The state of Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich updates
Sony Ericsson has also given us a vague promise that it will bring ICS to its devices, but there it seems that the situation will depend a lot on Sony, which is taking over the company in the near future.
1. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
Why does Sony Ericsson get sure updates usually? the x10 was supposed to be up to 2.1, then all of the sudden there is gingerbread.
ICS FOR ATRIX PLEASE. Motorola!!!
35. choupino (Posts: 60; Member since: 28 May 2011)
bobfrekin55 READ CAREFULLY: "Motorola, which is now closer to Google than any other phone manufacturer, seems to be the only company which has given us exact time frames. Moto has pledged to deliver ICS updates six weeks after Google pushes the public release."
If you own a Motorola Atrix 4G, that pertains to you. It clearly states that you have the device from the only manufacturer that has a clear update time frame. RELAX. :)
37. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5478; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
it actually does not pertain to the Motorola Atrix. it uses a Nvidia Tegra II processor. the phones that were confirmed to be getting the updates 6 weeks after it's release are the Droid Bionic and the Droid Razr both of which use the OMAP4 processor that ICS was made to work with from the ground up.
62. VZWuser76 (Posts: 981; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
Maybe I'm not understanding, but public release of ICS was December 15th, 2011 (Galaxy Nexus on Verizon), not counting the presser in Asia a month earlier. If that's the case they're already late then aren't they? Currently we're at week 8.
43. ivanprskalo (Posts: 102; Member since: 09 Dec 2010)
Because they work and it seem they care now...
44. Droidude (Posts: 17; Member since: 04 Jul 2010)
Will the Droid 3 be updated? The software is pretty similiar to the Bionic. I would be really happy if that were to happen at some point. The Droid 3 has been really good since the software update.
45. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5478; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
i'm sure it will be it's just not confirmed yet. that's all this list is made of is devices actually confirmed to be getting the update.
2. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you forgot the original galaxyS which samsung also pledged to support with ICS with their "all 9xxx series phones will have ICS"
(it is the exact same thing as the nexus S after all )
4. roldefol (Posts: 2855; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
This brings up a very very good question about ICS re: skins. ICS is a fully developed UI in a way 2.x was not. I suspect some of the skins like TouchWiz and Optimus came about because people were expecting (or the manufacturers *thought* we were expecting) a friendly iOS-like UI. Others like Sense evolved from custom WinMo skins legacy smartphone owners were accustomed to. So now that ICS comes along with its own solid look and feel, menu animations and the like, what will become of skinning in general?
Is there a concern that the move from the existing 2.x skin to stock ICS would be too jarring for current owners? I suspect in Samsung's case, they'll adapt ICS to TouchWiz's bright, AMOLED-friendly scheme. Ditto HTC and Sense - someone who's used to seeing Sense might not like the coolness of stock ICS. But Gingerblur is a pretty serious, cool UI to begin with, so Moto may be a great fit for stock ICS (as well they should be, should the Google acquisition go through).
6. terabyteRouser (Posts: 406; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
You're absolutely right. ICS makes all of these skins arguably useless.
8. roldefol (Posts: 2855; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Arguably, yes, but not entirely. Sense is an integral part of the HTC look/feel/experience. I can't see HTC giving it up just because stock is now just as functional. And I believe Samsung will keep using TouchWiz to appeal to the masses who like the iOS look and feel.
I don't think skins are going away, and that means much longer waits for ICS on 2.x devices.
21. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
hopefully they will take the same route as Samsung did with honeycomb and just add the widgets and only do very very minor changes to differentiate. the less they change, the faster future updates can come. :)
70. Lucas777 (Posts: 2121; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
but then how will manufacturers differentiate themselves? if nobody used skins then there would be no difference between many android devices
9. Victor.H (Posts: 377; Member since: 27 May 2011)
Thanks, remixfa, I've added the Galaxy S to the table as well. I just wish Samsung said when will those updates start rolling out!
22. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
who knows.. lol. if history is an example, korea will see it Q1, europe Q2, and america will get it through samsung's constant leaks to samsungfirmwares.com and XDA since american carriers seem to hate to allow phones to update for some reason
26. windowsRocks (Posts: 147; Member since: 28 Oct 2011)
I dont see Galaxy S2 in the list however it should be added first
54. PostalJim (Posts: 46; Member since: 01 Sep 2011)
I dont trust anything Samsung says. My son now has my Infuse and I'm still waiting for GINGERBREAD on that!!!! They implied it would get GB almost a year ago!
39. GoodFella (Posts: 112; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
I am curious to see what the next cyanogenmod will look like after they put ICS on steroids
3. avmitking (Posts: 4; Member since: 29 Aug 2011)
One more devise has rumor to have ICS, Notio Ink's Adam tablet
5. terabyteRouser (Posts: 406; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Talk is cheap.
Lesson I have learned about all this. Buy the device that has what you want on it already. Have no faith in these companies to fulfill their promises in a timely manner.
11. vette21man (Posts: 351; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)
I disagree with your philosophy, terabyteRouser. Look at the HP TouchPad. That guy will never get another update ever. If you witness bugs in the OS, they'll never get fixed. If there are features you wish it had, they'll never get there.
