Microsoft's Head of Windows Phone tweets from an iPhone, tries out iOS 7.1
A few minutes after the initial tweet - which included a photo of Bill and Melinda Gates speaking during TED - Joe Belfiore mentioned that “yes, it's an iPhone today”, because he’s “trying out iOS 7.1.”
Unfortunately for us, Joe Belfiore will probably keep the thoughts on iOS 7.1 to himself and a handful of other Microsoft employees.
13. Glim12808 (Posts: 393; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
True - Microsoft copied from their own former Windows Mobile OS, from which iOS and Android also copied. All these features were already present in Microsoft's Windows Mobile OS.
17. akki20892 (Posts: 3445; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
Of copying dude, if someone introduce first OS, then other see and make different OS. Isn't copying.
3. alterecho (Posts: 1082; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)
Oh, so HE is responsible for the design of Windows Phone.
He should have tried out other OS long ago.
But i think the real reason he's trying out other OS is because he's out of ideas.
Or his WP device messed up.
MS hire someone better for your (our) sake.
7. SemperFiV12 (Posts: 756; Member since: 09 Nov 2010)
I am sorry you had a bad experience with Windows Phone. Your opinions are very strong, and very close minded... some of which I do not tend to agree with. Perhaps with the 8.1 release, you may dislike it less.
But you may have to come to a realization that WP may not be the OS for you. I do not see the use in coming into every thread and slamming it.
For instance, I returned to Android from WP recently and have been disappointed (two phones in comparison: Lumia 925, Nexus 5.) Not that I do not think Android is a great OS, but for my preferences I tend to like WP in many areas. But you do not see me going and slamming all the Android threads. You may dislike WP, more than I prefer WP to Android... but hey, if it's not right for you now - as I said - maybe in the future. Maybe not.
That is all.
8. alterecho (Posts: 1082; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)
I believe that Microsoft, is using us, the people who indirectly pay THEM for an OS for our smartphones, as target practice/trial runs.
Back when WP7.5 was out, when people questioned Microsoft whether current devices would be upgraded to the next iteration, they kept quiet. So their intentions were to keep consumers in the dark, so that they would buy the WP7 devices already on store shelves.
As a user of WP7.5, i am 100% sure that they could have made WP8 work on those devices, since there are hardly any noticeabale improvements.
Looking at WP7.5 and WP8, their incompetence is just staggering.
There are several key things missing in WP, that WP fans are oblivious to, and shower nonsensical praise on WP. Thats distortion of facts and i can't just standby.
9. Karriope (Posts: 95; Member since: 07 Jun 2013)
Last I checked WP8 is supposed to have a whole new kernel (NT based, 7 had a CE based kernel) that's similar to Windows 8 on a computer.
So... updating WP7 to WP8 may not be too straightforward.
10. alterecho (Posts: 1082; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)
Windows 8 can be installed on a computer running Windows 7. They are different kernels, too.
11. Karriope (Posts: 95; Member since: 07 Jun 2013)
But bear in mind that PC architecture is drastically different from mobile phone architecture. Windows is written with a multitude of generic drivers inside, and with an explicit upgrade feature in Win8 installation.
Although the Windows 8 installation can be used to retain files it may require program reinstalls.
Windows Phone is a fairly different thing altogether, and remember how Windows CE couldn't upgrade to Windows NT directly too? The way apps are run is different, a lot of things are different at the core.
On the other hand you probably are well aware that updates are also dependent largely on the device's manufacturer. I'd like to find out why WP7 didn't have an upgrade path to WP8, but for most part what I've found all points to the overhauled kernel. It's like almost like saying you want to replace your car's combustion engine with a turbojet.
12. wicky14 (Posts: 1; Member since: 21 Aug 2013)
Not neccesarily. Windows 8 and windows 7,(along with windows vista, xp and even 2000) all are based on the NT version. that's what makes you able to install any applications across them, (give or take.) but if your switching from a ce kernel, you can;t take the same things and make it work on a NT kernel. So while yes, Microsoft could have made it work, it would have been far to much of a investment, which is why they didn't do it. That's why Wp8 is NT based, so it doesn't happen again.
15. alterecho (Posts: 1082; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)
I did consider that. Upgrading to a different kernel from within another would indeed be difficult. They could have used a desktop client to remove the old one one and put in a new one.
If it really weren't possible at all, they should have stated that, when asked, before WP8 was released.
They could have also allowed discounts for WP7 users. I tried to sell my device, but, no would buy it or would offer an outrageously small amount.
If the above two steps weren't possible, for business reasons, then that means they have been using the early WP adpopters as target practice/test dummies.
It was clear they hadn't thought ahead, with no consideration for the ones who adopt early. It shows the incompetence of the company (verified again by WP8)
They even had the audacity to charge a hefty price for those useless devices.
For a company such as Microsoft, that simply is unacceptable.
18. elitewolverine (Posts: 1576; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
Or from Google either.
Shame on google and android that alot of their 2.x devices cannot upgrade to 4.x and the ones that did had high fail or slowdowns.
Shame on android. Or how about iOS not giving iphone 3 users but iphone 4 siri.
Please your talk is tiring, wah wah wah, shame on M$ wah wah. Yes another called you a 5yr old cause well honestly that is how you act.
You talk about x86 windows OS but have no clue how the kernel interacts from win7 and win8. Go download the developer tutorials, and in the getting started guide you will see how big of a change win7 was to win8 for their mobile os. It was down not only to software, but how the OS functioned.
Who knows with the 8.1 downgrade of requirements for phones, people might be able to 'wincrack' win7 to accept win8.1.
hey shame on car manufactuers for designing a new car with more power comfort and technology year after year. wah my 05 mustang is not as good as the 06 and wah that i cant go to ford and get the engine upgraded for free....just a silly example but what you constantly sound like. Get over it win7 wp is how old now?
14. Glim12808 (Posts: 393; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
Belfiore does not have to look beyond their own OS, the Windows Mobile OS for ideas on what features to put in. Before iOS and Android came to exist, Windows Mobile were already using those features. You are probably a 5 year-old born yesterday.
16. alterecho (Posts: 1082; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)
"5 year-old born yesterday"
Read your comment again.
And yes they could have but apparently, it didn't occur to them.
19. 14545 (Posts: 1106; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
WinMo was the last good Windows smartphone OS. Until they ditch that horrid "metro" I won't buy another. Also, the same reason I haven't upgraded my PC either. Metro is only good in the eyes of those who are fanboys. Heck, I would say that 6.5 was probably more functional than 7 or 8 as well. God knows it was definitely easier on the eyes.
5. The13thKing (banned) (Posts: 849; Member since: 26 Feb 2014)
Where ia the nokia butthurt guy? No comments here?
6. AfterShock (Posts: 2800; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
Kind of odd this tweet happened.
Sure they all test each others wares, but publicly by someone so visible is, not a good showing.
Bad juju has begun.