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Samsung allegedly in talks with Sony to get the Xperia Z5 camera sensor for the Galaxy S7

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Samsung allegedly in talks with Sony to get the Xperia Z5 camera sensor for the Galaxy S7
Samsung's upcoming Galaxy S7 was last rumored to host a 20 MP camera, with the company's brand new ISOCELL sensor of that resolution, which would be an upgrade over the current 16 MP unit that the Galaxy S6 is outfitted with, at least in terms of resolution count.

Sony's new IMX300 sensor, however, has apparently impressed Samsung so much, that the company wants to have it in the Galaxy S7, concurrently with the ISOCELL piece. It's not clear if Samsung will use the two sensors interchangeably, but given its track record, it might, so you could get a Galaxy S7 either with a Samsung, or a Sony sensor, depending on the region and model.

The IMX300 can be found in the Xperia Z5 trio, and already made a lasting impression over at DxOMark, occupying the top spot in their mobile camera test rankings. The problem is that Sony wanted to keep the sensor exclusive for its own Xperia line, and Samsung is allegedly in hard negotiations to get a hold on a batch for the S7. Given the millions of units that the Galaxy S7 will likely sell, Sony might very well crack and supply the goods, as its mobile camera sensor business is one of the few bright spots in its financial sheet right now.

There is speculation that the IMX300 is actually a 25 MP sensor, with some unutilized corners to scale it down to 23 MP in a 16:9 aspect ratio, or 21 MP in a regular 4:3 format, respectively. This has allegedly presented a problem for Samsung, whose own sensor is 20 MP - it can't advertise the Galaxy S7 with both 20 and 23 MP sensors, after all, so it has apparently decided to use some clever compression tricks to even out the 20 MP marks.

Samsung allegedly in talks with Sony to get the Xperia Z5 camera sensor for the Galaxy S7

The IMX300 has a 192-point hybrid autofocus system, which is allowing the Xperia Z5 trio to have the fastest focusing times of a 0.03 second minimum. Samsung's own 20 MP ISOCELL is built on a power-efficient 28nm process, and features a new RWB color pattern for enhancing light sensitivity and improving the signal to noise ratio in low-light conditions, so whichever sensor the company places in the Galaxy S7 should create sights to behold.

source: Weibo via ITHome

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posted on 02 Nov 2015, 03:37 4

1. Baracus (Posts: 223; Member since: 15 Sep 2012)


Cameras need to be compressed less not more.

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 04:03 10

6. FaisalWibowo11 (Posts: 163; Member since: 12 Aug 2013)


It's not compression, dude. From Z5 samples i've seen all over the net, 8MP images weigh at 4-5MB (some even touch 5.5MB). Quite larger than iPhone 6s' 12MP images which only weigh 3MB on average.

In my opinion it's image processing, it still has traces of oversharpening and not so good noise reduction (better than last year Z-Flagship though). Sony needs to fix that so its image quality can be superior to those of competitor, especially in low light.

Even at current time, Z5's 23MP image is sharper than S6's 16MP image at daylight. If Sony balances the image processing then Sony will have image quality much better then any of its competitors in all conditions.

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 04:14

9. Baracus (Posts: 223; Member since: 15 Sep 2012)


Compression is just another word for image processing for anything involved in converting the raw image to the Jpeg.

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 07:20 1

38. Jango (Posts: 326; Member since: 24 Oct 2014)


But have you even seen the camera comparisons online? The Z5 camera is nearly as bad as the Z3. It simply isn't up to par with the competition. Samsung currently have the best sensor. I call this a false flag.

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 08:39

44. kent-gaga (Posts: 505; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)


not really
I've had a chance to use different Z5s and somehow one of them gives great photos, especially the sharpness. It's as good as (or in some situations, better than) the Galaxy Note 5, the other one is as bad as the Z3/Z3+. Both of them are prototypes and the last one give average result, sometimes great but most of the time is inferior to the Note 5.
I'm just guessing but I feel like the Z5's having some trouble with it's softwares across devices, not because it's meant to be bad

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 10:34

60. Jango (Posts: 326; Member since: 24 Oct 2014)


This has got to be one of the worst excuses ever made

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 12:05 1

69. DoggyDangerous (Posts: 893; Member since: 28 Aug 2015)


Surely Software is the problem bcoz Samsung and lg are also using Sony made sensors but they out class Sony in image quality. But why Samsung wants to put 23mp sensor? It will produce rediculously large jpeg files. File size of 10mb or more is not practical. I take and email pictures with my mobile phone on daily basis. I know how problematic it is to email more than 5 pics at a time. Google has done a great job by putting 12mp sensor with larger pixel size instead of more resolution.