With today's tech regardless of device (ps3, media player, phone, etc.) it's pretty comforting knowing that a updates are regularly released with bug fixes and new features to keep your device feeling new again.
Then again, if you're part of the Android rooting and ROM'ing community, you don't care how long it takes for updates, but these folks are not the majority of smart phone users.
18. terabyteRouser (Posts: 406; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
I agree with you. I was not referring to other devices; I guess I should've been more clear. Buy the "Android device" that has what you want. Updates are typically a non-issue with these other devices. It's just that updates for Android devices have been notably abysmal. The HP TouchPad thing is sort of a different story. It's sort of like a person who bought a Sega Saturn. Unfortunately they just invested in losing technology.
20. vette21man (Posts: 351; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)
Right, I guess my main point is that you are not only buying a smart phone for today, you are investing in it for the next 24mos. I expect my new phone to be updatable for at least those 24mos.
It's like getting married...you are marrying the person for who they are GOING to be, not the person they are TODAY. Ok maybe TODAY has something to do with it, but you just can't expect them to be the exact same person in the future.
23. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you never buy a phone and expect anything but what is on it. If there is a bug you should expect it to be fixed, but there should be no expectation of an OS update unless told so by the manufacturer, not by some sales rep.
30. vette21man (Posts: 351; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)
I think you have become desensitized to NOT receiving updates because of the fragmentation present in Android.
When buying a phone that has an expected life of only 2-3 years, I expect feature updates, bug fixes, and OS upgrades throughout those 2-3 years.
If 1-year old devices aren't getting those upgrades anymore, why would I want to buy those brand devices in the future if I know they won't be supported for long?
I think the consumer has every right to expect these updates.
34. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
no, i think the opposite is true. I think people have become OVER SENSITIVE because of the initial fragmentation issues. Until android came around you NEVER heard a bunch of people screaming about updates and versions all the time. It was just a very small group of people that even knew or cared.
In all my years, i never heard anyone screaming about windows phone 5xx/6xx upgrades, or the latest blackberry version...
no this problem of update madness is a pure google issue.
63. VZWuser76 (Posts: 981; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
Before the OG Droid & Eris came to Verizon, some of the guys worked with were constantly checking the Crackberry forums for new versions or bug fixes.
As far as not expecting updates, when Rubin came out and said that all android phones would be updated for 18 months after launch, I would expect it, seeing he's the guy people look to for all things android.
24. roldefol (Posts: 2855; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
That's got to be one of the worst analogies I've ever seen on this site. Sure, you may be marrying a self-centered materialistic bitch today, but I'm sure your gentle and fun-loving nature will transform her into a loving, caring woman in a few years' time. Plus she's smokin' hot, right?
29. vette21man (Posts: 351; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)
Um....sir? Completely missing the point. In your scenario, you shouldn't be getting married in the first place.
The point is not, "Oh, if only I could change her...I know! I'll get married!!"
It is, "I love you for the person you are today, and for whomever you become in the future."
The point is that you expect the smart phone and the marriage to evolve and keep up with time. We expect an update here and there for the phone, and when the wife becomes a crack addict we will still love her and whisk her safely off to rehab.
31. roldefol (Posts: 2855; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Well, keeping to your analogy, take the HTC Rezound. It's pretty (720p S-LCD), has unique skills (Beats) and a great personality (Sense), but it may be stuck living in the past (Gingerbread). You hope that it'll grow and change (upgrade to ICS), but it's got a lot of emotional baggage holding it back (also Sense).
You're marrying the phone as is, and you have to be realistic about its ability to grow and change and when. Hope for updates, but don't count on them. If you don't like the phone it is today, don't marry it.
64. VZWuser76 (Posts: 981; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
It's not a question of if the Rezound get's ICS, but when. They publicly stated at launch that it would get ICS. If they renig on that they could be looking at lawsuits for false advertising, bait & switch, etc. It's not like they just implied it may get it, they flat out said it.
59. cellphonator (Posts: 298; Member since: 29 Oct 2011)
LOL. I like this comparison! If only there were updates for wives!
25. ickyob (Posts: 24; Member since: 19 Mar 2010)
Hey I had a Sega Saturn! That thing rocked!!! So much better than original PS1 :)
12. clevername (Posts: 1404; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
That's why I plan to buy the galaxy nexus and leave it at that. Site the RAZR is tempting but I don't want ics skinned, and I want every update when it's released.
7. squallz506 (banned) (Posts: 1075; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
this list is WAY too short, where's the XOOM? the BIONIC? the transformer? any HTC phones?
13. Victor.H (Posts: 377; Member since: 27 May 2011)
Thanks for mentioning those two Motorolas, adding them as well. When it comes to HTC, though, I haven't read any firm commitment to specific devices getting bumped up to ICS. Will update as soon as there's more info on that!
10. skymitch89 (Posts: 982; Member since: 05 Nov 2010)
It would be nice for HTC to update the Evo Shift to ICS, but at the sametime I think that they're probably going to only update the dual-core devices to ICS becasue of all the advancements in it. I just hope that HTC releases a dual-core device that also has a physical QWERTY keyboard.
