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The 64-bit era is upon Android! Here are 10 new and coming 64-bit Android smartphones

The 64-bit era is upon Android! Here are 10 new and coming 64-bit Android smartphones
When Apple unveiled the iPhone 5S and its 64-bit A8 processor - an industry first - it caught silicon spinners sleeping on the job. The Android ship was not set to sail over to 64-bit shores for another year or two, because there really was no important reason to. But weeks after Apple's keynote ended, demand was epidemic, and chipmakers found themselves forced into outing their 64-bit technology as soon as possible. It might have been a scramble, and it may have caused a headache or two at the likes of Intel, Google, Qualcomm, Samsung, and MediaTek. But by the end of 2014, 64-bit Android smartphones are in place, Google has sorted out 64-bit support in Android 5.0 Lollipop, the ground has been evened, and the path for the near future is pretty clear-cut. Go 64-bit, or bust!

To prove our point, here are ten new or upcoming 64-bit Android smartphones. Some of them are available right now, or will be released in the coming weeks. Contrary to what you may expect, most of them aren't performance beasts. It's because Qualcomm and MediaTek, which are the forefront of 64-bit processing, began the transition by outing their low and mid-range processors this year, leaving the flagship products for the first half of 2015. This way, smartphones for the budget-conscious can already benefit from 64-bit processing, while the most potent silicon is being primed for 2015's spec monsters.

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posted on 03 Dec 2014, 08:25 3

1. Felix_Gatto (Posts: 928; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)


With no the Krait's successor, surely Qualcomm have become boring with all of their next-gen 64-bit CPUs are the mainstream ARM's Cortex.

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 09:22 5

4. sgodsell (Posts: 4412; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)


So what's wrong with their 64 bit lineup? 810, 808, 615, 610, 410 are all 64 bit CPUs. The 808 and 810 have emmc 5.0 support, ddr4 ram, and be the first to support 20nm for Qualcomm. The 810 will support dual channel 1600mhz ram for a through put of 25gb bandwidth, and run at 2.8 GHz. What not fast enough?

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 09:51 7

6. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 3234; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)


The problem with 808 and 810's is that they are 3way superscalar. So they can process 3 instructions per cycle. Apple's A8 can do 6 and the Denver K1 can do 7 instructions per cycle. This makes a huge difference in processing speed.

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 09:53 4

7. vipervoid123 (Posts: 163; Member since: 27 Aug 2013)


The Core design used in all new lineup is plain ~
Just the basic design that directly get from Cortex, no redesign for better power management and more ~
Thats means the new S810 and so on...
Have no better power management than what ARM have designed ~

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 12:51

20. jos_031 (Posts: 62; Member since: 12 Jun 2012)


I never knew that there is such vast difference in inst per clock cycle.. I was thinking all arm with same microarchitecture have same inst per clock... Now I need to see the clock frequency each support .. But I can never imagine beating ones with more than double inst processing per cycle.. Can you please link to supporting doc for a good read .. Thanks in advance

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 14:13 1

23. strudelz100 (Posts: 644; Member since: 20 Aug 2014)


I'm impressed that someone else in this idiot farm understands how far behind Qualcomm and everyone else using Stock ARM cores next year are.

The A7 is a custom 64bit core. Last years A7 is more advanced than than Qualcomm and Samsung's offerings planned for next year.

Nvidia is doing its own thing and doing a great job as well.

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 15:08 1

25. medicci37 (Posts: 1321; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)


Someone needs to come up with a processor that can surpass Qualcomm. Which shouldn't be impossible since they've been slacking the last couple years. For instance the 801 in my HTC 1 is just a overclocked 800. And it's pathetic that Qualcomm only has mid range 64 bit processors out so nothing they make really takes advantage of Lollipop. Would like to see Samsung
come out with something better & make Qualcomm earn a living again

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 15:12 2

26. vincelongman (Posts: 4877; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Problem is back in the 90s Intel and AMD had the more Ghz war
Then they had the more cores war
So most people still just read the Ghz and cores without looking at architecture

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 15:35

27. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1542; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)


Not that much as your numbers suggest, as the A57 can be clocked higher. But I agree that there is some difference and that both Denver and Cyclone are better.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 08:44

31. jos_031 (Posts: 62; Member since: 12 Jun 2012)


I did find something interesting. Denver K1 is in order execution and others are out of order execution.. This can make Denver k1 freeze if the decompiled instruction is not the next to process.. Although huge cache is provided .. It can be really hit and miss. But in order to avoid it they are using a sorting algorithm which in itself will take clock cycle reducing performance. It is better to have sorting algorithm to avoid freezing. Plus arm cortex 57 have 50% increase in the performance compared to cortex a15. Denver is a15. But apple is a57 v8 out of order and 6 way superscalar hence better performance than all.. But with lesser cores. This is how apple have better performance than all. Imagine all with octave core and good clock frequency ..

