Adobe confirms Flash coming to ICS before the end of the year
This means that people who purchase the Galaxy Nexus should be able to browse the “full web” sometime in December, after a quick download from the Android Market. Adobe further clarified their plans, indicating that there would be no Flash for Android 5.0 (Jelly Bean?). Concurrent with the release of Flash for ICS, Adobe is planning a final release of their Flash Linux Porting Kit.
Adobe emphasized their commitment to developing the Adobe AIR platform for mobile devices – the ability to package AIR apps and distribute them on mobile platforms is an important part of Adobe’s “author once, distribute everywhere” strategy.
Adobe also indicated they have a long-term commitment to Flash on the desktop, where they feel Flash continues to provide functionality that HTML 5 does not, including digital rights management for premium video content, and a robust game development platform.
Are you relieved that Flash will be available on the Galaxy Nexus and other ICS handsets? Or do you view Flash as more of a hindrance than a boon? Sound off in the comments below.
source: Pocket-lint via Engadget
1. biophone (Posts: 1900; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
47. taco50 posted on 10 hours ago 3
Aren\'t you the one trolling now?
Nexus has only 16gb of memory and no flash. Looking like I\'ll win my bet with remix by a landslide.
Taco trolling. Preapare for him to backpedal
11. biophone (Posts: 1900; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Well it was a reply too me so I am very interested. Taco clearly stated that I am a troll then went on to say that the nexus doesn't have flash negating the fact that even that article said it will most likely be updated. Then this article comes out and now even adobe says it will be updated with flash pretty quickly. taco = troll
12. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
You called me out by name 3 different times in that article. Why?
I never said ics would never get flash. I do find it funny it comes out without it. All the flash bashing trolls do on here. Looks like another half baked product by google.
16gb with no expanded memory and no option for a higher storage model. Can you imagine the trolling that would happen if iPhone came like that. Of course android fan boys have no issue with that since its google.
14. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
Half baked product by Google? What does Google have to do with ADOBE releasing a version of Flash that works with ICS?
By the way, thanks for clarifying yourself as a "flash bashing troll", it seems accurate.
16. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the only reason i can think that trolls bash having flash on their phone at this point, is that they are mad that apple refused flash, and want everyone to join in their 2/3rds internet capable misery. Flash works quite well on android.
22. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
And the trolling continues. You constantly throw out misinformation. Way more than 2/3 of the Internet is compatible with HTML5 now.
No need to lie.
29. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
lol, taco, the last report said that only about 25-30% of the TOP 100 websites are HTML5 capable. thats the major sites. So what.. u think bob with his home webpage is already converted to HTML5?
the same HTML5 that ISNT EVEN AN OFFICIAL HTML STANDARD yet?? lol
i really think u should get the 4s. I think Siri could really help your stat skills a bit.
34. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Source? You're lying as usual. Last reports I saw from April this year said about 70% of web video is HTML5. It's now November so obviously that number is higher.
52. jdcxxx (Posts: 15; Member since: 14 Nov 2011)
70% of web video is skewed due to YouTube. In March 2010 about 40% of web videos where from YouTube which is html5. A better survey would be the % of sites that are using html5
18. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
How long has google been working on ics? You don't think they could have worked this out with adobe already? I'd be really surprised if flash is available this year. I'm thinking Q2 next year.
Btw quit being so biased
41. leftheodo (Posts: 81; Member since: 21 Oct 2011)
How long has apple been working on iphone 4s? And yet they release the same phone (ok they changed the notification system, they put ota updates and voice control. Quite "innovative" features, don't you think?)!
Btw quit being so biased!
24. harsh_732006 (Posts: 65; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)
so u mean that the iphone has expandable memory...idiot..
25. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
You have options 32gb and 64gb. So much for open.
26. AppleLover (Posts: 13; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
android fans will be begging for another update AGAIN
3. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
flash is needed for the next few years until HTML5 becomes an actual standard and then is widley adopted. support for new versions mobile flash means nothing to the hundreds of millions who already have it, or are going to be getting it through android and RIM, since they will be still doing bug updates and supporting current iterations. The majority of the smartphone world is mobile flash enabled, and that percentage is only going to continue to rise for the time being.
everything else is just troll fodder.
8. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
ill take an steak XL burrito. no sour creme or guac please. :)
30. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
aaaaaaah.... dont know why i forgot about him.. doh. lol. sorry KK. :) :) :) :) :)
39. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
wow.. reading you guys remind me of my middle school days... calling people's name... ok so you guys had your 5 minutes of laughter... did it change anything on you guys............... exactly.... now kids.. behave... or I will call your parents...
