best sound, we are now also doing 64bit CPUs and battrery and how good they use it, samsungs will be the best, also as per the above post sd was used to to no included lte modem, they now been sorted and the usa will be coved, no problems

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 19:27 1

33. wargreymon (Posts: 671; Member since: 05 Nov 2013)


"Hey guys, I know nothing about SoCs, performance or efficiency, but I think we should stop developing it anyways."

There, I summed up your post.

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 22:31 1

41. Dread (Posts: 17; Member since: 25 Jun 2014)


What game?
Asphalt 8 on S800 phone with only FHD screen only managed to reach 29FPS, Still playable but not good enough
Asphalt 8 on Exynos 7410 can reach 55FPS on QHD screen

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 18:50

29. Tziggy14 (Posts: 439; Member since: 02 Sep 2014)


It's time for Intel and NVIDIA to take advantage. Even Exynos can be used in Samsung's own phones for cheapen the prices.

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 19:34 1

34. jove39 (Posts: 1811; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


If Qualcomm offer S805 on 20nm...I'd prefer it over S810. There is no scenario in mobile world that summons 8 CPU cores. Instead of improving core performance everyone is going crazy with 8 cores.
Hail nvidia & apple for Denver & Cyclone CPU cores.

And I don't care if Samsung dumps Qualcomm.

posted on 29 Jan 2015, 02:58

52. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1514; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)


Personally I'll be skipping any SoC on 20nm and wait for 14/16nm FinFet for my next phone, it's clear that the 20nm is a stopgap node that will never fully mature.

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 20:13

36. thegeneral7010 (Posts: 318; Member since: 10 Dec 2014)


i like when samsung use their own exynos they fit and adopt it better with their devices exynos cameback to rule the game since galaxy alpha i hope if they keep on that.

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 20:38

38. skymitch89 (Posts: 1291; Member since: 05 Nov 2010)


"Project zero" is supposedly a complete redesign for the Galaxy line of devices, so I would naturally assume that that would include an "in house made" processor (aka an Exynos). I think that it's about time that Samsung goes back to using its Exynos processors in ALL of its devices. If I'm correct, Samsungs last "flagship" device in the US to have an Exynos processor was a few of the US variants of Galaxy S2 (the Epic Touch 4G is one).

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 23:15

44. kanagadeepan (Posts: 903; Member since: 24 Jan 2012)


So NO DEVELOPER support for Galaxy S6, right???

posted on 29 Jan 2015, 01:00

47. Iodine (Posts: 1302; Member since: 19 Jun 2014)


"...powered by its own octa-core, 14nm Exynos 7420 processor."

What I know the exynos 7 is rebranded exynos from note 4, and with enabled 64-bit mode.

Samsung states that their exynos 7 is made at 20nm node.

What I am trying to say that either it's not 14nm or it's not exynos 7 octa, but a different new chip.

posted on 29 Jan 2015, 01:36 1

49. JumpinJackROMFlash (Posts: 448; Member since: 10 Dec 2014)


Yeah, it's obvious you don't know s**t what you're talking about. The 7420 is a 14nm completely new design.

posted on 29 Jan 2015, 03:04

53. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1514; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)


What JunpinJack is trying to say in such an unpolite way is:
Exynos 5433 == Exynos 7 Octa (20nm HKMG)
Exynos 7420 == God knows what name (14nm FinFet)

I was really skeptical that 7420 even existed, but the rumors are piling up in such an amount that it's difficult to ignore, there are even geekbench scores for it (and quite impressive ones):
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1778702

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