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 09:15

2. Settings (Posts: 2154; Member since: 02 Jul 2014)


What are the advantages of having 64-bit smartphone?

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 10:01 3

8. JunitoNH (Posts: 1931; Member since: 15 Feb 2012)


Apparently, nothing, if you listen to the android camp. When Apple unveiled the chip, many dismissed it as a gimmick.

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 10:48 5

13. sprockkets (Posts: 1611; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)


Uh, no. 64bit memory addressing is useless.

ARMv8 architecture's improvements isn't.

Saying otherwise is just a strawman argument.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 04:01

30. joey_sfb (Posts: 6402; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


There are many cases where 32 bit is more efficient using smaller memory foot print to complete the job at a faster speed.

64bit memory = 10L large bucket
32bit memory = 2L smaller bucket.

But if only have 1L of content using a 10L large bucket would be inefficient and slower than the smaller bucket.

Anyway 64bit is the future.

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 09:21

3. Andrewtst (Posts: 666; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


Samsung made two version of Note 4 simply because USA and some Europe country too love Snapdragon.

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 10:21 3

11. roldefol (Posts: 4362; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


That doesn't make any sense. I thought it had everything to do with supply and demand - they couldn't make enough Exynos chips to keep up.

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 10:56

14. sprockkets (Posts: 1611; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)


Or maybe it has to do with US freq support...

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 11:00

16. roldefol (Posts: 4362; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


But if Samsung had the option of adding support for US frequencies, why wouldn't they? Why not be fully vertically integrated? They did it with the Note 2.

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 12:55

21. TGreg104 (Posts: 38; Member since: 14 Jun 2011)


The reason that they made two versions is because the Exynos wasn't working correctly with the LTE modem.

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 09:30

5. MSLumiaMeLove (Posts: 4; Member since: 01 Nov 2014)


Whole lots of Chinese makers. Don't know but can't seem to purchase one even if the specs and looks are a lot better.

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 10:04 1

9. garlic456 (Posts: 251; Member since: 24 Dec 2012)


Back in my day, Snapdragon 600 series were the fastest ones.

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 10:24

12. roldefol (Posts: 4362; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


And then a few months later, the 800 series arrived. Samsung and HTC used the 600 in their flagships because the 800 wasn't available yet. Now it's clearly 400 for entry level, 600 for midrange, 800 for high end.

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 14:16

24. strudelz100 (Posts: 644; Member since: 20 Aug 2014)


Snapdragon S4 Dual Core and Quad Core came before the 600. Then 800, 801, 805.

BUT THEY ALL USE THE EXACT SAME CORE.

Krait is ancient and it shows.

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 10:09 3

10. tech2 (Posts: 3487; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)


Someone didn't do his research properly.

Note 4 has a 64-bit Soc but Samsung has only enabled 32-bit support.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-note-exynos-snapdragon-armv8,27688.html

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 10:59 5

15. yowanvista (Posts: 341; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)


It's only running in AArch32 mode because Kitkat lacks the proper support. Samsung is actually going to enable AArch64 when they roll out the Lollipop upgrade. They're even upstreaming out the required kernel patches for AArch64 in mainline Linux.

So yeah, I guess that 'someone' really didn't do any research before making such assumptions.

http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org/msg39499.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org/msg39710.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org/msg39506.html

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 11:01

17. sprockkets (Posts: 1611; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)


Most of those phones are coming with somthing lower than 5.0, thus, 64 bit or ARMv8 support is irrelevant - it won't even work.

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 11:11

18. Valon (Posts: 4; Member since: 09 Nov 2014)


Where is Samsung Galaxy S6?

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 11:23

19. roldefol (Posts: 4362; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


In a future article alongside the Z4 and G4.

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 13:35 1

22. mrblah (Posts: 577; Member since: 22 Jan 2013)


Why aren't they having over 4gb's of ram? Lame.

posted on 03 Dec 2014, 23:40

28. laughmi (banned) (Posts: 283; Member since: 28 Oct 2014)


Great to see 7 out of 10 are Chinese. Soon it would be 9 out of 10.

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