Samsung COO to attend Stanford memorial on Steve Jobs Day in California
1. snowgator (Posts: 3158; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Classy. Hope this is a step towards ending the bitterness between the two.
38. JosephC (Posts: 6; Member since: 12 Oct 2011)
This is all sad because it is APPLE WHO COPIED SAMSUNG. DO YOUR RESEARCH people. Samsung had pads that look like ipad way before ipad even was conceived of. Heck I even saw the iphone looking device by sammy (straight down to the center circle button) waaaay before the iphone came out.
19. Lucas777 (Posts: 2121; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
why dont u just leave and go to androidbitch.com for your tech news… if u dont recognize the value of what steve jobs has done (even if u hate apple beyond anything) then u truly have no intelligence level… and of course apple wants to be the only one! so does samsung htc google moto microsoft nokia and everyone! its not that hard to comprehend.. but then again… haha
28. jacko (unregistered)
steve jobs has done
what stole ideas lolhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?f
i dont see other manufactures trying to ban other manufactures
and i say it again
i dont know him
or did anything for me
or gave me money
why should i care fair enough if he gave me a million bucks to save a loved one
or by me a house to live in no
nothing zip zero so why should i care
the only thing he did was take take take
3. ardent1 (Posts: 1983; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
It takes a company like Apple to stand up to a copyist like Samsung. The story goes that Apple approached Samsung about how Samsung had "crossed the line" but Samsung just thumbed their nose at Apple. Now Samsung reaps what it sows. Back then Apple and Samsung had a good to great relationship and now due to Samsung's bad judgement(s), Apple is taking billions of dollars of current and future business away from Samsung. You don't see Sony slavishly copying Apple. You don't see RIM slavishly copying Apple. You don't see Motorola slavishly copying Apple. You don't see HTC slavishly copying Apple. You don't see Acer or Asus slavishly copying Apple, etc. Neither is the case for Amazon. However, Samsung felt it was special and it had a right to rip off Apple's products.
The general rule in life is to follow the golden rule and when you made a mistake, you apology and make amends (android fanboys like sniggly and remixfa should take notes!). In Samsung's case, they felt like the golden rule didn't apply to them.
The records will show Apple has given Samsung numerous opportunities to apology and make amends but Samsung wouldn't do it. I hope Samsung wouldn't blow this opportunity. I hope Samsung stop digging its hole and gain wisdom to ask Apple for help.
It's no accident that Samsung lost in the Netherlands, in Germany, in the US. Samsung got caught. Samsung thought they could get away with it and the courts sided with Apple.
Here's what Samsung should do -- apologize and make amends, and settle the lawsuits. Terminate anyone that was in decision making process to slavish copy Apple. Adopt a policy to innovate and develop original products.
The bottomline, especially in the case of the iPad, none of Sony's, Motorola's, RIM's, ASUS', ACER's, or Amazon's tablets look like a slavishly copy of the iPad. In life you reap what you sow especially if Samsung can't sell it's Galaxy Tablet due to legal concerns.
4. dashak (unregistered)
Some nice, solid examples of how Samsung "slavishly copied" Apple would be good. Because all it looks like it mudslinging back and forth, Apple throwing the first stone and then trying to take shady actions, such as doctoring images of Samsung products to intentionally make them resemble Apple products, in an effort to get their way.
It seems like your aggression is pretty misguided.
5. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Good post ardent. Dashak there's lots of examples of Samsung copying Apple. You just have to have an open mind.
29. jacko (unregistered)
7. ardent1 (Posts: 1983; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
"solid examples of how Samsung "slavishly copied" Apple would be good."
That would be like reinventing the wheel -- go read the legal complaint if you are interested. I read parts of that complaint to get a sense of Apple's basis for their lawsuit. Here's a question to you: How many android fanboy read the legal complaint?
"Apple throwing the first stone"
No, Samsung tried to get away with something they knew they shouldn't be doing. Again, look at Sony, RIM, Motorola, HTC, ASUS, ACER, etc. -- different and all origin designs. Apple was trying to be nice about Samsung's bad behavior but Samsung was being a jejune d*ck that needed to be spanked in court. Now, Samsung has a reputation for copying other company's products, which is already known, but it is now documented in Europe, Australia, and in the US. These are legal precedents that can come back and bite Samsung in the ass in the future.