This 23mp sensor should be used in Lumia devices only bcoz we can create 2mp and 5mp preview pics with great quality and lesser file size without any loss in image quality.

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 20:02

79. cheetah2k (Posts: 1594; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)


Sony should swap their Z5 sensors for the S7 Exynos CPU and get away from this Qualcomm fktardrubbishoverheatingpieceofs**t

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 06:14 6

24. hellbread (Posts: 309; Member since: 21 Nov 2014)


They should sell them battery management tricks also...

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 06:33 3

26. pwnarena (Posts: 1129; Member since: 15 Feb 2013)


samsung is already doing a great job in that department.
the s6 outscores the z5 in the gsmarena battery test even with its smaller battery.

actually, sony's battery management deteriorated if we were to believe gsmarena's tests. the z3 compact reached 102 hours while the z5 compact barely scratched the 80-hour level despite having a bigger battery and the same display size and resolution.

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 06:41 2

30. UglyFrank (Posts: 1722; Member since: 23 Jan 2014)


You know that is the S810 though.
If the Z5 Compact it had the S801/S805/7420 etc. It would has probably got more than 102 hours standby time.

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 07:49

40. Taters (banned) (Posts: 6474; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


I had the Z3 with the SD801 and it lasted 3 days on kit kat but it halved to 1 1/2 to 2 days on lollipop.

I get the same results, 1 and half to 2 days on my gs6 after I turn the gps off.

So I think Samsung is fine there and just chose performance and looks over battery life like they have to in order to stay on top.

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 06:53 1

33. FaisalWibowo11 (Posts: 163; Member since: 12 Aug 2013)


SD 810 is one thing to blame. Battery management on software side, Sony is doing better than LG, HTC, Xiaomi, and others. Logically put, let's say this (from GSMa battery test):

- Z3 Compact, 2600mah battery, SD 801, 4.6"HD screen: 101h
- Z5 Compact, 2700mah battey, SD 810, 4.6" HD screen: 86h

If Z5 compact were to use the same SD 801 as Z3 compact, then endurance rating will eclipse 115h mark. If Z5 compact uses SD 805, or Exynos 7420 it'll pass 130h+.

And SD810 is one reason I won't replace my good old Z2 with Z5.

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 10:06

53. marorun (Posts: 3911; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


86H dont seem bad at all.

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 11:34 1

66. UglyFrank (Posts: 1722; Member since: 23 Jan 2014)


Not bad at all but considering it could be better and you know that it is due to a bad SoC, you feel somewhat short changed.

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 03:42 1

2. fyahking (Posts: 956; Member since: 28 Jan 2015)


I will buy that s7!

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 03:43

3. pwnarena (Posts: 1129; Member since: 15 Feb 2013)


rumor rumor.
sony likely won't say no.
they can just develop a better one for their next device.
IF their mobile division still exists by then.

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 04:23 2

10. vincelongman (Posts: 4569; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


IMO its likely Sony will say yes
They did make the custom IMX240 for Samsung and many custom sensors for Apple

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 06:35 2

27. pwnarena (Posts: 1129; Member since: 15 Feb 2013)


yeah
i said won't say no.
wil say yes.
they can't afford to lose a big time business opportunity like orders from samsung.

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 03:43

4. AZNHA (unregistered)


good luck , samsung

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 03:49 2

5. kkmkk (Posts: 493; Member since: 06 May 2013)


i dont think that this sensor is good enough for the s7 TBH

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 04:09 7

7. RajRicardo (Posts: 401; Member since: 28 Feb 2014)


mixed with Samsungs image processing algorithms, it will be a killer.

