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Apple to seek $40 from Samsung for each phone that allegedly infinged on Apple's patent

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Apple to seek $40 from Samsung for each phone that allegedly infinged on Apple's patent
Apple and Samsung are about to head back to Judge Lucy Koh's courtroom for the sequel to their epic patent trial. After part of the damage award was vacated, and a new trial for damages held, Samsung owes Apple $930 million. The next trial, which includes more relevant devices like the Samsung Galaxy S III, is scheduled to begin on March 31st.

Back on January 23rd, Apple and Samsung met in United States District Court for the Northern District of California, with both firms trying to get the court to dismiss each others' claims. According to a transcript of the January 23rd meeting, for the upcoming trial Apple plans on demanding $40 from Samsung for each Samsung phone that allegedly infringed on one or more of the five Apple patents at the heart of this legal fight. These patents deal with unified search, data syncing, slide-to-unlock, the phone number tapping feature, and autocomplete.

The $40 per unit figure is not something that Samsung would ever agree to pay. It is interesting that in 2010, the year before this litigation commenced, Apple offered license to Samsung its entire IP portfolio for $30 per unit ($40 for tablets for the first 24 months) and the Korean manufacturer refused to bite. It is too bad that both sides can't follow the example recently set by Nokia and HTC. With the latter in danger of having an injunction placed on its Android devices in Germany, both sides reached a global licensing agreement. Perhaps there is just too much bad blood between the two rivals, and neither side wants to be the first to blink. Too bad really, because there is surely enough money going around for both to sign a reasonable licensing agreement and still make enough profit to satisfy stockholders.



source: SCRIBD, FOSSPatents via SlashGear

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posted on 11 Mar 2014, 10:13 3

1. akki20892 (Posts: 3617; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)


40$ multiply by Millions, damn too much. Samsung in bad position right now, positive is they sell a lot phones and negative is they going to give 40$ from each phone if apple win this trial.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 10:15 12

4. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8822; Member since: 14 May 2012)


I love how originally they asked for $30 per device, and now it's $40 after the S3 and S4 broke records.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 10:32 2

7. rantao333 (Posts: 267; Member since: 21 May 2013)


i also love how Samsung rejected the offer and now apple request more.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 10:34 12

9. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8822; Member since: 14 May 2012)


$30 a device is a total scam. I would have flicked Apple off and walked out of the room like a boss.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 11:38 5

14. TechFreak123 (Posts: 85; Member since: 25 Feb 2014)


I would send several trucks filled with cents.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 13:39 6

24. sgodsell (Posts: 1387; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)


I love how Microsoft is willing to sell WP for $15 per device. Yet Apple thinks their iOS is worth $40. What a joke. But then again hardly anyone is buying WP. If the lawyers are smart then there is no way on this planet that they can get anywhere near $40 per device, especially since you can't get iOS on any other device. They will be lucky to get a dollar.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 14:12 4

28. Finalflash (Posts: 1872; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)


It is actually funnier because MS has serious patents all of which combine for about $15 for a cross licensing deal for more than just their Android related patents. Apple wants $30-40 per device for rubber banding and rounded rectangles with screens. That is why Apple is the king of patent trolling, because they don't want a deal, they just want to stifle competition. They probably don't deserve more than a few cents for the patents they have and no one is being sued as easily now because everyone stopped rubber banding and came up with better or equivalent methods.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 18:47

34. darkkjedii (Posts: 12357; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

posted on 12 Mar 2014, 07:17

39. mrfwy (Posts: 20; Member since: 17 Feb 2012)


Samsung pays Apple, Apple pays Nokia...What is next?

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 13:05 6

21. lyndon420 (Posts: 1782; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


I'm curious to know just how much of this money is going to apple's most important patent - a rectangle with rounded corners.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 16:02

31. Ashoaib (Posts: 2371; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)


Forget apple, they are greedy bast**ds... no need to pay anything to apple... its better to waste money in legal bettles instead of giving it to apple... apple should start a begging business

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 16:30

32. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


This is what apple wants doesn't mean it will ever get it.. When you in court your demand the highest but you rarely get the highest. Samsung will always say no these ridiculous prices, Samsung know they are better off losing in court and paying a billion dollars here and there

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 10:14 15

2. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8822; Member since: 14 May 2012)


Apple is officially smoking crack if they think $40 is justified.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 10:14 3

3. power_x (Posts: 238; Member since: 28 Aug 2013)


EPIC PATENT BATTLES OF HISTORY
APPLE INC
VS
SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS

B E G I N

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 10:19 7

5. joey_sfb (Posts: 3100; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


Lol! With a profit margin of $700 US for iPhone and $250 US for iPad.

US $40 is dirt cheap in Apple's context.

One word sum it up, BULLY!

