Report: Samsung having (no) yield problems with the Samsung Galaxy S5 fingerprint scanner
A report out of Korea on Monday says that Samsung is having yield issues with the fingerprint scanner that is earmarked for use on the just announced Samsung Galaxy S5. According to the report, Samsung has turned to a third party producer and is said to be in negotiations with a company called Crucialtec to provide the fingerprint scanners for the Galaxy S5. Circletec is the largest manufacturer of mobile Optical Track Pads and produces a line of fingerprint scanners. There is also talk that Samsung is talking with the company to outfit the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 with a biometrics package as well.
Various rumors last year had a fingerprint scanner coming to the Samsung Galaxy Note 3, but that idea was dropped and reports say the blame should be placed on a third party supplier whose scanner could not pass Quality Assurance at Samsung. Now, Samsung's own in-house design is apparently failing and to make matters worse, the company has promised the biometrics feature on its new flagship with an April 11th release date drawing ever so closer.
Korean media characterizes this incident as "embarrassing" for Samsung. That might be, but if not rectified soon the more accurate description might be "desperation". Like TouchID on the Apple iPhone 5s, Samsung is embedding the scanner in the home button of the Samsung Galaxy S5.
Thanks, Anonymous Tipster!
source: Daum (translated) via GforGames
1. ArtSim98 (Posts: 3152; Member since: 21 Dec 2012)
Samsung shouldn't have included this fingerprint scanner. Or they could have at least make a working one like the 5S does.
7. ihavenoname (Posts: 1487; Member since: 18 Aug 2013)
Indeed. Fingerprint scanner should be made perfectly (like in 5S) or it just should be let out. Sony and others, if/when you do fingerprint scanner, make it properly.
15. akki20892 (Posts: 3603; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
I totally agree dude. 5S have quality fingerprint scanner. And you know that HTC One Max have good fingerprint scanner too.
19. cripton805 (Posts: 964; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
You people are the most bias fanboys. The 5s clearly had problems with it degrading over time. They don't include "gimmicks" because you all and your mom cried about too many gimmicks. They say, "OK" we listen to our customers and refine our product instead. So they did. Now, all I hear is you moan and complain how its the same phone. Its refined like everyone wanted it to be. NO THEY ARE NOT USING METAL BECAUSE IT AFFECTS SIGNAL. Get that through your thick skulls. They said they would work on it and try it. It may not be working like they want it. They said this since the S3.
21. elitewolverine (Posts: 1902; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
did anyone talk about metal? Also there is alternative metals, just look at the vapor magnesium in the Surface, it makes for the most solid feel.
At any rate, it is not biased fanboys. While the 5s has issues, our test phones have yet to have problems, and they get used probably more than a personal phone.
As well, i dont remember, could be blatantly wrong though, the 5s having yield problems
36. cripton805 (Posts: 964; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
People on here constantly talk about "metal". On another note, adding metal would eliminate the removable back and essentially putting a lifespan on your phone for service. Which is one of the main reasons not to change it to metal. They "may" add metal to an S5 variant to test out the sales I bet. The closest Nokia has come to metal, is the 925 correct me if I'm wrong.
Please specify which Surface has 3g of 4g LTE or even NFC? Do they? We don't know how it would affect it, but the iPhones have had problems in the past with it's build quality materials blocking the signal.
66. Chikara (Posts: 4; Member since: 22 Jan 2014)
Wait what, "adding metal would eliminate the removable back"...seriously? i am no engineer but i am pretty sure you can make a removable back with a "pin" or a screw or something so you can remove it.
78. cripton805 (Posts: 964; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
*Claps. Yes that would probably work with screws like the iPhone, but they void your warranty if you remove the back cover. I think that would be a great option, but I don't think any manufacturer allows you to replace the battery on any phone with a metal or enclosed casing. I highly doubt Samsung would allow it either.
If that were the case, I think that would be a great alternative. It's almost as if they want to make it difficult to service on purpose.
37. akki20892 (Posts: 3603; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
Dude chill. you talking blind. I'm a fan of Nokia, not iPhone. Looks like you need to learn talking like perfectionist. What a negative talk. Just a spam one. Not deserve a even reply but I have to because I wanna clear everything else.
39. cripton805 (Posts: 964; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
I know you're a Lumia fan, and it's clearly obvious that you would troll anything Samsung announces or releases regardless what material it is, what it does, or how great it really is.