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 04:11 3

8. kent-gaga (Posts: 505; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)


the IMX240 is a special version of the IMX230 (in terms of technology and features) that Sony made exclusively for Samsung, and who can say that it's bad?
At the end of the day, it all comes down to the post processing that define if the result photos are great or not

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 04:42

11. S.A.S.P (Posts: 19; Member since: 06 Sep 2015)


IMX240 has the same technology as ISOCELL(actually IMX240 is ISOCELL that manufactured by Sony)
IMX230 doesn't have PDAF and isolated pixels like ISOCELL do

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 06:07 1

21. kent-gaga (Posts: 505; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)


no
IMX230 is different than samsung's ISOCELL but they have the same set of features such as PDAF and realtime HDR
Check here:http://www.xperiablog.net/2015/07/28/motorola-moto-x-style-uses-the-sony-imx230-camera-sensor-when-will-we-see-it-in-an-xperia-device/
btw if it's Samsung's tech and Sony's just helping them with the manufacturing process then it should still be called ISOCELL, not one of the IMX series

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 06:49 1

32. S.A.S.P (Posts: 19; Member since: 06 Sep 2015)


IMX230 Release date was April 2015 but IMX240 was used in galaxy note4 for the first time(in 2014) so how it can be "special version of the IMX230 " ?
btw none of Sony sensor's had PDAF before 2015
your right about IMX series and Sony name. But I have a question from you
can you find any information about IMX240?like Release date and technology's and etc.?(from Sony's official website)(as you may know IMX240 is a top flagship sensor!)

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 06:53 1

34. Genza (Posts: 540; Member since: 12 Mar 2014)


"if it's Samsung's tech and Sony's just helping them with the manufacturing process then it should still be called ISOCELL, not one of the IMX series"

Yeah that's true, just like what Apple do with their A series chipsets.
Samsung also bragging about their ISOCELL sensor in S5 but we don't see it with their latest flagships.

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 09:05

48. kent-gaga (Posts: 505; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)


that's simple, because they use both the ISOCELL and IMX sensors on the S6/Note 5 and it's nowhere close to easy to promote a phone with 2 different sensors inside without confusing the consumers
and the reason why they bragged about the first ISOCELL sensor was because they need people to know about it and what it can do, in order to help them improve upon it (or many other reasons that you can think of, i dont know)

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 06:42 3

31. Genza (Posts: 540; Member since: 12 Mar 2014)


Lol... Very obviously you do not know anything about what you're talking about, and maybe that's why you make up the story.

Sony IMX240 is not the so-called ISOCELL that manufactured by Sony.
Sony IMX240 is pure Sony sensor that manufactured based on Sony image sensor technology.

Samsung may be the first to use the DTI technology but they were not the first to develop the technology and you can also find a patent on DTI from various different companies.

Let me show differences in implementation between Sony and Samsung DTI tech.

Samsung.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xROCIXiC9Ho/VifqLWaKspI/AAAAAAAANsQ/4fKJHn6-Ou4/s1600/Samsung%2BMobile%2BCIS-1.JPG

Sony.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Z7l8wj02h14/VikpSejghnI/AAAAAAAANvM/85ajFkCP0qE/s1600/Sony%2B3G-LTE-2.JPG

As you can see Sony sensor is doing a better isolation thanks to Sony on chip microlens design.

And I think there is a reason why Samsung send their phones that using Sony sensor to most well known reviewers.

IMX230 has more PDAF points than any ISOCELL sensor on the market and it is true so far there is no info if IMX230 uses DTI technology, but since IMX230 supports HDR features up to 4K that previously not available in the first generation of Sony Exmor RS sensor i'm pretty sure IMX230 is already uses Sony DTI tech.

More info about IMX230.
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201411/14-112E/index.html

This is problably a sneak peak for the image sensor in Samsung flagships.
"Sony also plans to extend the lineup by adding a 16 effective megapixels stacked CMOS image sensor equipped with image plane phase detection AF and HDR imaging functions by the end of the next fiscal year."

posted on 02 Nov 2015, 07:08

35. S.A.S.P (Posts: 19; Member since: 06 Sep 2015)


oh your right! can you explain me what's that date for?!
(Sony 7| 2015.9.16)!
and can you find any sensor since 2014 that have both PDAF and isolated pixels from Sony?

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