This is said to be a leaked Windows Phone roadmap
Windows Phone roadmap leaks, Tango and Apollo on schedule for 2012
1. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5665; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
okay Apollo has got me excited but Tango? really? we might witness the arrival of affordable WP smartphones with entry-level specs? if the high-end echelon of WP now is any indication i don't even want to think about how crappy Tango handsets will be.
4. snowgator (Posts: 3345; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Amazingly, King, the price points are among the biggest criticisms. Tango is designed to allow free to mid range devices with a version of WP that is designed for it. Instead of trying to cram WP onto underpowered devices, kinda like Android is doing. Most of the really poor Android experiences are from these lower level phones, like the Citrus and some of those Samsung's on PA's "worst phones of the year" list. Android works best on powerful, top end devices. Tango isn't truly for established markets, but developing markets that Nokia wants back. It is an important platform.
7. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5665; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
thennn they should lower the bar on current phones and let the rough side drag until Apollo comes out which would've been sooner if they weren't focusing on Tango. i mean if we're talking about making a whole OS for phones that don't at least have 1GHz processors then Tango is going to be running on some really weak hardware and will make buying such a WP completely unjustifiable to a market that barely accepts it now. what WP calls high-end now Android calls low-end now and what WP will call low-end in the second quarter of 2012 is what Android says is sooo 2009.
12. snowgator (Posts: 3345; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
"i mean if we're talking about making a whole OS for phones that don't at least have 1GHz processors then Tango is going to be running on some really weak hardware". Well, that is exactly the point, King.
The way the Nokia deal went down, Microsoft made several promises to them. One of them was a dumbed down version of their OS specifically designed for lower end handsets to allow Nokia to pump phones to the markets where cheap sells and volume is the name of the game. These markets are not ours, King. The are not about competing in the US offerings. It is meant to be a seamless experience on dirt cheap hardware. Neither Mango or Apollo are designed for this, but I think Tango is. Not sure, of course, but it makes sense by the road map.
Apollo (WP8) IS meant to compete with Android high end offerings. Nokia will of course be using WP8 as well. But they want their market share back in developing countries, and Microsoft is developing a way to allow them to do that.
16. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5665; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
i understand the point snow. what i'm saying is their endeavor in today's smartphone scheme is flawed.
in case you haven't noticed the hardware we're calling high-end now for WP handsets is pretty insignificant now. Microsoft needs to work on increasing their profit margin in their mobile department by doing better in larger consumer markets like the States instead of squandering funds on handsets that couldn't be given away to people that have a lick of sense. it'd make more sense to just buy a damn Samsung Focus from Amazon for $240 OFF contract than to buy a phone on contract that's so weak it has to have an all new version of the OS to accommodate it's needs. apps and games lag on "powerful" WP handsets now can you imagine how limited development would be for phones weaker than ones powered by 1st and 2nd generation Snapdragons? Mango devices should just be phased into the low-end echelon and Apollo needs to be moved up to replace Mango at the high-end echelon of things.
8. Schmao (Posts: 302; Member since: 05 Jul 2009)
The T-mobile Radar is selling for the low low price of free right now. How much cheaper are they trying to get?
13. snowgator (Posts: 3345; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Again, different markets. Plans are set up different in different countries. The Radar would be way expensive in other markets. I am not an expert, so I cannot tell you how plans are structured, but I know Nokia needs cheaper devices.
17. Glim12808 (Posts: 394; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
You hit the nail right on the head! Tango is designed for third-world countries where even the Radar is still expensive, cost-wise.
Samsung released the Galaxy Y, which costs $120 - $150 unlocked, for third-world countries. This is the same price point MS and Nokia are aiming for. Nokia, by the way, is still king of the heap in third world countries, and they want to keep it that way with cheap Tango phones.
But if Tango brings LTE capability to the WP OS, then it is still an important update, even if not a major one.
5. snowgator (Posts: 3345; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
I really do not think LTE is coming until Apollo, but several posters I respect here have said it is coming to Tango. But make no mistake: Apollo is the make or break point. If WP is going to compete with the big dawgs, than this is it.
9. Penny (Posts: 1362; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
Well snow, most of us are just going off of what we have heard and read around the web, myself included. I don't know for sure if LTE support is coming with Tango, but that is what has been indicated in various articles. Also, it does line up with the rumors that Nokia and other companies are working on LTE capable WP7 devices set to come out in the first half of 2012, which is prior to the expected launch of Apollo.
14. snowgator (Posts: 3345; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
And I certainly meant you when I said there were those I respect that disagreed with me on Tango. I make a very large habit of looking stupid and being wrong. I actually am real good at both and do not even mind it anymore. :-)
If Tango brings LTE, than that means WP gets more support quicker on Verizon, and can get a handset on AT&T right next to the Skyrocket, Nitro and Vivid. I will be happy to be wrong!!! I have said it a couple times: I am looking forward to my Focus S being outdated. That means more choices for me the next time I upgrade!!
6. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
I'd like to see the device roadmap more than anything else! As of right now there ain't jack s**t. If you want a good one in the US, have to bail your carrier and run to ATT. Then you'll be served with two new top wp devices. Or there's the option of going to tmo and purchasing one new mid end device. What kind of f**king sales and marketing is this!? WP is not the iPhone where you drop one device on a carrier and everyone flocks there to buy it. s**t, get the goods out and to all carriers at every price point on every level! Then you can spend the millions to advertise. You'll have something to show for it. Not worth to complain. MS won't hear or take it to consideration anyways.
10. bbstorm2435 (Posts: 37; Member since: 21 Oct 2009)
I would think Microsoft would be pouring money into R&D for Apollo or even just money into finding what would possibly be the best hardware for it. If they play it right, I think they will get a good percentage of market share (possibly up to 20%) with Apollo.
On a side note, I want to see a Xbox phone. I think it would be interesting. We have seen that Microsoft patented that slide out keyboard/video game controller/ whatever else you want it to be, a couple of months ago. You could interchange the keyboard with say a video game controller and be able to play games. I think we will see this patented technology seen in Apollo and I also think it will please those that maybe like the controller of the Xperia Play but also want it to have a keyboard for when they are not playing games on it. I can also see an "Xbox phone" being a great competitor for something like the PS Vita and maybe they will capitalize off of the fact that you don't have to lug around a phone and a gaming machine, but rather an all-in-one machine.
11. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5665; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
i would pay whatever amount of money to have that. o.o
15. snowgator (Posts: 3345; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
bbstorm- you could run Microsoft's mobile division. By your screen name, you SHOULD be running RIM.
Why is Android tops? Choices, and devices catered to every desire. Why can't WP have:
-Your XBOX gaming phone?
-A "zune player" music phone? (Come on HTC, share the Beats!!)
-A word/Excel/power point business class phone with serious security and a spectacular Skype option for meetings?
Man, I would settle for more physical keyboards and all the screens working in landscape. But Penny told me no in the last posting I asked. What is so hard here, MS?