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New technologies always seem to pose new problems and that is the case as Verizon is fighting through the struggles of LTE in an attempt to release their 4G capable handsets during the first half of the year.

The first LTE enabled smartphone to hit the Verizon network is supposed to the HTC Thunderbolt, but it has been delayed numerous times. Verizon CTO Tony Melone said that LTE handsets are still on track to be launched during the first half of the year. Here is what he had to say:

I guess our expectations change, but we had said first half of this year at CES, quite frankly, we think that exceeded people’s expectations. A year ago, people didn’t believe that there would be LTE smartphones in 2011. First half of the year is what we promised; first half of the year is still on track. So we don’t believe there are any new or surprising issues. I think what we’re facing is what you would expect, and that is a new technology, you are working through issues. And we anticipated that, and we are pleased at how we are working through issues. And as I said, you are going to see LTE smartphones on the network as promised, before the first half — before the second half of the year, by the end of the second quarter.

There should be no surprise that there are issues to work through since this is generally the case with new technology. Tell us what you think in the comments below.

source: ZDNet via Mobile Burn

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posted on 08 Mar 2011, 10:50 3

1. SB311 (unregistered)


I hate to say it, but this does look like a a smoke screen to hide that Verizon's new relationship with Apple is causing them to push superior technology back. You are not going to see ANY new Verizon Wireless smart phones until 2012 thanks to Apple's desire to have the top spot in a carrier's lineup.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 11:55 5

13. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


Verizon rejected Apple's initial offer for the iPhone BECAUSE they didn't want any single brand or device running their show. Verizon is wise to keep pushing the Droid brand in parallel with the iPhone/iPad and in parallel with LTE. The notion that Apple's influence will keep competing LTE smartphones off the shelves is ludicrous.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 12:15 2

15. Rejeimha (Posts: 18; Member since: 29 Jul 2010)


Is this the initial offer to be Apple's exclusive carrier befor the iPhone was released on ATT? Becasue if that is what you're referring to, then check the facts. iPhone was originally made for GSM and Verizon is CDMA. It's already been reported that Verizon wasn't offered the iPhone until much later, some time after their Droid line was going strong, if I am not mistaken.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 13:37 2

27. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


Yes, it is. And while the '07 iPhone was originally GSM, they could have made it CDMA instead. Yes, that would have made it more difficult to market one for the rest of the world, but it wasn't the sole reason they chose Cingular instead. Cingular was more willing to let Apple govern software, updates, apps, downloads, etc. than Verizon. Verizon was also being cautious, as Apple was unproven in the handset world.

You're right that the Apple-Verizon negotiations restarted in earnest after the Droid put up serious competition, because the fact is Apple now needs Verizon more than Verizon needs Apple.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 17:02 1

59. lollipop (Posts: 43; Member since: 15 Feb 2011)


You do realize that a single phone was the reason Verizon lost most of the quarters to At&t? They lost what? 4 quarters straight to At&t a year and now its Projected that At&t again is the number 1 carrier in the US despite the fact that Verizon absorbed another carrier and had a 10million subscriber headstart over At&t....

Also the growth of the iPhone and the profitability makes your statement absolutely absurd. There has not been one device that had near the sales numbers of the iPhone. The truth is Apple doesn't need verizon from a Profit and sales numbers. There seems to be a problem people do not realize.

Just from product stand point despite Android gaining marketshare the iPhone has not slowed in growth in YoY.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 17:53 2

64. fairly mismatched (unregistered)


Just to add a little perspective to your first statement... AT&T isn't really AT&T. Cingular bought AT&T but kept the moniker for name recognition. Both VZW and AT&T* obtained customers through acquisitions.