10. rendHELL (Posts: 304; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)
I'll take my Chicken deep fried and preferred if served with Tacos... tnx XD
4. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
I am in favor of FLASH - since many sites I visit require it - once everyone is on HTML5, then bye, bye FLASH - really, it is common sense - I use ANDROID FREE MOVIES a lot and it requires FLASH - wife's iphone 4S? 'Not gonna do it'
6. robinrisk (unregistered)
ha! I knew they would not leave us hanging!
I really want the nexus, but i can only get American phones at low prices, if i buy the european version i\'d have to pay full price.
And our carriers over here do not have CDMA so its a no-go for verizon phones.
7. jdrevolution (Posts: 87; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
I'm glad this is taking place. Necause if they still have long term plans on desktop, that means web designers and game developers may be slower to pick up HTML5, preferring to use something they're more familiar with.
So if anyone on a mobile device wants to access any of these sites on their phone doesnt have flash...that's a huge chunk of the internet gone.
And I would miss kongregate and other flash game sites.
13. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
You want developers to be slower in picking up a better technology? Why?
15. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
Oh taco. Where does he say he wants developers to be slower?
He's glad ICS will continue to support flash. Check.
He mentions that since they still have long term plans to keep flash for the desktop, that means game developers MAY be slower to pick up HTML5 since flash is still available on many devices (computers, and most Android phones).
It's not about "wanting" developers to be slower. It's about not giving a f**k how long it takes because OUR PHONES RUN FLASH.
20. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
He said I'm glad this is taking place and then says it may cause developers to be slower in picking up HTML5.
It's very poorly written so I may have misunderstood. That's why I phrased it as a question.
28. Penny (Posts: 1446; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
I'm with Taco on this. Flash, while it certainly has its purpose and has been in widespread use for a while, has a history of bugs, inefficiencies, vulnerabilities, and problems. While it's great that Android is capable of running Flash, the best thing for consumers in general is to push HTML5 so that developers have to make that transition, sooner rather than later. The longer it takes for the industry to make the transition, the greater the likelihood that the industry is going to be more fragmented between the two technologies (Flash and HTML5).
Not trying to be a troll, just putting in my two cents.
31. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
before any of that can happen, html5 will have to first become an html standard, which its at least another year away from doing. then companies will have to have a good reason to move from their flash sites to html5.
yes, it would be good if it moved along faster, but the reality is it probably wont. conversion is just an expence that many websites cant afford.. especially if it just does the same thing for the most part that flash does.
so why not use both? thats the point. why limit yourself to a tech that isnt even "official" yet, and ignore the one that has the biggest mass adoption by huge amounts?
Also, a history of bugs and current bugs are not the same. Flash on android runs very well now.
38. Penny (Posts: 1446; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
In the real world, you are right. I work for a start-up company myself, and we are one of those companies that don't have the resources to adopt newer standards like HTML5 just yet. If Flash ain't broke, why re-develop our platform?
That being said, I think it is clear that HTML5 shows promise for being a better solution than Flash. When it comes to HTML5 becoming an HTML standard, there are a couple of things to consider, at least from a business perspective. First, as a company, you really don't want to spend the resources on developing for something that is not officially recognized as a standard. But at the same time, as a company, you also want to be on par with or ahead of the competition in providing to your customers.
This is where the argument comes in that having consumers push HTML5 can increase adoption from companies of HTML5. Even while it is still technically being developed, it could become the de facto standard if consumers push for it.
40. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i completely agree. This issue is dealing with now.... not a few years from now. Why wouldn't u want to be compatable with today as well as the future. In order to do that u need flash support. For now.
Sites can't invent money to upgrade.. and right now there is little incentive to do so. I'd assume a lot of new sites are being made in html5 though.
You are the one calling me out, its your job to provide proof that I'm wrong. Go for it.
Sent from my sexy honeycomb flash enabled tablet.
42. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5685; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
it's kind of like Facebook vs. Google+ everyone knows Google+ is probably the future and everybody should switch to it however there's so much on Facebook that it would be difficult to migrate over to desolate Google+ but where are the people going to come from to change that about Google+? it's a chicken or the egg paradox until people just have faith that if they all step away from Facebook into Google+ that everyone else will too.
36. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
He said he's glad this is taking place (ICS getting Flash).
He then said "because if they still have long terms of desktop THAT means web designers and game developers" etc
He's not saying ICS getting Flash is going to stop HTML5 development...
It didn't seem poorly written to me but then again I have great reading comprehension skills.
19. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
in reality we are already looking somewhere between 5-10 years for mass HTML5 adoption. The internet already runs on flash, and there is little incentive but a lot of cost to move it all to HTML5. Someone has to get paid to convert it all, and what actual benefit does it give the web site?
I really dont get why these trolls are so happy when they (incorrectly) think that flash is somehow dying/dead. guess they just want people to be miserable with them in their limited world.
21. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Remix I have an iPad and I very rarely encounter a website where I'm not able to view the videos on. HTML5 IS the future and that's a good thing. I think you're way off on the 5 to 10 year thing.
Only trolls are fandroids that were constantly bashing Apple for not including it in iOS. Now we see Steve Jobs was right as mobile flash is done.
Also I'll remind you blackberry, windows, Symbian all don't support flash on their phones. It's not only Apple.
32. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
actually, blackberry does. :) Its in QNX.
35. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
QNX is on zero phones so far. At this time blackberry phones do not support flash.
44. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
and thats about to change, which will only INCREASE mobile flash adoption which already stands at around 50% of smartphones. and if you want to add in "flash lite" you are even higher.
37. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5685; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
i'm guessing you don't watch anime do you? ;P
51. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5685; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
why do you have to say it like that? Adults can like Anime. i'm technically an Adult and i like some. you're like a snake taco, always lashing out.
54. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
your an adult????? dude.. just because u had a middle school graduation ceremony doesnt make you an adult.
27. jdrevolution (Posts: 87; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
I'll agree with you on how long it will take. I used to work at a web design company and most of the web sites they made were flash websites. So I've also been keeping up with them as to whether these companies have contacted them to switch to HTML5: They haven't.
And two of my friends work mainly in facebook flash games, in speicific, the coding for them. They haven't made any move to start training for HTML5. Heck, they're still getting jobs to create more flash games.
That's actually another reasons why it may slow developers down. Companies are still asking for flash or just don't want to change. Like you said, no one wants to pay.
Though you do make me think of what benefits it can give the site, cause from a lot of what I've seen it does what flash does, in different code.
33. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5685; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
lololol i thought it was me too. i was like "never fear! your King is here!" xD
if 5.0 is where Adobe will stop making Flash compatible with Android and WP8 or 9 or whatever it will be by that time brings more powerful hardware and a more diverse collection of applications i may switch to them yet. you may have noticed i'm really rooting for WP so i can switch to them well that's because in my world of Windows and Xbox LIVE Android kind of sticks out and i like things to be seamless.
45. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
once WP7 starts catching up to android in terms of inherent features and usable apps comparable to google navigation/maps (not giving that up!) ill probably give it another shot.
The problem with migrating to wp7 from android for many of us is the same as it is when some try to migrate to iOS.. its hard to "give up" features that you got used to. Android might not be the most smooth or the most stable (which has definitely changed in the last year), but it has more toys in its toy box from day 1, than all the other OSs combined.
Ive definitely been enthralled by the features and looks of WP7, but in practical use, i just would have had to give up too much. Fix that issue and u might see a lot of cross adoption.
46. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5685; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
well i'm hardly using my phone to it's fullest potential and really most of the things i do on my phone a WP can do with utmost quality and Microsoft really has the market cornered with the King. i'mma cravin' achievements on the go and using my WP as an Xbox Remote! and the simplistic looks really tickles my fancy and Mango was a pretty impressive jump. pretty soon i might be Binging instead of Googling. xD
47. Penny (Posts: 1446; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
Yeah, that's exactly the way I look at it as well, King. I don't use my phone to the fullest potential, and WP7 does what I need it to do very well, so I'm a happy camper.
My general uses, in order of descending importance: E-mails, Calls, Texting, local searches (restaurants, stores, etc.), games & other apps, navigation.
As far as Bing vs. Google: While on a computer, I definitely use Google, but while on my phone, Bing does a good job at focusing on what a mobile user might be looking for (a.k.a. local searches, store information, reviews).
48. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5685; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
yeah, Google totally has my heart when it comes to Chrome. once you go Chrome you never go back.
49. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5685; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
i think my ideal WP would have a 4.3-4.5" display, at least a 1GHz OMAP4 (since the Tegra II won't play nice with LTE), at least 1GB of RAM, 4G LTE, a good pair of Cameras and be made by either HTC (for Beats Audio and good call quality) or Samsung (for a SA+ display) so see? not unreasonable at all. if one like that should come out i MIGHT get one. i wouldn't sell my Droid 3 though.
55. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
blah, beats is over rated. Samsung still uses the best audio codecs and top audio drivers in their flagship phones. :)
So basically, u want an android franken-phone made of a bit of everyone...with WP7 on it. :) i could go for that.
43. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
I can understand why people with iPRODUCTS dislike FLASH - but, why do you have to get all crazed and upset over it - like a bunch of ZOMBIES. Just relax - we get it - you dislike FLASH. As an ANDROID user, I love it - all that matters is what I like - just as all that matters is what you as an individual like.
53. sandesh (Posts: 1; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Hi, is there any solution for Samsung galaxy ace to play flash file ?