40. akki20892 (Posts: 3603; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
Read my comment dude, I said about fingerprint scanner on phone, not about Samsung has bad scanner.
42. cripton805 (Posts: 964; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
My comment was based on all of the summed up previous dumb trolling you constantly do on this site on top how you state that the 5s has had a good scanner. When the 5s released there was a bug on the 5s that you could use any cats paw and it would unlock the phone. The 5s fingerprint scanner has had bugs since it was released from day one. And you guys say how the 5s has had a good scanner??? Really? I don't normally care about what other believe or opinions, but time after time. I had to say something on something that's completely false.
43. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8798; Member since: 14 May 2012)
I completely agree with the first sentence.
46. jdoee100 (Posts: 307; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)
cripton, don't even bother with these trolls. PA's comment section is a troll paradise. They create dramas with anything and everything. If someone says something about a Samsung device, bad or good, they'd moan and whine till cows come home.
50. Ninetysix (Posts: 1669; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)
Can you show me links about the cats paw bypass?
53. cripton805 (Posts: 964; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
55. Ninetysix (Posts: 1669; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)
You know you have to REGISTER the cat's paw first before you can unlock it right?
"Note that no other paw pads would unlock the device, and that cats essentially have unique “fingerprints” just like people, so this doesn’t make the Touch ID sensor any less secure."
77. cripton805 (Posts: 964; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
I wasn't referring for it to be less secure, but it can cause problems if a dumb kid registers some cats nipple and they can't get it to read it's nipple anymore.
It's intended for fingers and it should be used for fingers, and "to me" at least, the software should be able to recognize the difference between a finger and a nipple.
But if you want to talk about a security flaw, there was a security flaw on iOS regarding the bypass of the lock and airplane mode, I wont get into that since that is essentially a "software" bug. Which has now been fixed I assume.
There is a bug regarding the touch ID and the sensor not working properly. They say they're going to fix it with a software update, and hopefully that itself doesn't make it less secure. We don't know, it's still buggy and it's still yet to be fixed. We cant assume they can fix it until it's fixed. It has not been fixed since the release of the 5s and reports of problems report to before the phone was less than a month old. With the iPhone 6 "coming soon" I'd expect that to be a top priority on a device you pay much more for than the rest of the competition and now how you must pay for an Apple "Service" call.
45. cripton805 (Posts: 964; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
Back from September 2013 quote here on Phonearena regarding the 5s touch id.
"We mean regular folks using their toes, nipples, dog or cat paws, and even severed fingers"
63. willard12 (Posts: 859; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
The article is about yield issues. It says nothing about the scanner being bad.
51. givemespecs (unregistered)
Good point.....can we have it English now please?
54. cripton805 (Posts: 964; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
Sorry, I didn't know you needed a couple of commas and maybe apostrophes to understand. Language and Linguistics changes over time, so I hope you can adapt in future reference. Next time, I will try to use smaller words and better grammar for the users with the IQ lower than 80.
59. ecmedic4 (Posts: 202; Member since: 02 May 2013)
If you do it right, the metal does not affect the signal, i have an iPhone 5 and have no trouble with signal, the HTC One has no problem with signal and it has more metal than the iPhone. There are other metal phones out there as well, and they obviously don't have a problem with signal, so what your saying is a non issue.
60. cripton805 (Posts: 964; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
What method do you use to measure the amount of signal you're getting?
14. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5908; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
iP5S scanner isn't exactly bullet-proof (see iOS s/w update article recently posted to PA).
Maybe Sammy can turn lemons into lemonaide by dropping the scanner entirely and cutting the price of the GS5 by $50?
25. ihavenoname (Posts: 1487; Member since: 18 Aug 2013)
Well, Touch ID is the best fingerprint scanner on smartphone and it works very well (nobody said it was perfect). And if it has bugs, Apple fixes them (as said).
57. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6668; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
wish u guys stop fighting which companies have the better finger sensor it's irrelevant.
26. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6668; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
FINGERPRINT SCANNER are USELESS.
31. Dante216 (Posts: 26; Member since: 18 Dec 2013)
So you've used the Galaxy S5 fingerprint scanner already? You know that it doesn't work like the 5S?
56. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6668; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
I have used the FINGER PRINT SCANNER on my ATRIX 4G i have to swipe my fingers a couple of times and still didn't react to my swipe so i stop using that feature and use the camera more. Wish companies would make other ways too unlocked a phone instead of using our prints to send for GOV'T DAT
61. joey_sfb (Posts: 3076; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
WP fan. No surprise where all your hate comes from? They have yield issue not software bug or functionality problem with the scanner.
Yield issue is the ability to produce enough component.
So far, every review say the finger scanner work.
Face the fact, Android is King and Samsung is on top of the food chain.
49. Ant34 (Posts: 193; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)
I agree. If you're going to do a fingerprint scanner why do a worse implementation than what's already out there?
62. willard12 (Posts: 859; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
"A working one", have you tried it already?
2. Rager722 (Posts: 198; Member since: 30 Jan 2013)
Has anyone else noticed that PA put the S5 on the list of "hot phones' and it wasn't even launched yet to determine how "hot" it's going to be.
6. emadshiny (Posts: 1142; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
They have put Z2 on the list as well and thats because everybody knows that S5 and Z2 are going to be hot phones and there is no need to wait.
But what is interesting to me is that Z2 is behind 5S and G2. LOL
9. Rager722 (Posts: 198; Member since: 30 Jan 2013)
I just noticed that as well. Smh PA is biased sometimes.
13. Federated (Posts: 243; Member since: 06 Mar 2010)
PA is biased always. Nothing new here. We know it, PA knows it.
27. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6668; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
Z2 won't be available here in the u.s. only on tmobile
32. alrightihatepickingusernames (Posts: 425; Member since: 29 Dec 2013)
Ahead of the 5S would make no sense at all. And at least in the US market the G2 will be ahead of the Z2.
52. givemespecs (unregistered)
That's your opinion and if you like creaky plastic then that's your choice. Personally I prefer quality. Samsung have introduced a half arsed fingerprint scanner and half arsed water proof just to say they have it on their device.
3. docj8404 (Posts: 72; Member since: 23 Jan 2013)
For an OEM as massive as Samsung with, I'm assuming near virtually unlimited budgets, they sure run into a lot of "supply" issues. (E.G. Exynos SoC's, AMOLED panels & now fingerprint scanners)
18. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5908; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
There is no such thing as unlimited budgets - not even for the U.S. govt. Sammy is managing their expenses. "Supply" issues are issues because they didn't estimate demand accurately and as a result, have a shortage of supply. There are never supply issues when there is too much supply; BB can attest to that circumstance.
41. docj8404 (Posts: 72; Member since: 23 Jan 2013)
I said with no such certainty that Samsung possessed such a budget, hence the word 'virtually', but even when taken in context, I am a bit more certain Samsung's allotted funding is leaps & bound over many other top OEM's in almost any given category whether it be marketing, R&D, or production.
4. emadshiny (Posts: 1142; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
ٌWhat's the aim of the author with the last sentence?
Again you want to imply that Sammy is copying Apple?
Your articles are so biased PA.
8. androiphone20 (Posts: 1503; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)
This is 2014, it is no longer a glitch or fault in the system anymore it IS the system. Drawing in more traffic ;)
10. Kishin (Posts: 630; Member since: 30 May 2013)
Not exactly he said "Like touch ID" nothing more.
16. Sauce (unregistered)
Because they are against YOUR opinion does not making something bias.
12. maherk (Posts: 1104; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
Same was said about the S4 camera's last year. And the same was said even about the 5s's touch id. Companies like Apple and Samsung, who sells atleast 50 million units of their flagships, start their production well before the announcement. The S5's release date is next month, don't you think that hundreds of ships are filled with the S5 and are already on their way to Europe, and the US?
Plus this is one report, let me know when it turns out to be reportSS.
20. darkkjedii (Posts: 12333; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Sniggly, artsim, gadget80, PAPINYC, EclipseGSX, topcat, and taters are sooooo crying rite now.
23. ArtSim98 (Posts: 3152; Member since: 21 Dec 2012)
Hey man, just to let you know I haven't cried for almost 3 days now!
29. androiphone20 (Posts: 1503; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)
Hehe you have, you just don't want to admit it :P
48. darkkjedii (Posts: 12333; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Ok my bad artsim. Topcats crying crocodile tears though.