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Buttons buttons, who has the buttons? The HTC Ville has buttons

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Buttons buttons, who has the buttons? The HTC Ville has buttons
Earlier this month, we showed you an image of a phone called the HTC Ville. Because the device is expected to launch with Ice Cream Sandwich installed, there were no buttons on the front of the device. As you might know, any phone launching with Android 4.0 aboard will not need those capacitive buttons on the bottom of the screen since the OS will provide the appropriate virtual buttons on the display.

So far, so good. The troubling part of this comes with the latest render for the HTC Ville, which appeared on Pocketnow. When you look at the image, you now can see the four capacitive buttons underneath the screen. Nothing else has been modified in the two weeks since the original story introduced the phone. The display remains a 4.3 inch qHD Super AMOLED screen with a dual-core 1.5GHz Snapdragon S4 under the hood. The camera is still an 8MP backside illuminated shooter that captures video at 1080p. Beats Audio technology is on the phone which means you will get those red earbuds that look like a pair of Red Vines licorice. And the battery powering the device is set to be a 1650mAh cell.

This rendering of the HTC Ville shows off capacitive buttons under the screen

This rendering of the HTC Ville shows off capacitive buttons under the screen

But that gets us back to the intriguing change with the buttons. There is nothing that says that Android 4.0 phones can't have physical buttons and of course, those Android 2.3 Gingerbread flavored models getting updated to ICS will have the buttons on the front. In a way, they are like your appendix, an unnecessary appendage. If you don't need them, why even design them into the phone?  Perhaps HTC will enlighten us as we get closer to the MWC in February when the phone is expected to meet the press.

The HTC Ville is HTC's thinnest smartphone to date coming in at under 8mm thick. That measurement beats out other devices such as the 9.2mm of the Apple iPhone 4S and the Samsung Galaxy S II's range of 8.49mm for most of the handset, widening to 9.91mm at its thickest point. Following its appearance at MWC, an April launch is expected.

source: Pocketnow

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posted on 25 Nov 2011, 19:04 5

1. SGSII (Posts: 53; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


I personally like the buttons on the phone and not part of the screen. why can't they take out the buttons when they add the skin on top of 4.0? They could just take out those buttons.

posted on 25 Nov 2011, 19:47 4

4. DetroitTech (Posts: 55; Member since: 02 Nov 2011)


I agree. I like the buttons as well. The way I see it is that space is going to be there regardless. Why not just put the buttons there for the people who do want them? And the people who don\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t don\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t have to use them. Does it bother people that much to see them. This is the type of thinking I can\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t stand. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"I don\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t like the buttons so get rid of them...\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" Instead of \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"Oh, there is an option for buttons as well. Well I\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'ll not use them and just use the software buttons...\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\". No, they have to not be there... Options people. Options.

And since when are buttons bad? Please explain to me how you plan on powering on a device without a button? That is the most important piece of hardware of all. Is there a single smartphone ever created that did not use a button to power itself on? \"Oh oh, that button is fine...\" ::sigh::

posted on 25 Nov 2011, 19:11 5

2. readingthissh1t (Posts: 303; Member since: 20 Jul 2011)


on screen buttons ftw. galaxy nexus videos where the buttons go away and the full screen is used are sexy

posted on 25 Nov 2011, 19:32 3

3. ILikeBubbles (Posts: 302; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


Haven't recent studies proven that the appendix is actually a vital organ? Maybe the capacitive buttons will be able to do something we don't know about.. I'm sure Google thought about that...

posted on 26 Nov 2011, 07:04 6

15. Trainer (Posts: 23; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


People have the appendix removed all the time. It certainly isn't a vital organ. Crazy internet rumors. I've had mine removed and haven't dropped dead yet.

[hits post]
[immediatly falls over dead]

posted on 25 Nov 2011, 21:03 2

5. Dr.Phil (Posts: 924; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)


It could just be that these were actual renderings of the phone before ICS came out. I mean think about it, no other company besides Samsung knew the real workings of ICS. So how was HTC to know that there would be no need for capacitive buttons. The way I see it is that these renderings are probably pretty accurate, it\'s just that they were designed before HTC knew all about ICS. I mean think about it, it took them a week or two to say that they looked at ICS and are ready to work to get HTC Sense 4.0 out with it. So, I would just say that there may be a chance that they get rid of the capacitive buttons in favor of on-screen buttons, or they may be so far into the design that it won\'t. Either way, knowing HTC, I think it will be a great device.