Also, you are right... no single phone may ever outsell the iPhone. There are for more competitors on a much faster release cycle on the other platforms. This is neither good nor bad... just different, and depends on personal preference.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 18:51 1

66. BaiGanyo (Posts: 308; Member since: 07 Feb 2011)


i don't the iphone is best selling phone. i'd like to see where that stat came from. say best selling smart phone if that's you mean. for gods sake, do i have to make your damn argument for you? illiterate buffoon.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 23:39

86. dv (unregistered)


If i sit back and read the speculation and different things that either of you claim as fact. I have to laugh. You both should check THE FACTS, not your facts.

subscribers this subscribers that, Apple this Apple that,

Business is about making money, REVENUE AND PROFIT, period. It doesn't matter what phone you have on what carrier. Verizon will always dominate in the real measure of why all of the companies in this industry are doing business. No one will every compete from a profitability stand point and that is all that matters!

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 16:19 3

53. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Apple actually rejected Verizon. Then Verizon said they wanted the iPhone and the ball was in Apple's court. Sounds like Apple had the upper hand in this one to me.

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 10:14

96. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


History could spin it either way. If you asked Verizon, they'd say they rejected Apple's unreasonable demands that they give up responsibility for service, updates, downloads, etc. If you asked Apple, they'd say they rejected Verizon's unreasonable demands to control software, bloatware, branding, etc. Negotiations likely fizzled on both sides, but we'll never know for sure.

Despite the iPhone's continuous success, I still maintain Apple had more to gain by doubling the subscriber base than Verizon did from by offering a successful device (we'll see that play out when the iPhone 5 arrives). 2 years ago Verizon had no unique, highly successful smartphone. Android changed the story.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 12:34 3

17. in the know (unregistered)


My gawd are you delusional!!....did yu forget to take your meds today? Apple is the reason but not because of their "desire to have the top spot" (I can't stop laughing at that one). Big Red has a boat load of iPhone inventory that they can't get rid of. There is a huge cost involved with keeping inventory on hand....not to mention it's effect on the financials. VZW drastically overestimated the demand for "God's Gift to Mankind" and as a result they are afraid to pull the trigger on 4G smartphones. The market has spoken and has shown they are far more educated than VZW would like to think....the "I gotta have it" mentality for an outdated, proprietary device whose iconic status is purely based on mass marketinging isn't the draw it once used to be. The launch of the HTC Thunderbolt and the Samsung Droid Charge would only further hurt suffering iPhone sales. LTE devices are already being sold by VZW.....aircards. The current crop of LTE Smartphones headed to VZW process data the same way as LTE aircards....voice is stil handled over the 1X network. There is no reason they should not function on the network simply because it's a Smartphone. VZW is simply stalling so as not to have to bring in new inventory, as well as to help thin out the million of iPhone boxes sitting in a warehouse somewhere.

You should start to see devices hit by end of Q2.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 15:28 1

48. tragichero (Posts: 163; Member since: 07 Jan 2011)


i think it has to do with the transmission of 4g to 3g... at this moment when you move from a 4g area to a 3g area with a lte aircards it takes 3 to 5 minuets to swich. that means you are left with 3 to 5 minuets of time without internet. not a big deal if your not moving back and forth from 3g to 4g, but if are... its very annoying. like i said this problem will be fixed soon.... i believe that this issue on the 4g smartphones still exist and they want to fix the issue before they release the new line of jaw dropping smartphone awesomeness. as for the claim of the iphone not selling thats completelly false. not as big as expected but that is also because deals with indirect agents of verizon and apple didnt close untill late febuary. as of march 1st, the biggest retailer of verizon products (an indirect agent), gained the ability to sell the iphone. in which case sales have skyrocketed. i know because im on the front line. just wait when verizon releases the actual sales report... which is yet to be done.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 16:33 1

56. DaveDaDude (Posts: 8; Member since: 08 Mar 2011)


Are you serious with that statement? Why are you really mad, is it cause you weren't eligible for an upgrade when the IP4 landed on Verizon, because for you to make a comment as uninformed as that, that can be the only reason for it. Verizon has already stated that the IP4 was the most successful phone release they've ever had in their history, so where are you getting your facts from? If you're an Apple hater than just say so, no company is going to stop itself from making money by postponing sales of items that are ready to be sold for the sake of selling something else. Why else would carriers offer more than one phone, because they know that its different strokes for different folks. Some people only want Android and some only want Blackberry and some only want IOS.