"such as doctoring images of Samsung products to intentionally make them resemble Apple products"
Those were photo-representations for ease of comparison. The Judge in the case had access to the real products. Don't you think it's funny when the US Judge asked Samsung's attorney to point out the iPad from the Galaxy, the Samsung attorney couldn't spot the difference.
8. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
"Not from this distance your honor". Classic!
30. jacko (unregistered)
lg should sue apple that what ur saying
18. NoFan (unregistered)
I challenge you to hold a small flat screen lcd tv vertically when its turned off. Tell someone to step back 20 feet and ask them if it looks like an iPad or a Samsung Galaxy Tab. --- It looks like both!
I guess LG, Samsung, Sony, and every other lcd manufacturer can start suing!
21. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
It was 10 feet. Why do android fanboys always lie?
25. CM1704 (unregistered)
can u differentiate LCD/LED/PLASMA TV set from 10 feet?
same goes to lame judgement by germany's court. if they can access real units why they didnt notice apple made up some of the images?
samsung do f**ked in copy-ing and so do apple. i owned both products from these 2 companies and enjoyed their products.
it js on all those country that prefer APPLE (germany, US and australia; it js back to classic thing whereby westerners always thought they are superior than asian)
34. Geeksarebest (Posts: 34; Member since: 28 Jun 2011)
They had the single button on the iPad and the SAMSUNG branded across the bottom and the lawyers still couldn't tell the difference.
24. p0rkguy (Posts: 677; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)
Sadly, you're only attacking Samsung because Apple is attacking Samsung.
If Apple were to sue other companies, you would continue to follow Apple's decision on the other company's wrong doing.
Why didn't Apple attacked HP on their TouchPad? I mean they practically have the same dimensions. Why haven't you attacked HP for their copies? Because Apple hasn't done so yet. You follow Apple, not your own opinions.
At least be able to back up your own reasonings.
39. ardent1 (Posts: 1983; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
porkguy, you are not making sense. I have a patent and I want to support people or companies when their IP is being ripped off. I am sticking to facts -- the fact that a number of courts have adjudicated that Samsung violated Apple IP.
This is not a debate about opinions, it's a debate about the need to protect IP -- again, I have a patent and numerous ideas I want to patent -- so this case has value to me.
I am just stating facts: it takes a company like Apple to stand up to a copyist like Samsung. The courts in Australia, Germany, and the US all have INDEPENDENTLY came to same conclusion about Samsung being a copyist. Again, these are FACTS, not opinions.
Porkguy, did you even bother to read Apple's legal complaint to understand Apple's legal standing? If you did, then you would have understand why Apple didn't go after HP.
23. Scuba_Steve (Posts: 79; Member since: 16 Oct 2011)
So you'll just close your eyes and cover your ears whenever apple steals something?
This whole ideas of stealing and who owns what patents are really skewed. But you can't honestly believe Apple has done no wrong and has clean hands? I'm not saying Sam is wrong or right, I just want to hear from you *taco50 and ardent1* That Apple has f**ked up a couple of times as well.
40. ardent1 (Posts: 1983; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Okay, so why didn't Sony copy the iPad? If the US judge had raised a Sony tablet and the IPad from a distance of ten feet, could you not spot the Sony tablet?
Okay, suppose the judge held the RIM tablet at a distance of 10 feet, could you not discern the RIM product versus the iPad? We could do this for ASUS, HTC, etc.
So, I will throw the question back at you, what made Samsung so special that it thought it could get away with copying Apple?
If Sony didn't copy, if HTC did copy, etc, why did Samsung have to copy.
Lastly, Apple like any other company has won and lost cases on IP.