posted on 25 Nov 2011, 22:58 2

6. remixfa (Posts: 14067; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


there is zero point to this phone then. Its just the HTC Amaze with a different tag on it. Come on HTC, you used to be creative.. now... its just like another apple.." same phone, different name.. who wants to buy again"

posted on 26 Nov 2011, 00:02 2

7. fatexo (Posts: 122; Member since: 21 May 2010)


i agree..
i use to love HTC.. now it seems they just make the same phones with different android versions..
i am still a HTC fan tho..

posted on 26 Nov 2011, 00:11 9

8. HTCiscool (Posts: 449; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)


Well, is Samsung being too original or creative with their designs now?

I am proud of you you didn't inject lol anywhere in your comment :)

posted on 26 Nov 2011, 03:30 4

13. Anirbanrocks (Posts: 8; Member since: 26 Nov 2011)


umm..i guess you should look into Sony Ericsson/Sony if u want different phone with different designs..:) atleast it is the only company i saw are creative with designs..even the latest leak Arc HD/Nozomi has a different design than arc..but all those new phns leaked frm htc or samsung..all same design -_- too sad..specs never come with a cool design :(

posted on 26 Nov 2011, 07:03 6

14. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4335; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


No remixfa you are wrong. This phone is certainly not like the HTC Amaze at all. This phone first of all has the NEW 28nm S4 Krait powered dual-core processor that can handle LTE with out a hitch. Unlike your Exynos chips at this very moment. Plus it will be the best phone on the market in terms of battery life thanks to it's 28nm tech. Also it has the new Adreno 225 GPU offering 50% better performance compared to the old Adreno 220.

So I beg to differ this phone & the HTC Amaze are not close at all. The only thing in common is that they both are dual-core phones. The Amaze is a S3 & the Ville is the new 28nm S4.

posted on 26 Nov 2011, 08:05 2

16. remixfa (Posts: 14067; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


so yes, other than they shrank the die size to 28nm, its the exact specs of the amaze in every other way.. they didnt even change the looks.
it will have a slight power boost, but its an amaze... call it the amaze+ if you want.

An SGS2 with a 4212 in it instead of a 4210 is still an SGS2, just a little more powerful... just like they still called a SGS2 with a crapdragon S3 in it, an SGS2.

thumb me down all you want. it is what it is.


SAE, u keep throwing that LTE thing at me. I dont give a hoot about LTE. If you are on VZW, sure it would be important, but most of the world isnt. Besides, the Exynos 4212 chip will be dropping around the same time as the S4 chip which completely negates the entire argument.

posted on 26 Nov 2011, 08:06 4

18. remixfa (Posts: 14067; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


And whats my biggest complaint about HTC? they undersize the battery. Look at that little thing in there. Battery savings from the smaller processor or not, they still need to be getting BIGGER, not the same or smaller.

posted on 26 Nov 2011, 13:25 2

21. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4335; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Well you should care about LTE because Verizon, AT&T, & very soon Sprint will have LTE. T-Mobile is going to be left in the dust. HSPA+ is by means is LTE. LTE is the future here in the U.S.

I bring up LTE because you always find a way to bash HTC or Qualcomm. Samsung dropped the ball, they should have added LTE support. That is the biggest flaw in the Exynos processor. It's a shame that a true Samsung Galaxy S II never had LTE from the get go.

The 28nm S4 Krait dual-core processor can come as high as 2.5GHz. The Adreno 225 GPU is going to be very competent & can handle anything that WILL be coming out.

The battery size might just be right because the 28nm will be so efficient that battery size shouldn't even matter. The Amaze is a S3 not a S4 so it's comparing apples to oranges. Plus the Ville is very thin so it's not a rehash at all. Also the Exynos 4212 won't be out Q1 of 2012, the 28nm S4 Krait dual-core will be out Q1 of 2012.

posted on 26 Nov 2011, 14:39

22. remixfa (Posts: 14067; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


everyone keeps talking about "the future"

guess what, my phone decisions in the next 6 months are not going to be based on what happens in the next 3-5 years as I wont have a phone that long. I dont know how Tmobile's plans to expand to 84mb/s NEXT YEAR and keep their current super cheap pricing structure is them being left in the dust, when VZW isnt planning on LTE Advance till probably 2015 (which is the 100mb/s), ATT's LTE build out is going to be slow and abysmal, and Sprint is at least a year or 2 from BEGNINING an LTE roll out.. Advance or not. And Tmobile has already said that they will be going LTE eventually... and when they do it will be LTE-A with an 84mb/s HSPA+ backhaul.