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 13:42

100. in the know (unregistered)


20+ years in the wireless industry-carrier side, software side and hardware side……I believe I know a few things. and I feel like going off on a rant………………….

As far as Apple goes, I am not an "Apple Hater" as you suggest. In fact, I am quite impressed. They raised the bar back in 07' with a smooth, easy to ease GUI that appealed to the consumer...and all the other manufacturers have been playing catch up. What's even more impressive is the staying power they have achieved with other manufacturers and the Android OS surpassing them in terms of technology, openness, specs, customization and user experience. Apple is the “poster boy” for a Marketing Powerhouse. They don’t manufacturer any of their own hardware…they sub everything out, demand the most from their suppliers at the lowest possible prices……that’s good business. They have created a powerful brand and demand a premium price from the carriers.

“The most successful product release of all time”….I beg to differ. That statement was pure PR fodder and premature on behalf of VZW. . I believe the Motorola Razr ended up selling 50 Million+ through its lifecycle at VZW. The initial on-line sales of the iPhone 4 at VZW was a success but not as big as it could have been. The VZW servers crashed, they did not run out of inventory as they stated. VZW prefers to sell devices through its on-line distribution channel (all carriers do)….the cost of acquiring a customer is far less than through traditional “brick n motor” channels such as corporate owned retail, national retail, indirect or enterprise sales. On-line sales pay no residuals or commissions. “Electronic Store Fronts” are cheap to operate…..the only additional cost is shipping to the customer which is peanuts in comparison. VZW also had a massive hiring initiative in Sept-Oct. in anticipation of the iPhone “hysteria”…more retail sales reps, more customer service reps…etc. in order to handle the anticipated foot traffic, consumer calls…..etc. As a result, expenses have increased significantly while revenues have seen a marginal bump because of lagging iPhone sales.

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 13:43

101. in the know (unregistered)


as of march 1st, the biggest retailer of verizon products (an indirect agent), gained the ability to sell the iphone. in which case sales have skyrocketed” Huh??? Indirect Agents (Not National Retail like Best Buy) do not make “deals” with Apple…they ride on the backs of the carriers. Verizon told their indirect distribution channel they would not be able to carry the iPhone until March…and that was only to their “premium agents”. Additionally they were not supposed to even have the devices on hand…they were required to use a “direct fulfillment” ordering process which would have the device shipped to the customer the next day That changed real quick due to lagging sales. Indirect Agents received iPhone inventory for March 1st availability. Additionally VZW employees were not allowed to carry an iPhone on their concession or VZW responsible lines…again to save product for the droves of paying customers. This policy was rescinded by the end of February.
Don't downplay the role finance plays in product availability and pricing. The delay of LTE devices is because of the iPhone 4 inventory issue. Case in point: Recall the original Palm Pre at VZW. It launched at $199….2 weeks later it dropped to $99……2 weeks later it dropped to $49……the fastest tumble down the pricing spectrum in recent memory. Why?...VZW had 40+ weeks of aging inventory based on weekly sell through of the Palm Pre. Hell, they even added free wireless hotspot services on the device to help move it. Or how about Blackberry? Every single BB device was on the “Buy One –Get One Free” promo for close to a year to help move aging inventory. How about the Samsung Galaxy Tab? Initially launched with no subsidy at $599…lagging sales and what do you see???...prices lowered to $299 with a subsidy. Carriers are not a fan of the subsidy pricing model, but the US consumer has become accustomed to it from day one. Carriers were hoping to “wean” customers off of the concept with the introduction of the tablet form factor but that didn’t fare well. EUR and APAC markets rely far less on subsidies. Wireless carriers are seen like the cable TV companies here in the US (generally speaking). Buy your TV at full price (+20 - 30% mark-up) and bring it to your cable company for service...same concept with mobile devices overseas (again, generally speaking)

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 13:45

102. in the know (unregistered)


