French court to rule on Samsung’s request to ban the iPhone 4S on December 8th
An injunction would prevent Apple from selling phone until the court could decide on the validity of Samsung’s claims, at which time either Apple would be cleared, or a permanent ban would be placed. A permanent ban could be overcome by either modification of the product to avoid use of the offending patents, or by securing a license agreement with Samsung for the patents in question.
Samsung is also facing several lawsuits by Apple, and presumably wants to be able to negotiate a cross-licensing agreement that would produce a truce in their legal affairs. A preliminary injunction can provide extra leverage in such negotiations, although a company that thinks it can win or avoid the patents may take the initial sales hit. Samsung recently modified its Galaxy Tab 10.1 to comply with a ruling by a German court.
Apple would not be able to easily modify the iPhone 4S, as the patents in question are necessary for 3G connectivity. For this reason, Apple has been invoking a FRAND defense against Samsung; FRAND laws require that companies with patents that enable industry standards must make their patents available to a company at a reasonable cost.
According to patent law observer Florian Mueller the French court appears sympathetic to Apple’s FRAND claims, so he believes Apple has a better than even chance of avoiding an injunction in France.
source: FOSS Patents via electronista
1. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
this will either be the beginning of a bunch of falling dominos for apple's defence, or a bolster to it.
3. tacohunter (Posts: 408; Member since: 06 Nov 2011)
Nah. Not interested in sued this, sued that.
6. tacohunter (Posts: 408; Member since: 06 Nov 2011)
Ah yes you are. Are you one of the people that loves samsung tries to ban iphone and hates when apple does it?
Not interested in this childlish competition.
12. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
No, I just didn't understand what you were saying.
The reason people hate that Apple is suing is because they started all of this product-ban nonsense.
I'm not even going to bother going into details though because you won't listen to anything I have to say.
Bottom line is, Apple started this s**t and they deserve whatever lawsuits anyone else decides to throw at them.
BTW when people reply saying that Apple is not the first company to have patent lawsuits, I already know that. But they are the first company (at least in recent history) who has no interest in receiving royalties from their patents and instead just wants to stop competition.
14. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
They don't want to stop the competition. They want the competition to innovate instead of copying Apple.
16. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
same tired lines, same lack of evidence. All evidence points to apple wanting to ban products completely and reduce competition. Notice how they only go after people that take chunks of their pie, like samsung and HTC. I dont see them suing LG or Huai (however its spelled), though they probably all "violate" something with apple.
hippocrit. look it up in the dictionary.
19. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
They want to ban infringing products. If they didn't infringe Apple couldn't ban them.
17. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
Innovate how? How do you innovate on a touch screen phone if it is unable to recognize multiple gestures?
taco, the things Apple sues over are CLEARLY form factor. They just happened to get there first.
Blah, i'm done with you for today.
20. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Lots of phone existed before the iPhone without multi touch.
23. taz89 (Posts: 1943; Member since: 03 May 2011)
are you saying only apple should make multi touch phones...thats like saying who ever made the 1st hd tv should only make hd tv...
2. jdrevolution (Posts: 87; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
If Apple is needing to go to this FRAND defense thing, where the company does have to supply the patents available for a price, then why didn't they just negotiate pricing to begin with instead of taking all this to court?
11. mukrenol (Posts: 90; Member since: 03 Sep 2011)
because apple wants samsung banned yet still want all their supplies
so killing two birds in one stone
making samsung to stay in their cave and not come out to compete with apple again...
the suing.... started with apple... so samsung sues back
yet they are considering samsung as anticompetitive.... so...
i fully agree with you.. just get the royalties and shut up
that's what MS has been doing and they profit greatly while everyone stays happy
5. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Looking forward to an Apple victory on December 8th. Based on FRAND Samsung has no case. They're already being investigated in Europe for anti competitive behavior.
13. matrix_neo (Posts: 307; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)
how about the apple business behavior??? try to read this article in case u forgot it...
As for NT-K, the company from the Valencia region of Spain is demanding compensation from Apple for losses during the ban of its product and is suing the U.S. giant for alleged anticompetitive behavior.
Is Samsung alone in this case? Taco wake up!!!!
7. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)
So apple agreed they used Samsung patents without asking...
8. LewsTherin006 (Posts: 140; Member since: 18 Nov 2011)
maybe the french can actually help win a war for once.
9. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)
France has never won any war in history. They just cooperate with any invaders
10. mukrenol (Posts: 90; Member since: 03 Sep 2011)
i will love to see the 4s banned and see apple modify their phone to meet the law before selling
that would be what i call revolutionary... hahahhahaha
15. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Still bitter about Samsung's loss?
18. SlimSoulja86 (Posts: 642; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)
Just a question taco, do u hav a bed on this site? Man ur always here, defending Apple (from one Apple user to another) u just need to relax man, im sure Apple is capable of defendin itself.
24. taz89 (Posts: 1943; Member since: 03 May 2011)
surprised apple have not given him a medal yet
25. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
are you kidding? apple wouldnt want to be seen anywhere near that guy. people like that are bad for business. super trolls scare people away, not help sell.