Kinda seems like Tmobile is still going to be on or close to the leading edge of speed for the next 2-5 years, and at half the price.


If its only flaw is not being able to use a technology that only a small handfull of carriers around the world use and is sparsely even in use... then i wouldtn consider that a very big flaw... for the 30th time. Harp on it all you want. Your phone cant run any faster on 40mb/s LTE than it can on 21mb/s HSPA+.

Nothing is out till its out. As we all know delays are common place in electronics. Until a carrier has a launch date on a phone carrying the tech, dont trust ANY launch projections. Otherwise we would already have the Nexus Prime AND Tegra3 out if projections were true.

posted on 26 Nov 2011, 09:58 2

20. remixfa (Posts: 14067; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


as far as battery life, the battery itself is still undersized. and those battery claims are unproven at this point and are based off the S3's performance, which was sub par to begin with. It will definitely improve, but how much remains to be seen. Dont stand by any manufacturer claim until we can test it.
50% battery life improvement from the S3 would put it on par with the current SGS2... maybe a smidge better at best. But if we are judging 28nm chips, the exynos 4212 chip is supposed to be the same increase from the current exynos which puts it way ahead of the pack. Its all relative. Like anything, its all manufacturer's claims. we need real world evidence to back it up.. which we wont have for a little while.

posted on 26 Nov 2011, 01:08 1

9. HTCiscool (Posts: 449; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)


I still like the haptic feedback of the capacitive buttons. But why 5? We only really need Home, Menu, and Back. Many would argue that Search is unnecessary but I've found it useful. Finally! Thin designs,

posted on 26 Nov 2011, 08:05 1

17. remixfa (Posts: 14067; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


unless they give us a dedicated voice button, i need a search button, i use it for voice commands all the time.

posted on 26 Nov 2011, 21:18

24. matistight (Posts: 202; Member since: 13 May 2009)


5? Where did you read that?

Search button is nice. Never use it, but i don't think HTC ever got rid of the search button, but its much easier to use than clicking an app haha. Also the search is common with the traditional except for the new Nexus that can't think of a good name like i dont know...NEXUS PRIME!

Also 4 is even, and for some(like me), 3 seems weird with that missing search button.

posted on 26 Nov 2011, 01:10 1

10. dmakun (Posts: 220; Member since: 06 Jun 2011)


HTC is perhaps the best android phone maker presently but I do agree that at times they make too many similar handsets and just put them out there. There greatest failing is in the atrocious capacity of their batteries. They would do well to address and improve on that asap. Otherwise, they are the android kings IMO and I still rate their sense skin very high amongst other manufacturers efforts to differentiate their products with custom skins. Can't wait to see what they come up with in HTC sense 4.0 on android 4.0.

posted on 26 Nov 2011, 01:17

12. readingthissh1t (Posts: 303; Member since: 20 Jul 2011)


htc left us faithful eris users in the mud on a rainy day. screw htc. tbh i love the new direction android is going in, all screen, no buttons. galaxy nexus all the way and its time for this ole' eris to rest

posted on 26 Nov 2011, 09:52 1

19. roscuthiii (Posts: 1863; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


I've had my lil' Eris for a while now and mine has served me well. The only problems I've ever had with mine were user generated when I forgot to do a Dalvik + data wipe when flashing ROM's and my gf has seriously abused hers (not only washing it once, but twice and somehow the little bugger keeps chugging along albeit a bit wonky now).
But, I knew it was a lower-end smartphone when I bought it. I never expected HTC to to treat it with the respect of a first-born or to coddle it like their newest baby. I always saw it as kind of a middle child to step child since it's really just a refitted HTC Hero.
They did continue the form factor though. The HTC Wildfire has been making the rounds for a bit now. It was just never picked up by Verizon.

posted on 26 Nov 2011, 01:12

11. kenemu (Posts: 19; Member since: 22 Oct 2011)


i lime buttons but not more than one on front. at least i find it much@easier to unlock the phine without relying solely on the power button

posted on 26 Nov 2011, 18:45

23. gowless (Posts: 2; Member since: 26 Nov 2011)


buttons?? is that kinda like shingles ?

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