VZW cannot lower the price of the iPhone 4 until the launch of the iPhone 5 because of contractual obligations with Apple. Apple wants their products to be perceived as “premium” with a premium price until the launch of a newer device. (Good marketing move). Right now, based on weekly sell through, VZW will have a significant stash of iPhone 4s through the holiday selling season…and what’s more the launch of the iPhone 5 come June/July will hurt iPhone 4 sales even more. Every device that walks out of a carrier’s shop is at an initial loss….hence the reason for the commitment. Carriers typically take a $250-$300 hit on a Smartphone (Apple is on the higher end of the spectrum in terms of cost) and they monitor closely the time it takes to “break-even” on that loss….typically 6-7 months. Verizon would prefer to see every customer walking out the door with a Motorola Citrus as opposed to a iPhone…..why? Because the lost associated with a Citrus is far less than an iPhone in terms of cost and the monthly revenue is equal. Obviously VZW needs to offer higher end (and as a result more expensive) devices in order to satisfy the needs of a demanding consumer. Alas, If VZW moves a significant amount of their iPhone 4 inventory come the Aug-Sept. timeframe at a lower price their break even #s would be severely skewed….effecting the bottom line.

As a result, Verizon has hammered it’s manufacturers regarding “just in time” inventory management. They want products to arrive to warehouse with less than a week’s anticipated sales and let the manufacturers carry the burden. Manufacturer’s have smartened up to this notion and generally will have a large inventory of components: screens, processors, ram….etc that are ready for final assembly as opposed to final product.. That is why you see so many devices using the same components over n over again. HTC and Samsung are infamous for this….it is a huge cost saving measure for them and you can’t blame them for it. Apple cannot do this because they sub everything out and most importantly they are a “one phone” shop.

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 13:46

103. in the know (unregistered)


It all comes down to the bottom line and earnings for the shareholders. LTE infrastructure build out is a massive initiative on Verizon’s behalf….costing billions upon billions. Do you really think it’s to give us faster speeds? Sure it gives VZW a competitive advantage in the advertising wars and hopefully more customers porting over from other carriers, but LTE adoption has far more to do with capacity than it does speed. Smartphone adoption rates are barely breaking 35% at VZW while it’s close to 60% at AT&T (because of the iPhone). More capacity means the ability to handle future growth without the fear of network issues…..just ask AT&T iPhone users in NYC from 9 months ago about network congestion.

The Thunderbolt and Samsung Stealth will be here soon enough. VZW won’t risk a PR nightmare and push it off later than the end of Q2. You might even see the Thunderbolt by the end of March to help save face…..just convince your neighbor to get an iPhone.

Yeah…you’re right, I am “uniformed”

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 14:31 1

104. snowgator (Posts: 3188; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


Ummmm... wow.

posted on 10 Mar 2011, 13:16 1

111. tragichero (Posts: 163; Member since: 07 Jan 2011)


you didnt say anything about the 3 to 5 min switch from 3g to 4g that i mentioned... that is the reason the thunderbolt hasnt been released yet. also your claim that the verizon system went down on the prerelease of the iphone is also false. they sold out the amount given for online upgrades being that at that time... the only people that could preorder were current customers. they wanted to keep the rest for new lines on the official release day...duh. your also misleading when you started talking about the razr. verizon had the largest sales in a givin day with only 2 hours of that day. thats a fact. and you are uninformed. verizon is yet to release the official sales report. in which case when they do... i expect an equal as long rant about how wrong you have been.

posted on 12 Mar 2011, 10:26

115. in the know (unregistered)


Trgichero, I made a few phone calls regarding the 3G to 4G issue you have brought up and I must

admit....there is some truth to it. However, you are not going to be happy with the reason behind it.

VZW is nortotious for it's product testing. Generally devices are subject to a 10-16 weeklab testing

approval process... on the longer end of the time line for Smartphones. The problem again, lies with

Apple. VZW requested the iPhone 4 be brought into their labs well before x-mass for testing. Apple flat

out refused....claiming the need to keep their devices "secret" untill the last possible moment before

launch. Fear of "spy shots"....leaking of sensitive tech specs...etc, etc, etc. As we all know, Apple counts on mystery and secrecy in order to generate "hype" and inturn,

demand for their products...they are masters at it. AT&T is all too familiar with this as well....as

they only had a few weeks to test their variant and relied on claims from Apple that the voice

capabilities were the same as the iPhone 3. We all know how that turned out with "antenna-gate"