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 10:31

6. express77 (unregistered)


one should stop stealing and one should stop overcharging and trolling.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 10:33 12

8. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8822; Member since: 14 May 2012)


Read on the patents Samsung is accused of. You'll see how greedy and low Apple really is on the business side.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 10:58

11. express77 (unregistered)


i read somewhere about rounded corners and slide to unlock. can u give me link about it details?

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 14:12 3

29. Finalflash (Posts: 1872; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)


Don't forget about rubber banding.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 18:50

35. darkkjedii (Posts: 12357; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Very greedy, very but who isn't? I can't even get mad at em, cuz the out greedy the greedy at being greedier than the greedy.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 18:54 1

36. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8822; Member since: 14 May 2012)


I love Apple products, especially Macs, but damn they're so petty when it comes to business practices.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 22:44 1

38. joey_sfb (Posts: 3100; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


Are you actually here to defend apple's greed. If Samsung is the one that is charging Apple would you still feel the same way?

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 11:06 5

13. willard12 (Posts: 863; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


Slide to unlock, auto complete....exactly which is the company that's stealing? I don't believe these are Apple inventions. Besides, isn't stealing what great artists do?

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 14:13 3

30. Finalflash (Posts: 1872; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)


Key difference, great artists with giant legal teams and home ground advantage do.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 11:45 3

16. tedkord (Posts: 5106; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


The overcharge steals as much as anyone.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 10:42 1

10. wiiandds (Posts: 60; Member since: 15 Mar 2013)


has anyone realised that of the patents apple is complaining about are software based and cant be patent. what a jock apple, make better phone and a lot cheap and stop your complaining.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 11:02 9

12. willard12 (Posts: 863; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


Apple wants Samsung to pay $40 per device for Apple's patents. Apple wants to pay $1 per device for Samsung patents.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 11:48 8

17. tedkord (Posts: 5106; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


$1? Apple offered $0.001 per device. They told a judge that if she set a price over $1, they wouldn't honor it.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 13:28 6

23. vincelongman (Posts: 1573; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Also Samsung's patents are around 3G/4G tech
Apple's patents are rounded corners and slide to unlock, none of which Apple invented, they just patented first.
The patent system is severely broken.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 13:51 1

25. stealthd (Posts: 974; Member since: 12 Jun 2011)


Design patents don't cover inventions, they cover the ornamental design of products, to keep copycats/ripoffs/clones off the market.

Samsung sued over 3G/4G patents Apple already paid to license.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 22:42

37. vincelongman (Posts: 1573; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


The first S and a few other of Samsung old phones do look far too similar, too the 3GS.

But for the S2, S3, S4, S5, Samsung's tablets, Samsung's design looks nothing like Apple's.

So I don't see why the court is allowing Apple to use their BS generic design patent to sue so many of Samsung phones.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 11:41 3

15. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3580; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)


Apple=evil BEGGAR

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 12:24 1

18. androiphone20 (Posts: 1506; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)


Samsung dropped 3 of their SEPs targetted at Apple, anyone want to explain that (please on a more educated level)

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 12:41 2

19. Taters (Posts: 3512; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


Someone needs to stop this bs bullying. HTC just took it up the ass from both Nokia and Apple. Samsung better not back down. They are the last hope.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 12:53 1

20. bestmvno (Posts: 170; Member since: 07 Mar 2014)


Apple's asking price, be it $30 or $40 is just plain extortion and for some phones it is more than 10% of the value of the actual phone and most of the profits.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 13:18

22. alrightihatepickingusernames (Posts: 426; Member since: 29 Dec 2013)


These patent wars are just plain bad for us consumers, I'm not taking any side because of this. A $40 price hike on Samsung's devices means not just Apple, but other companies don't have to price their devices as competitively.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 13:55 2

26. JMartin22 (Posts: 1242; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)


Anyone that says Samsung copies Apple's features for their success (as opposed to going with the paradigm that's what sells more) is really uneducated and ignorant. More often than not, Apple gets awarded for dumb patents like "rounded edges" or "pinch to zoom" - while legitimate patents with high specificity and technical engineering going invalidated as it "abuses" the patent system. It's dumb. I don't know how these courts can be so negligible and hypocritical in their decision making.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 14:03 3

27. Slammer (Posts: 1120; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)


The Samsung phones cost an average $180 dollars to build. Apple is seeking $40 dollars for every phone that infringed on Apple patents. Pretty bazaar when you consider that about 40% of Apple's phones operate with Samsung parts. Essentially Apple is asking Samsung to pay Apple for building their phones. Lol.

John B.

posted on 11 Mar 2014, 18:35

33. techperson211 (Posts: 704; Member since: 27 Feb 2014)


Here we go again.... Timmy looks so greedy here... Too much of everything is bad enough...$40 for every device??? Or you can say hey Sammy about the a8 chip built it for free and no patent B.S.

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