14. chuckyoo (Posts: 34; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Best thing is to wait for the prime to drop and then get it with 4.0. I rather have that skin than any other but then again I want the note.
15. tsets (Posts: 11; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)
Well they are in a big mess the thing is that companies that skin their android versions(ahem all androids out there!)would have a rough time because ram may be getting bigger but how much is user accesible?their software eats away at your ram!think Sense why do they have a problem?because even a high(no so long ago)desire hd is left out of ics!?why?
17. roldefol (Posts: 2855; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Did any of the big manufacturers know how huge a difference there would be between Android 2.3 and 4.0? Maybe they got lulled into complacency by the 2.1/2.2/2.3 gradual evolution and thought their skins would continue to be a necessity.
19. GALAXY-S (Posts: 701; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)
Im really excited to see this update on my htc sensation.. I really dont care for sense at all in fact i have not used it at all since i got the phone instead i use Go Launcher Ex.. When i had the galaxy s and mytouch 4g i never used the manufacturer skins and im pretty sure alot of people will not care if ICS doesnt have those skins installed
27. Sniggly (Posts: 6468; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I think a big issue that the manufacturers have to look at is the issue of skins, as mentioned above. With its tarted up interface (Yahtzee reference for the win!) and added functionality, it really does kill much of the reasons any manufacturers had for the skins. ICS is also not nearly as bare bones looking as its predecessors, so it would be difficult to add extra effects and keep the looks that the skins have had without the effect being jarring. Out of the three major skins, I'll pick Sense as the most likely survivor, because it was already pretty different from stock Android and adds functionality like lock screen accessible apps that stock still hasn't fully realized. HTC is also really, really proud of Sense, and let's face it, it's a freaking gorgeous skin. On the other hand, much of Blur's added functionality (increased customization, graphical effects, integrated task killer) are being included on ICS, with the only major missing feature being social networking integration. Therefore, I can see Moto putting in the social networking widgets but leaving much of ICS stock or only minorly changed.
As for Touchwiz, I predict much of the same. And if the companies are to include their own skins, they have to go back to the drawing board in order to come up with new, consistent looks AND come up with even more features to add to justify the skins, while also doing testing to make sure that ICS AND the skins work well on the phones they update without any crippling bugs or bricked devices.
28. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5478; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
thanks for reminding me there's a Zero Punctuation video up today. xD
32. LAmDroid (Posts: 2; Member since: 02 Nov 2011)
No mention of the Droid3 that came out just a month or so behind the Bionic?
33. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5478; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
there's no actual hard confirmation that it's getting it but i can guarantee you it will. ICS 4 D3 PRETTY PL0X!
36. Stuntman (Posts: 665; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)
OK. So I see the headline of this article and decided to check it out. To my disappointment, the Asus Eee Pad Transformer was not in your table. I thought I remember reading about it some time ago.
Then I read the comments and it seems that there were many devices not on the list and the author is relying on commenters to write this article. Well, here's my contribution: www.pocket-lint.com/news/42628/asus-eee-pad-transformer-ice-cream-sandwich
41. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5478; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
dunno. maybe, maybe not. time will tell. patience friend.
42. ray985 (Posts: 1; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)
Motorola did not pledge updates within 6 weeks of release, they pledged to give an update timeline by 6 weeks after the release of ICS. It was widely misreported from their initial tweet and then corrected in many blogs.
67. gallitoking (Posts: 4630; Member since: 17 May 2011)
they also said they will unlocked the bootloaders..
46. SoopaManLuv (Posts: 24; Member since: 11 Aug 2011)
Ok, for u moto fans, if its a recently released phone u should get tha update 22 ICS as soon as its available. I only say thus cause with my DroidX when I got it froyo had jus came out and it updated 2 that tha day after I got it. When gingerbread came out it got that update not long after tha release. So what I'm saying is Motorola (in MY experience) is good wit keep up with tha updates. Now I know my X won't get ICS but that's ok, leaning towards tha nexus or DROID Prime or whatever they gonna call. That way I won't have 2 worry about getting updated 2 ICS. Jus saying...
47. KaloqnYo (Posts: 22; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
Xperia Mini should also be in the list because Xperia mini pro is there and they are with same hardware !
48. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5478; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
this is a table for CONFIRMED handsets. if it hasn't been said by name it's going to be updated then it's off the table.
49. KaloqnYo (Posts: 22; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
But If Xperia mini pro is there mini also should be !!!!!!!!!!!
50. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5478; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
yes i'm sure it probably will be updated but no one knows for sure.
my Droid 3 is pretty much a Droid Bionic sans the LTE but it being updated hasn't been confirmed yet so it's not on this table like the Bionic is.
51. KaloqnYo (Posts: 22; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
OK You are right! Thanks for the attention ! :))
52. JGuinan007 (Posts: 605; Member since: 19 May 2011)
What about the desire HD or Inspire 4g?
when will they be updated?
53. ilia1986 (unregistered)
I wish the iPhone 4 was also in the list.. :(