Analysts believe the Galaxy S6 won't be enough to stop Samsung Electronics' earnings slide
1. BobbyBuster (banned) (Posts: 854; Member since: 13 Jan 2015)
There's simply no cure for this since no on can justify even reasonable margins when their products run CrapDroid.
13. AlikMalix (Posts: 5107; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Bobby, I love iOS, but you cannot justify your passion for Apple iOS by calling Google's mobile OS "CrapDroid". It may have been "crap", compared to iOS in 3 or 4 years ago but now Android has their advantages over iOS and they're diligently fixing problems that plagued Android phones like lag, and background resource management issues is being erradicated with faster processors and more Ram. If they stop with bloatware from manufacturers and carriers - they might entice me to try Android again.
But considering the article: Samsung has a few "props/features" that make it stand out from the rest - S-pen specifically on Note 4 is absolutely the best stylus in the world (I would know I use quite a few on my iPad/iPhone). Note 4 and a few Alpha models are great looking phones (I would even say in some ways surpass the new iPhone 6/6+). And dont forget who made the bonkers phablets a normal thing today.
Touchwiz is objective (I think it's not helping Samsung at all), and their "features" are more or less "gimmics". But Apple also had a few tries that didnt catch traction, for example: AirDrop works Great, but no many use it - it would be awesome if everyone had it turned on to allow everyone see it, so I can drop photos to the guy/girl in the car next to me in traffic, lol, but people dont turn it on - it didnt catch on. Newsstand is definatly a dud, and Passbook is pretty much used by frequent travelers, sport fans, and starbucks frequenters - but not me or almost anyone I know.
So, there... I think Samsung is a powerful company, and their mistake (based on my "I-dont-really-know-anything-about-running-a-multinational-corporation" opinion) is they are confusing the market with weekly "new" phones, and bloating their phones with resource hungry "features" that only a few find useful. But add insult to your injury - Samsung slightly topped Apple's unbeatable satisfaction ratings in recent survey...
... it has nothing to do with their products running "CrapDroid"...
30. androiphone20 (Posts: 1654; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)
This is argument is pretty weak.
I really like the parts of your post that you state your opines as fact.
34. darkkjedii (Posts: 19819; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Agreed Alik, by no means is android crap, if anything Google's android forced Apple to get off there duff, stop resting on their laurels and revamp iOS.
36. Lycan155 (Posts: 248; Member since: 24 Nov 2013)
Seriously dark you are one of the few people here who isnt biased toward a company and a respectable guy who love tech as a whole , i salute you my friend , keep going and ignore haters and trolls
39. Gp_Customs (banned) (Posts: 269; Member since: 14 Jan 2015)
Agree to you, he's not bias, but he's still an iFanatic.
Sometimes he reverts to his iThingy.
43. darkkjedii (Posts: 19819; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Gotta give credit where it's due bro, Google gave Apple some shock lol. We the consumer win from it too. I've said time and time again, I don't care who copies who, just give me the features bro. Hope all is well. +1
53. iOSLMFAO (banned) (Posts: 290; Member since: 15 Dec 2014)
"their", not "there". C'mon, this is basic first grade stuff. A Grammar Nazi such as yourself should know the basics. Try lifting a BOOK sometime.
48. Salazzi (Posts: 537; Member since: 17 Feb 2014)
Alik I commend you for not resorting to mud slinging as most would have. You were very mature in your response. As an iPhone user (who has also used a slew of Android devices as well), I agree with your assessment. I do wish Samsung luck though as I think there should be multiple options on the market. I must admit that one of the greatest mistakes Android device manufacturers made was focusing solely on specs. They got a nice portion of the population on their boats by bragging about cores, battery size, megapixels, etc. I'd say the only ones who truly caught on are Motorola. It was the first Android phone that I felt compelled to keep. The spec sheet was poop compared to other phones of the day such as LG G2, BUT the phone worked smoothly and without a stutter. The sticking point was the experience it gave you.. from gestures, to wiggles, to voice.. they pushed the user to want to interact with the phone. It seemed that what it did do, it did well.
That is also what makes me come back to Apple and to stick with it each and every time. Spec sheets are largely irrelevant.. they build no loyalty. Samsungs strongest point has always been specs, but what happens as other manufacturers put better specs for a smaller price tag? The obvious happens.. you lose business.