VZW only had the iPhone 4 "in lab" for 6 weeks prior to launch. Mangement was concerned with a possible

"antenna-gate" issue of their own and devoted all of their product testing resources strictly to the

iPhone prior to launch.....especially their "Drive testors" who "drive" the network with a device in

order to determine reliabilty, functionality, network drain.....etc. This had a "ripple effect" on the

Thunderolt. Not sure if the "3G to 4G" issue was missed or known about all along, but it certainly would

have been addressed long ago if it were not for Apple and their "self absorbed" demands. The original Feb. 14th launch date was based on the date VZW got the Thunderbolt for testing.....it's been delayed ever since.

Now the good news is the Thundebolt is at PCD's (HTC's distibutor in the USA) warehouse being flashed

with the latest software update to address the issue. You may have read about "conditional approval" in

another posting. It's actually considered "Technical Approval"or TA...meaning the product folks at VZW have given the device their blessing allowing it to be used on the network. The "conditional" part was the new flash requirement. Word on the street is it may hit by 3/17, worse case end of month. I'll be in Orlando at CTIA in 2 weeks and be surprised if it's not launched by then.

Now I have a feeling I'm gonna get slammed once again by all the Apple folks out there, but it's the truth.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 10:54 2

2. Sniggly (Posts: 6697; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Cue Hawk crowing about "slowrizon" even though Verizon is ahead of every other U.S. carrier in even trying 4G, and Gemini talking about Apple's special something even though the first 4G devices are Android phones.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 10:55 1

3. Sniggly (Posts: 6697; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


By 4g I mean LTE.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 10:58 7

4. fleanote (Posts: 50; Member since: 14 Jan 2011)


I think they're buying time. We read a month ago that Verizon was making a big push to expand its 4G towers across the land, I think they're delaying their phones to deal with that (as well as the conflicting airwave space with the miltary you've been reading about).

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 13:14 3

19. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)


And I think that's smart...companies seem to be so ready to preach 4G, but don't have the network to back it up. Verizon should keep doign what they do...expand the network first, release phones later...

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 14:48 3

44. beatlesfan (Posts: 150; Member since: 03 Mar 2011)


Unlike AT&T who has out phones but no 4g. I laugh out loud at their commercials for the Atrix. That tom foolery my work on some consumers, but I hope not many.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 17:09

60. lollipop (Posts: 43; Member since: 15 Feb 2011)


At&t 4G phones aren't even 4G LTE... just HSPA+.

4G at the moment is a farce. There aren't enough markets to take advantage of a 4G device. 2012 and 2013 will be the years when 4G matters. As of right now.... 2011 4G devices are marketing schemes to make people feel that they are getting cutting edge hardware.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 19:58 1

72. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)


HSPA+ is 4G according to the folks who said WiMAX and LTE were 4G. None of them follow the original definition of 4G...

posted on 12 Mar 2011, 12:46

116. beatlesfan (Posts: 150; Member since: 03 Mar 2011)


Yeah, I know but AT&T is supposed to use LTE as their 4g now all the sudden they're calling their upgraded 3g 4g. Very confusing, and misleading to most consumers.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 21:12 1

74. BaiGanyo (Posts: 308; Member since: 07 Feb 2011)


wimax is everywhere I've been.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 22:01 1

79. Fanboys Suck (Posts: 609; Member since: 12 Dec 2008)


Go to San Diego..........

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 23:16

83. BaiGanyo (Posts: 308; Member since: 07 Feb 2011)


Ok, i only use it in the places i already go. i'm not going to visit your city so i can see what the wimax reception is like. To steal a line from verizon, there's a map for that.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 13:20 1

21. Stina (unregistered)


Verizon's moto is most reliable network. It makes sense for them to focus on the network first then the devices.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 13:30 2

25. BaiGanyo (Posts: 308; Member since: 07 Feb 2011)


I would be inclined to agree, but in the mean time, stop claiming to have it and including it in a lot of your advertising. It's kind of a scam...claims with nothing to back them up.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 13:39 1