10. Twitter (unregistered)
@ ardent1: So you will teach Lee Jae-yong (aka son of Lee Kun-hee) how to do business. They said the same when Samsung started competing with Sony in the early 90s. Now see where is Samsung and where is Sony. Just for your little brain, here's some information:
There are things which many people don't know or simply don't care to know. They are investing in batteries for electronic cars with Bosch. They are expanding into solar cell panel business. Samsung BioLogics - a biopharmaceutical plant is already open. They are also investing 7.3B in LED lighting plant and also starting in medical devices business. Total investment in these new techs is more than 20B. They recently opened the Line-16 memory fabrication facility, the largest in the world. They are using it for 20nm yields for both SSD and DDR3's. AFAIK, there is nobody else in the same scale and efficiency level to match this line. They are already sampling Exynos 4212 (not 4210) to customers using 32nm with scaled-up GPU. Also recently released 1/2.3 S5K2P1 sensor with 16MP, BSI and capacity to take 8.3MP video at 60fps. For comparison, Full HD is about only 2MP, now imagine 8.3MP @ 60fps. That iphone 4s sensor is only 1/3.2 (40% smaller). They have 50Billion worth of contract from Shell. Their construction branch (Samsung C&T) has made some of the tallest buildings in the world - Petronas Towers, Burj Khalifa, Taipei 101. Petronas was once the tallest, then it overtaken by Taipei 101 and now the tallest is Burj. So, the world's 3 tallest buildings was made by this company. I can go on for ever about other businesses like shipping, display, luxury hotels etc., It's a chaebol (arguably world's largest) consisting of 83 different companies. Family control is guaranteed by a complex web of cross-shareholdings. The share they have in the market are just for show. Nobody can EVER take ownership of this companies. Unless, they themselves decide to sell. I am sure you would not know that they sold their HDD division to Seagate for 1.4 billion. They kept the SSD with themselves. They know where the future is heading. EMC is now using Samsung SSD in their majority of enterprise hardware (STEC being the other supplier). But I am sure you have no idea about VMAX/VNX/CLARiiON/Celerra etc.,
Don't try to act as if Samsung is surviving on Apple's money. Lots of companies need display, memory, NAND etc., There is NONE who can make it more efficiently than Samsung. They had invested heavily initially and they have the economics of scale that others don't have. Nobody else is also giving proper yield at 20nm process. Do you know about AMD's 32nm yield and manufacturing issues at Globalfoundries? There are hardly any company which can make such efficient and cost-effective manner as Samsung. Check this:http://gigaom.com/2011/10/06/s
11. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Great only thing all these stuff has nothing to do with the situation between Apple and Samsung.
Another fandroid tactic. Take the argument to left field.
26. p0rkguy (Posts: 677; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)
No he's just trying to let the arrogant people know Samsung doesn't need Apple.
Samsung did fine on its own and will continue to do so with or without Apple.
Samsung Electronics is still the world's largest technology company.
They have shipbuilders, engineering, life insurance, a theme park, their own agency, and hotel. Seriously, Apple looks like nothing compared to Samsung.
27. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
And that has nothing to do with Samsung copying Apple
46. ardent1 (Posts: 1983; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Sony's problems were due to mismanagement. Apple has mismanagement problems before.
What the samsung fanboys won't tell you is how it was Apple that funded some of Sumsung's production capacity.
13. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you really are an idiot. just saying. . and an idiot that doesnt know how to let go of a grudge at that.
41. ardent1 (Posts: 1983; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Let me get this right -- remixfa gets tired of me correcting his posts, so he retiates against me due to his own grudge, and now he claims I have a grudge. Wow.
Here is my advice remixfa, don't flame people because they will flame back. People are here to take here crap.
Remember, you tried to educate people about how RD expenses belong in gross margins due to your grudge!
20. belovedson (Posts: 821; Member since: 30 Nov 2010)
ardent and to anyone who can read
read the rolling stones article pertaining to steve jobs and come back on here and write a pretty little article report on what you have found out.
43. ardent1 (Posts: 1983; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
After you send me a check. Btw, I already read those articles.
6. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Samsung loses their bid to ban iPhone in Europe over 3G patents. Yet another win for Apple against Samsung.
31. jacko (unregistered)
apple wins on patents
samsung loses on patents they own
sounds fishy to me
i guess u can buy judges
9. vzdubnX (Posts: 5; Member since: 06 Oct 2011)
someone please just tell apple this isnt preschool, just do your thing, and let samsung do theirs. Stop throwing fits about every little thing possible.It boils down to every phone copys another in some way or another. Why take it to such a level, that they are removing products off shelves. leave devices alone, and let the consumer decide, But apples capitalist bull$h!t just wants to controll everything... its a desperate effort to do anything to stay on top. because lets all admit, the galaxy tab 10.1 kills the ibad, and the prime is about 2 generations and 3 S's ahead of apples iphones haha. go ahead and say something back but these are facts.. good for samsung tho to be the bigger company, After all the head ach steve jobs caused them. and yeah i agree with dashak where are all these examples anyway??
12. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
A perfect video for Samsung
Samsung of course is McDowell's
32. jacko (unregistered)
lg should sue apple in that case then
37. corporateJP (Posts: 1282; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)
LG SHOULD sue Apple.
If for no other reason than to prove a point.
But, it's probably a little late for that...
44. ardent1 (Posts: 1983; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
And the point is for LG to demonstrate we have money to burn?
14. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i would have been surprised if samsung execs didnt show up. they had a long lasting and profitable relationship with apple. Also in many eastern cultures not only do you mourn your friends, but you also mourn your greatest adversaries.. and that would definately be steve jobs at this point.
classy move non the less. Hopefully they have a nice pow-wow with Cook and find a way to settle this mess so we can all get back to enjoying our electronics without the mudslinging lawyers.
15. Whateverman (Posts: 3158; Member since: 17 May 2009)
@ ardent1. What!?! Are you talking about the golden rule, "Do onto others as you would have them do onto you"? If so, that's exactly what's happening here as far as I can tell. Apple has copied quite a few things from other companies. Although they greatly improved on most of the things they've copied, they still copied the ideas of others. And now that they are the leader of the smartphone OEM pack, they are offended when others follow their example. They have every right to protect themselves from anyone who copies their work, but you said it yourself...none of the other tablets look like the iPad. But guess what, Apple filed suit against some of these companies as well. So Apple isn't "being nice", they're trying to be the ONLY!
Now, as for the topic at hand...I agree with snowgator. That was a very classy move from both Apple to extend the invitation and for Samsung to accept. Samsung is going to do what they have to, to get their products sold and to stop infringing on Apple's IPs, designs or whatever. That's good for the Android community because Samsung is going to come up with really good I'm sure.
42. ardent1 (Posts: 1983; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Innovation is not copying. Microsoft is credited with inventing the tablet. Apple innovated on the tablet and produced the iPad 10 year+ after the first Tablet.
Xerox may have invented GUI, but Apple brought that technology to the masses through Apple's own innovations plus Xerox's GUI concept was very primative and crude.
The debate about Apple copying LG is nonsense since Apple produces both the software and the hardware, and there were evidence in the iTunes version prior to the release of the iPhone that Apple had the prototype phone completed.
Let me use my patent as an example, I didn't invent the idea, but I invented an algorithm that replicated the outcome of the first invention without violating the original patent. I have a patent meaning my idea is original. My invention got aroung the first guy's patent. That is the purpose of innovation and invention.
Here's the bottomline, you nor I know what Apple is working on. Apple doesn't release it's products until it's near to marketing them. The intelligent people know unless we have a reasonable basis, it's hard to determine who copied whom. The android fanboys have a habit of immediately claiming Apple copied an idea without knowing when Apple first worked on the idea. That is crazy because you have cases like NeXoS slamming Apple for copying an idea from Samsung that Samsung introduced in 2009; NeXoS' mistake was that he failed to check that fact, which was Apple worked on that technology in 1995, a full 14 years before the 2009 Samsung product.
Seriously, how many Android fanboys would search back 20 years to discern if Apple had worked on that technology or not?
16. ken (unregistered)
ppl alway talk about apple's and samsung's copying each other but more importantly, I believe that these two companies is actually copying Nokia's on every aspect and making it better. Nokia's didn't sue any of these companies.
17. Whateverman (Posts: 3158; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Sorry dude, but Nokia sues just as much as Apple does. Check out the flow chart from this earlier article.
33. pandamaja (unregistered)
Question. Will ios fans atleast own up to the fact the ios is years behind feature wise? And blatantly uses other OS's ideas? (I don't want to hear s**t about 'oh they perfect it' blah blah blah).
35. taz89 (Posts: 1944; Member since: 03 May 2011)
you will never get an ifan admit that apple copied others because to them apple cannot copy lol
45. ardent1 (Posts: 1983; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
People keep forgetting Apple runs its current mobile iOS using 512 MB of RAM. Try getting the latest android devices to run on the same 512 MB of RAM.
47. jacko (unregistered)
there is lastest android os on 512mb of ram on some handsets lol
they put 1gig in for multi tasking alot of apps u know true multi tasking
36. corporateJP (Posts: 1282; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)
Most people respect intelligence and utter greatness.
It's hard to ignore, friend or foe, how smart of a man that Steve Jobs was.
48. jacko (unregistered)
pfft doesnt take intelligence to copy (or make things better)