40. Gp_Customs (banned) (Posts: 269; Member since: 14 Jan 2015)
All in all, anyone who buys an iPhone at this point is an image conscious, fad following idiot. Android and the Android manufacturers are offering faster, more flexible and more reliable devices with a minimum of hype.”
42. Gp_Customs (banned) (Posts: 269; Member since: 14 Jan 2015)
Even an image conscious, fad following idiot knows that the iPhone 4S looks just like the year and a half old iPhone 4. Nope, fad following idiots are not there among the millions lining up and buying the iPhone 4S.
They are buying the identical looking iPhone 4S because it’s the best damn smartphone on the market. Hell, even your 3 year old iPhone GS is still being sold and it is the #3 best selling smartphone in the USA. No fad conscious buying that phone either. It’s sad that a third generation iPhone is still outselling all Android models.
Maybe, just maybe the iPhone experience is really that much better than the Android experience. In fact, the only thing missing in the iPhone experience is the need for Anti-virus software.
49. TBomb (Posts: 694; Member since: 28 Dec 2012)
The iPhone GS is the 3rd best selling phone in the USA? I'm curious where you're getting that fact from....
Thy "fad following idiots" aren't buying the 4S when they have the 4 because they have 2 year contracts that they're stuck in.
2. androidmachines (Posts: 31; Member since: 10 Jan 2015)
Competition is healthy. I'm a Sammy fan but I definitely regard brands like Xiaomi, Oppo as worthy contenders as they offer a different perspective to the Android experience which Sammy redinfined in more ways than critics would like to admit.
6. vincelongman (Posts: 4113; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
To be honest I was very happy to see Samsung's lower sales
Because all I see in public is Samsung Galaxys or iPhones
Would be good to see more variety
And lower sales is good for us consumers since it encourages Samsung (and the other OEMs) to try hard for our money and usually leads to more innovation
14. AlikMalix (Posts: 5107; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
vince, sometimes when I ponder about these things, I'm hoping that Apple will see a huge but temporary downfall - which forces giants like these to come up with revolutionary products (or die trying)... If Apple can influence the world to switch to mobile pay, or go beyond visible pixels (300ppi), or push for 64bit infrastructure, create an ecosystem with a simple App Store, Touch ID, or the good ol' multi-touch interface, and etc - I wonder what Apple or (any Giant for that matter) would do when pushed against the ropes...
Here's dreaming of Tizen to put Apple in it's place (no sarcasm). Imagine what Samsung can do with it's own ecosystem building on what we learned from iOS, Android, WP and security integrity of BB.
18. Finalflash (Posts: 2780; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
Tizen will do nothing for the consumer but fragment the market like in the good old days where every phone company had their own crappy OS with its own crappy market place. With everyone under the Android umbrella, they are forced to compete hardware and software wise (since mods to Android are totally allowed) instead of just making bigger walls for consumers to force them to stay in their ecosystem. It will also likely fail because software isn't what Samsung is good at, it is hardware.
The S6 will prove that once again because Samsung is looking to correct all the right weaknesses this time instead of just copying Apple's strategy. They already mentioned faster SSD which is right now the biggest bottleneck in all high end smartphones. AMOLED has reached a point where it is now ahead of LCD in almost every way so much so that even Apple is considering it. That, combined with all the competition they are facing, they will try to fight their way back to the top.
25. AlikMalix (Posts: 5107; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
You just haveto disagree with an Apple user, huh? Must be a rule of some sort.... I guess you're entitled to you opinion... But stop with the f**ken "forced to stay in their ecosystem" and "making walls for consumers" bulls**t... A different type of ecosystem is just another choice - and you're stuck so far up Androids ass that you dont see how well "walled garden" is received by consumers where one company is outselling several every year... NO ONE IS FORCED = People switch back and forth all day long so, please dont insinuate s**t when you dont know these people...
I will agree this year OLED has improved extremely well, but dont confuse rummer with real news, OK, pumpkin? Anything you read about Apple's intentions before the announcement is not a statement from Apple but a speculation by tech sites... BUT, if OLED or any other type surpasses whats on my phone - I would sure hope that my preferred manufacturer will use it when I'm ready to upgrade...
but if you think for one second that there's no place for another mobile OS - you're wrong - you better thank your android gods that there's different things out there otherwise there will be no growth, and who knows without Apple, Android would have ended up as a BlackBerry knockoff instead of a touchscreen interface... geez...