29. snowgator (Posts: 3188; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


No doubt. I have a friend with the original Droid and has been waiting on the T-bolt to upgrade. He doesn't want to commit, then have it come out. Doesn't want to wait forever, either. Make a decision- set a date, or pull the promotional stuff until you are ready.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 13:42 2

31. Stina (unregistered)


I agree. I'm waiting on the Thunderbolt too. It's really frustrating to see all the ads for it but have no idea when I can buy it.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 11:11 10

5. sinfulta (Posts: 268; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)


Last time I checked. Verizon NEVER gave an official release date for the Thunderbolt. Everyone just keeps assuming the date it's coming out. As long as they release prior to June 30th, That would be considered the first half of the year. They didn't say the first quarter (which ends March 31st) and it still looks like that might even be a possibility.

I don't understand why everyone is so up in arms. Just enjoy what your currently using. It will happen soon enough.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 13:49

35. snowgator (Posts: 3188; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


Then why promote the thing every other comercial? People are "up in arms" due to the fact they are waiting on this phone that has been promoted, teased, and pushed. Again, if the plan is June, and people want it, they will wait to June. But it has been promoted since what, Feb? Just set a tentative date that is realistic, or shut up until your network is ready. Just simple addition in the math of the free market we love so much: don't pee on your customers if you can help it.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 15:44 2

49. tragichero (Posts: 163; Member since: 07 Jan 2011)


you dont seem to complain to hollywood for promoting a movie and playing previews of it everytime you go to a movie theatre a year prior to its official release.... or do you? you sound like a baby.... "i cant wait... why cant i have it now... shut up verizon, you hurt my feelings". grow up. you'll get your phone. you mentioned the free market and yet you fail to realize the clever marketing techniques that come along with it.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 19:24 2

71. snowgator (Posts: 3188; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


That's actually kinda funny. (mean it, not sarcastic. I laughed.) Wrong, but funny. First of all, I have a friend who is waiting on this phone to decide on a two year commitment on this phone. Not me, a friend. He is a good verizon customer and will probably wait until it is released to decide. That doesn't mean this is a good practice. I am interested in a Casio G'zOne rugged phone, c771, that Verizon will release sometime soon that is the first rugged Android phone. I work in an industrial environment, and I am hoping it is a good phone for me. I am not complaining, because there is no release pending and no advertisement pushing it. I know I need to wait. No other phone release has ever received this much push without a release date or without already being out. Not the iPhone, not the EVO or EVO shift, not the first dual core AT&T, super charged, portable laptop phone ATRIX. Only the T-Bolt. It is poor planning.
As for comparing this to a movie teaser trailer, that is solid. Except no movie maker has ever, EVER, put out a teaser trailer without a release date attached to it. "Cloverfield" didn't have a NAME for the movie yet, so do you know what they used instead at the end of the trailer? Wait for it.... the release date.
I ain't mad for me. I hate seeing people get jacked around.

posted on 10 Mar 2011, 13:28 1

112. tragichero (Posts: 163; Member since: 07 Jan 2011)


the release day is by the end of q2.... and iphone is debateable. apple may not create an add or commercial for it but there is enough marketing going down in every media outlet that apple doesnt need to promote it a year in advance. they can create a commercial a day before the release but everyone would already know about it. good to see though that you have a good sense of humor.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 15:51 2

50. networkdood (Posts: 6250; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


technically, Verizon does states that they plan to release the THUNDERBOLT by end of 2nd quarter - which is June 30th, at the latest - of course, plans can be changed.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 21:59 1

78. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)


welcome to marketing 101. Verizon as a company as we have seen from the article above is that 4G phones were promised before the first half of 2011. So what's the frustration about? At this point neither HTC nor Verizon have broken any promise & if anything may be ahead of the game. what has caused this "Froyo-like" impatience is projected release dates based on this or that from sources that aren't reliable. Some how "coming soon" has translated to dates from Feb. 24th to Mar. 10th but who from HTC's or Verizon's camp has started or confirmed these speculations? Whether its issues with network connectivity, creating more of a buzz, or some other unknown reason HTC nor Verizon has given a release date. To me it seems like a bunch of excited people who's excitement has turned to impatience b/c of falling for the bait of unofficial information. Once again, you have consumers blaming companies instead of taking responsibility for their own actions...its not their fault that you are impatient. i hate analyst & especially when they are right b/c the minute that they are wrong everyone doesn't get pissed off at the analyst...they get pissed at the company.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 11:16 2

7. BaiGanyo (Posts: 308; Member since: 07 Feb 2011)


I'll take the Wimax I've been using for a year and a half over the promised verizon 4g anyday. Something is very fishy about their LTE network. They offer few devices for it and have priced it in a way that would dissuade almost anyone from wanting to use it, yet they advertise it all the time. I'm calling bull shit on them. Somethings up and they don't want to admit it.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 11:35 2

11. tedkord (Posts: 4277; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


They haven't priced it at all for phones, as far as I know, and have priced it for USB modems LOWER than the 3G plans. What are you talking about?

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 13:21 3

22. hmcougar09 (Posts: 137; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


You're stupid. LTE is better than WiMax. So get reallll. Why is Sprint making the move to LTE by 2013? Yea, shut up.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 13:35 1

26. BaiGanyo (Posts: 308; Member since: 07 Feb 2011)


Even if it's better, verizon is super high priced, and I have been using wimax for quite some time now. What do I mean by high priced? How about no unlimited plan no matter how much you will pay. That's high priced.

Sprint MIGHT move to LTE, but their wimax started rolling out in 2008. Verizon sat there with their thumbs up their butts for 3 years and still aren't really doing anything. Anything coming out 3 or 4 years later is probably going to be better. That's just the way it works.

So hmcougar09, you have used wimax and lte both and are making an intelligent and educated comparison? Yeah, didn't think so.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 22:37 3

80. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)


Well i mean to be honest BaiGanyo...Sprint has been proclaiming that WiMaxx is the best thing since sliced bread & positioning it as a rivaling force to the alternate 4G technology which is LTE but then having plans (or even considering) moving to that LTE that they compete against...doesn't speak good about the current technology they promote. If it is reliable I would think you would just improve upon that. On paper, WiMax in terms of potential of upload speeds, latency, & spectrum don't look too great when you compare it to LTE's potential (& actual). Various 4G speed tests done by 3rd party companies never reveal WiMax leading in any category. In the land of predominant 3G WiMaxx has been a big fish in a small pond as for right now...but i think ultimately Sprint doesn't believe WiMaxx will be a contender when LTE becomes more widespread hence their "might" to move to LTE.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 23:25 1

84. BaiGanyo (Posts: 308; Member since: 07 Feb 2011)


It's faster than Vzw 3g, and for the last 2 or 3 years, that's the best vzw had. If you wanna compare older technology to future tech, you'll get the same result every time. But you're still comparing what Sprint HAS HAD for years to what Vzw STILL DOES NOT HAVE. When they finally get a phone that has 4g on it, feel free to give a call with it. Until then, you're just talking out your ass and you know it. My contract for Sprint 4G will be long over by the time verizon even gets around to rolling it out.

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 12:14

99. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)


what are you talking about future tech? Verizon flipped the switch on 4G back in Dec. 2010. there are no 4G smartphones but the do have devices that support 4G. whats unfortunate is that to your point Sprint has had WiMaxx for years but is still left behind by the INITIAL rollout of LTE. so again Sprint loses...thats why they are looking at LTE b/c they realize WiMaxx is not fit for the long term. thats what Sprint does tho...rush to be the first to do something but always ends up getting dwarfed in the end. face it BaiGanyo...you are defending a company that a: has no money and b: doesnt fully believe in their own technology. so you have a recipe for chaos that they may or may not be able to recoup from. the hole for Sprint is getting deeper and the funds ran out a long time ago thats why good ol' Danny is kicking around the idea of LTE. you think they are offering the Everything plan b/c they want to? they have to...what other bait do they have? any argument defending Sprint has no foundation to stand on b/c everyone knows their sad state of affairs. so you my friend...post away but like they say in chess...checkmate.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 16:03 2

51. tragichero (Posts: 163; Member since: 07 Jan 2011)


baiganyo... you are a retard. sprint will be moving to lte (the global standard) anyway ... in which case they will be behind verizon at that point. verizon is yet to release smartphones for their lte network so when you say "they offer few devices for it and have priced it in a way that would dissuade almost anyone from wanting to uise it" is total BS.