31. androiphone20 (Posts: 1654; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)
I don't always agree with Flash but I'm afraid he's right. We can't have so many incompatible devices, running different software on different hardware. That's a really backward way of thinking. I see a lot of people here confuse abundance with choice, too many choices make the platform feel drab and boring.
Fragmented OSes were a pain back in the day that developers wouldn't even consider makings apps for phones. Google even complained having to develop software for hundreds of devices running different software that could be stacked in closet, before Android. So meditate to this...
Less is more
32. AlikMalix (Posts: 5107; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Some good points. Primarily I was upset because within his post he took a jab at Apple's ecosystem at the expense of actually making a good point - just tired of it...
But I'm more curious what Samsung can do if they had their way - they're not a bunny you can shake a stick at like HTC, LG, and Sony - they're a bear and a very capable one. I think windows mobile is a very compelling platform - I'm extremely disappointed that it's not taking off like Android did, same goes for BB. So the hope stays with Tizen, especially if they can license Android Apps like some rumors suggest... I think that we can benefit from a Third Big player...
Look at the history... Apple shifted Android development toward touch screen instead of BB keyboard type phone. Likewise, years later, Android pushed iOS to open up and shake it up. Then windows phone comes out and we got a third choice, and a good choice at that just not gaining popularity... maybe Samsung's vision will give us a "Third" - I'd love the drive competition will make - sky's the limit: New Tech, Lower Prices, Better Design...
All above examples have one thing in common: YOU and I WIN!!!
47. androiphone20 (Posts: 1654; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)
Maybe its just me but I just can't see how he took jabs at Apple (that's not to say he doesn't), he just pointed out how Apple considers better display options which is not a bad thing per se (also, it's still baseless).
Regarding Tizen and other smaller OSes I stand by my last post.
50. AlikMalix (Posts: 5107; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
You do know he was talking about likes of iOS when he said "instead of just making bigger walls for consumers to force them to stay in their ecosystem."
51. androiphone20 (Posts: 1654; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)
That was open for interpretation. You fell for it.
41. AlikMalix (Posts: 5107; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
If I upvote your post, does that mean I'm actually upvoting my own post...? lol...mindblown
3. tiara6918 (Posts: 2022; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)
The product itself no matter what it may be is not the answer for them to stop declining. What they need to is to change their strategy from competing cheap chinese markets. I was hoping to see it from a5 and a7 but looks like I'm wrong, it's still too pricey and it's specs are still underwhelming to what the competition can offer. They also need to convert apple fans to switch to their camp, apple has so far been the leading cause of their decline. Bashing apple or putting gimmicks on the phone will not help them at all. iPhones are known for status symbol, high price that doesn't depreciate too quickly,software updates support for many years,easy to use ui,customer support,etc. They need sort of do what apple has so they can have more fans
29. AlikMalix (Posts: 5107; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
No, because Sony doesn't make Dishwashers and Refrigerators...
5. HugoBarraCyanogenmod (Posts: 1013; Member since: 06 Jul 2014)
oems who are well prepared has divided their smartphone market into more than two Brands or two companies.
Xiaomi and Redmi
Huawei and Honor
Lenovo and Motorola
Oppo and Oneplus
Vivo and Blu
HTC one and desires
they're divided the brands to strengthen their position on each of Segment, can be divided by price range, as well as region.
when we think about Redmi, or Honor we know it's a damn cheap sh*t.
when we think about Moto, or Blu we know it's an American Android.
This is what Samsung failed to do so, putting everything in one brands and don't know which position of the brands Sammy decide to.
Is galaxy a premium brand? Budget phone brand? or what?
7. HugoBarraCyanogenmod (Posts: 1013; Member since: 06 Jul 2014)
If you think dividing two brands is wrong, please give me the latest link to prove all Oems I mentioned above CURRENTLY has the bad financial performance.
Lots of links I can prove Samsung slumps recently so don't test my temptation to spam it out
9. tiara6918 (Posts: 2022; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)
that's why more iphone users are switching to apple from samsung. Samsung devices can't be told apart, their value depreciates too quickly. Look at the iphone5s, it's more expensive than the s5. Their products don't feel premium and so on. Samsung needs to make a separate the galaxy line and create a new segment for their high end devices
45. Gp_Customs (banned) (Posts: 269; Member since: 14 Jan 2015)
lot of people are missing the obvious: Apple releases about one phone a year, so there is a good chance that 6 months from now the best iPhone on the market will still be the iPhone 4S. In contrast six months from now there will be about 10 different, far superior Android phones.
46. Gp_Customs (banned) (Posts: 269; Member since: 14 Jan 2015)
After using your iPhone for 18 months, it still retains 53% versus 42% for Android, and 41% for BlackBerry. That’s $312 of cash value if you resell your old iPhone on eBay or Craigslist.
iPhones have a reputation for being premium products, while Androids have a more democratic marketing angle (BlackBerry’s consumer marketing angle appears to be indecipherable). In fact, the cost of ownership of an iPhone is the lowest of all platforms:
8. amozhi (Posts: 130; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)
Sammy left out millions of GS3 owners without an update. Promise 3 years of update for flagship phones. Then sales will pickup.
10. Loubielou (Posts: 501; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
O.k people will buy the Chinese Budget phones but are they as Good as Samsungs,people nowdays are finding phones too expensive for themselves,so will buy the Chinese makes,but if these phones were so on Par with Samsungs Why?are they not Sold Worldwide,then the Critics would Pull down the Xiaomi and Huawei phones and people would realise they are not good in the Performance Section but Good in the Looks
12. HugoBarraCyanogenmod (Posts: 1013; Member since: 06 Jul 2014)
Because we don't feed the patent troll country who love to discriminate Asian. You people will not gonna buy anyway. Wise consumers in third world are loving it and we received positive feedback from India, and south east Asia
17. Chuck007 (Posts: 1043; Member since: 02 Mar 2014)
Yes they love to discriminate against Taiwanese and Korean companies.
19. HugoBarraCyanogenmod (Posts: 1013; Member since: 06 Jul 2014)
Yes Apple never sues Samsung
24. Chuck007 (Posts: 1043; Member since: 02 Mar 2014)
Don't blame you cause of your different upbringing. But note American companies sue each other for intellectual property violations as well. Much like how Chinese companies sue their own for such violations... which is ironic cause the major Chinese electronics oems benefit from sign blatant inspirations to drastically reduce RND and marketing costs and aim to build a name for themselves through the cheapest means possible. Does it work for them? It obviously did for Xiaomi. Should the likes of Apple, MS, and Google sit there and give them the liberty to do what they want when they reach their own turf after all the money they spent on developing the technology? I think not.
Another thing to keep in mind. Not everyone raised up with western beliefs is against the coming China phone invasion. Cheaper prices (which it'll force others to do) is always welcome. I know many here will feel the same.
And before you think the whole world is racist against the Chinese like they want you to believe, think twice about that and experience it yourself instead of viewing the western world through state media. I have spent a considerable amount of time in Canada and many treat me just the same as anyone else. With dignity and respect.
11. Rain017 (Posts: 60; Member since: 11 Jul 2014)
honestly whats killing Samsung is their design from low-end to high-end they all look the same flagship is not given the flagship treatment in a sense that their mid range is almost as good as its flagship quite disappointing they had a good run they should limit releasing crappy phone and just focus on flagship, mid-range and low-end and stop releasing countless of look-alike phones
15. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 3718; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
S6 won't be a problem if design is great, the main problem is the low-mid range crap that Sammy is providing which is being killed by Chinese OEMs now-a-days which is ultimately a profitable area.
Bring less phones with good specs and prices.
16. aha111 (Posts: 3; Member since: 22 Jan 2015)
People buying apple iPhones not because of its functionality instead they think they are using a luxury phone or brand which brings some social status
20. tiara6918 (Posts: 2022; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)
yes I agree with you. And samsung doesn't have that and their value depreciates too fast while apple doesn't. You get more resale value on an iphone than on a galaxy
28. AlikMalix (Posts: 5107; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
I disagree, I think people buy iPhones because they provide all they need in a brand that feels safe, whether it's usability, face-to-face assistance/support, resale value, 3rd party support, exclusivity in compatible products or available apps, "if it aint broke, dont fix it" mentality, satisfaction ratings, brand recognition... just to start off... I know many buy Apple because they own a Mac, some buy it because of Facetime and iMessage and FindMyFriends or ApplePay, or iTunes, or design, or Siri, or iApps that are now Free (I personally love iMovie and GarageBand).