1. there is no pricing for the 4g network with lte phones yet.
2. there are four phones to be released before june on verizon with the LTE network. I think sprint only has 2 or 3 on the slower wimax network. does the evo shift even use wimax?...

case and point.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 18:55 1

68. BaiGanyo (Posts: 308; Member since: 07 Feb 2011)


i never said phone. I meant data. Who knows what year verizon will actually have an lte voice phone. at this rate, 2015. all that can use lte for right now is data so that's what i'm talking about. get with it.

posted on 10 Mar 2011, 13:40 1

113. tragichero (Posts: 163; Member since: 07 Jan 2011)


when you say "How about no unlimited plan no matter how much you will pay. That's high priced." and then you say "i never said phone. I meant data. Who knows what year verizon will actually have an lte voice phone. at this rate, 2015. all that can use lte for right now is data so that's what i'm talking about. get with it." its misleading. currently there is no unlimited plan for 4g aircards and the 4g phones to be released wont start with 4g voice but will have 4g data (which may or may not be unlimited key is that you dont know) . so dont try and blend the two. this is about 4g phones not aircards. as for your comment about 4g voice not comming till 2015, your totally guessing. the revolution actually is already doing that.... so i would say that they are on a much faster pace then you are leading people to believe.

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 14:38

105. snowgator (Posts: 3188; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


According to Bloomberg, been quoting them a lot lately, Mr Hess (Sprint CEO) has said any future decisions will include Clearwire as a partner and wimax tech. (He wouldn't comment on T-Mobile merger talks.) He didn't say no LTE, just that Sprint would continue to partner with Clearwire.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 11:17 6

8. WirelessCon (Posts: 309; Member since: 11 May 2010)


AT&T enhancing their HSPA+ before going LTE is beginning to look like a genius move. I thought it was stupid and pointless, but those HSPA+ speeds will be pretty smooth by the end of the year and give customers decent speeds as they travel from LTE to HSPA+ and back again. If AT&T wasn't so damn expensive and provided unlimited data fewer people would need land based internet.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 16:10 1

52. tragichero (Posts: 163; Member since: 07 Jan 2011)


good that you mentioned atts lack of unlimited data... but you forgot to mention reliability... being fast is great but with out the reliability and unlimited internet.. verizon is the better deal for the same price if not less.

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 02:16

87. clevername (Posts: 1428; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)


"...Depending on your area" is the phrase that should have ended your statement. Reliability depends on your area. In mine I rarely drop calls and get data at speeds consistently over 4.2mb/s. IN MY AREA. It's not a small town but it's not over 2 million ppl either. Go to LA or frisco or NY and the story changes.

But their strategy is sound either way. LTE data may not always be available. So let phone fall back on 14-21 mb/s HSPA+ and att can say they never lose 4G. And they never lose speed.

posted on 10 Mar 2011, 13:43 1

114. tragichero (Posts: 163; Member since: 07 Jan 2011)


depending on your area??? pretty sure verizon covers about 99% of all atts area. lol. so... hence the more reliable network everywhere... unless you live in that 1% where att get coverage that verizon doesnt..... and when i say 1% im rounding up lol

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 11:25 2

10. Sniggly (Posts: 6697; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Why the hell am I getting downthumbed? Are you lurking, Gemini?

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 13:37 1

28. BaiGanyo (Posts: 308; Member since: 07 Feb 2011)


You mean Gemini and it's 50 different log in names so he can try to control the thumbs up/down wars. It's sad.

posted on 08 Mar 2011, 11:47 1

12. Hallucinator (Posts: 339; Member since: 24 May 2010)


I like apple, all be it less and less every day but I gave you a thumbs up anyway. Just to keep the peace.

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