I primarily bought an iPhone 5S (after trying S4) specifically because Google Now is not Siri, it's a different animal - good features, but Siri does so many things different/better/easier instead of guessing my behavior (which Google Now did well sometimes, but wrong other times defeating the purpose)..
Can we just leave it at "People buy iPhones because they're not you" not this BS about social status. Yes there are a few that think iPhone are cool to own, but dont kid yourself - iOS functionality is just as powerful as Android, where Android have their exclusives, and iPhone have just as many of their own exclusives... ok, sweetie?
21. SonyFindOneDroidple (Posts: 776; Member since: 11 May 2013)
They did an amazing job with Note 4..
cant wait to see galaxy s6, but i am also exctd with a high-end Tizen smartphone considering the very fluid OS it offers, more fluid than high end android and even iOS phones, check it out at youtube/sammobile. It's insanely fast and they actually implemented what I want their themes to look --- that you can change the bluegreen color dominating the tabs of UI
22. Bozzor (Posts: 169; Member since: 02 May 2012)
A bit hard to predict how a product will sell when there is nothing confirmed about it other than rumours. Take the analysis seriously when the product has been shown and there is some buzz (or lack of it) based on fact.
23. abhi24 (Posts: 14; Member since: 23 Mar 2014)
Galaxy brand rose coz it had better specs than iPhone, and was less pricy. Now, with each generation of galaxy s, price has gone up steeply, and there is no big difference between apple n Sammy now. Function-wise,there was never a big difference between iOS and android unless n until u r a geek. With bumped screen size in iPhone, the concept of better phone phone, better screen n better specs, sth that sammy fans swore off, at lesser price, has totally eroded. That's the root cause of sammy sliding recently. At the flagship level.
And when it comes to mass market, I mean the entry level, Chinese oems are too competitive for any price bracket. Poor update history for lower end phones, far too laggy performance, and all plastic replicas; obviously sammy can't lure customers by its name alone
27. SuperNova (banned) (Posts: 649; Member since: 15 Jan 2015)
Samsung has dominated market share with huge profit in recent years. Just because it dropped slidely last year doesn't mean that it fails again this year. Samsung devices are not bad, it's because of tough competition from Chinese makers who sell its phones too cheaply. But Samsung has learned from that. This is Samsung, not Sony or Nokia, it won't let go to the Chinese easily this time. Let's see
33. greenelektron (Posts: 529; Member since: 10 Sep 2014)
Sammy will give s6 a nice and new design but they will also pump mid and low end devices that exactly look like the s6 design. So you can never tell which is premium and which is not so overall the value falls. Sammy should totally separate the premium from the not premium in every way, and most importantly, set the right price for their phones.
37. Lycan155 (Posts: 248; Member since: 24 Nov 2013)
Competition is healthy for us consumers but it certainly isnt for sammy haha
38. Lycan155 (Posts: 248; Member since: 24 Nov 2013)
Samsung also needs new tablets where is note 10.1 2015 edition ? Also update note pro and tabs pro to lolololoipop ..... I swear this company =\
52. fzacek (Posts: 2486; Member since: 26 Jan 2014)
I truly believe that if Samsung got rid of TouchWiz and replaced it with stock Android, their sales would increase drastically...
54. Elfmonster (Posts: 414; Member since: 23 Dec 2013)
Well, no duh, everyone wants giant phablets. Samsung has all these phones yet fails to see the correct window of quality sizes to offer. The fact there's no 6 inch Samsung with Note 4 specs is just we-don't-want-more-money fail.
55. Love_gadgets (Posts: 7; Member since: 31 Oct 2012)
Samsung is losing because of so many me too products in its lineup. Neo range and mini range are the biggest reasons samsung is loosing its sales of flagships.
56. razraptre (Posts: 168; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)
They keep launching so many new devices. Every successive Galaxy cannibalizes sales off the previous model.