Nokia wins another injunction against HTC in Germany; ruling covers all Android powered HTC devices
HTC will no doubt appeal this ruling, but unless it can convince the judge that it is likely to emerge victorious with its appeal, Nokia will have a chance to block the sale of all of these HTC devices, including forcing a recall from resellers. But in order to protect HTC in case it does win on the appellate level, Nokia will have to post a bond of 400 million EUR ($550 million USD).
Considering that we are talking about the possibility of a permanent, not a preliminary injunction here, there is a lot at stake for HTC. In fact, the patent involved covers something that is on almost every Android model. Nokia is allegedly in the midst of negotiations with Google owned Motorola, to license the patent. HTC, meanwhile, is challenging the validity of Nokia's patent before the Federal Patent Court of Germany.
About ten days ago, Nokia won an injunction against all of HTC's Android powered devices in Germany, from a different group of judges. The patent in that case dealt with the use of a PC's USB port by a smartphone.
source: FOSSPatents via WMPoweruser
1. tiara6918 (Posts: 1910; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)
Nokia became a huge b**** thanks to microsoft
6. lyndon420 (Posts: 2725; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
Yup. They can ban every Android phone out there..it will never make me want a Windows or IOS phone. I'll go back to a dumb flip phone before that ever happens.
8. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)
That's impossible, no one is afraid of Nokia (Microsoft). Just imagine that Nokia try to ban Sony's Android phones, Sony will beat Nokia's (Microsoft) a** with their Karate chop. And if Nokia (Microsoft) try to ban Huawei's Android phones, Huawei will kick Nokia's (Microsoft) a** with their Kungfu Bruce Lee style kick.
But if that ever happens, I will switch to BlackBerry.
48. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3575; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
He loves Lumia phones inside, and out!!!!
36. loveHEAVYMETAL (unregistered)
ban korean oem phone (lg, pantech,samsuck...opps is samsung and more),then they will beat MicroKia with their Teakwondo?
you are funny haha
20. sprockkets (Posts: 1565; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)
They wont' because some of them, Motorola for one, is licensed. Plucky HTC just won't pay up.
Maybe they should or shouldn't, but the author better be careful here, because Nokia went for ALL of HTC's phones in the US, not just android ones.
32. number29 (Posts: 185; Member since: 25 Jan 2013)
Cutting off your nose to spite your face there!
29. mr.techdude (Posts: 568; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
I had great respect toward Nokia and was happy that they've come back up, but when Nokia started to grow it's head too much like as shown in ads making fun of android and ios and now they are suing. If I saw the CEO of Nokia floppy, I'll give my finger right up to his face and pop his floppy head
3. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)
After the acquisition deal between Nokia and Microsoft, Nokia became a Horrendous Telephone Company.
4. PapaSmurf (Posts: 9727; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Yet they're viewed as a glorious company when in reality they're no better than Apple. PA fan base logic.
5. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)
Nokia is a glorious company before being acquired by Microsoft.
Old Nokia >>> New Nokia.
19. alterecho (Posts: 1094; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)
There's no doubt that Nokia is a glorious company.
Proof: They were able to keep an OS like Windows Phone 7/8 alive AND make profit using it. Nobody except Nokia could pull that off, considering the OS in question.
Glorious Nokia + (trojan virus + Microsoft) => tyrannical troll
23. o0Exia0o (Posts: 510; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)
I may be wrong, but I dont recall Nokia ever making a profit off of WP. They may have, but I am sure if they were making a profit then the would not be selling out to M$. Do you have any proof of Noika's profits that were made of of WP?
24. alterecho (Posts: 1094; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)
WP is the only thing holding back (by quite a measure), Nokia's devices.
33. number29 (Posts: 185; Member since: 25 Jan 2013)
I'd say you're held in very high regard if you're compared to Apple. It would be insulting to be compared to a company such as Samsung for instance.
41. PapaSmurf (Posts: 9727; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Are you seriously that naive to believe that?
7. Whateverman (Posts: 3236; Member since: 17 May 2009)
So Nokia/microsoft is going to kill off one of it's 2 or 3 partners? Wow! Samsung and Asus are sure to jump at the chance to fill the gap left by the HTC 8X.
15. Whateverman (Posts: 3236; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Yeah, somewhat. My thing is, Nokia doesn't need to do this. I think making HTC pay is fair. But Nokia makes (HANDS DOWN) the BEST handsets on the market right now. I don't like WP myself, but its nota bad OS at all! I could be wrong, but this just doesn't seem to help M$ in any way.
25. lalalaman (Posts: 518; Member since: 19 Aug 2013)
The deal with ms is not yet complete.....and if I were nokia I would have asked for the same or a big compensation....its patent we are talking about btw....ppl are so getting over nokia I don't knw why....:(
9. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3575; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Great❕ Glad for Nokia... Or Microkia.. Go ahead Nokia,, get everything all lined up so that the Lumia brand can be it's best under Microsoft's control...
I can't wait to see the fabulous devices that Nokia, and Microsoft, develop together in 2014.. Nokia worked hard for it's intellectual property, and others need to respect that..
This is great news for Windows Phone, and Microkias Lumia brand... The perfect combination..
And, for those who disagree with what I just said... Sorry, this is the reality of the situation.. There's no need to argue with me because this is it.. Microsoft, and Nokia, want this, and we can't change it.. Windows Phone is Lumia, and Lumia is WP.. F##* what the haters, and naysayers think❕
10. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)
Enjoy your Microd*cked Lumia, while we enjoy our Android phones and wait for old Nokia's comeback.
12. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3575; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
And, what makes you think I care if you get a Android phone made by Nokia❔.. All I care about is continued Lumia devices like the 1520 in my hand, being made available.. I'm hater so why would I give a rats a$$ about some Android device made by Nokia❔.. I could care less about Android.. If you get a Nokia device running Android then more power to you....
14. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)
LMAO! Nokia doesn't need Android to make a comeback. Yes, Android is the biggest chance but they can try Jolla, Firefox, revive Symbian and merge with Android, or stay with Windows Phone and keep the Nokia branding. Don't get me wrong, I still like Nokia (that includes Nokia Lumia), but I don't like Microd*cked Lumia.
17. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3575; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
The smart thing to do is to wait until that first Lumia device comes out under MS control.. I have to admit that I'm a little worried that something might change to, but it's kinda stupid to dismiss something that hasn't even been fully developed yet.. How can someone say they don't like something they've never seen❔ Crazy.. Besides, it's not like this is the first time MS and Nokia have ever worked together on a device... Heck, the WP team spent half of their time in Finland co developing all of the Lumia phones that we have today.. True WP fans understand how close the connection between MS, and Nokia has already been, so we don't look at this as just some MS takeover.. Its much more than that.. We're all just going to have to wait to see what happens,, instead of making stupid comments about things we have no clue about.. ;-)
44. flynfree (Posts: 374; Member since: 09 Jun 2013)
Nokia, it cannot comeback from where they are before. Just accept that your Nokia is behind the competition, just enjoy your Nokia,. You expressing that your so worshipping with your Nokia.
49. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3575; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Actually, my love goes like this..
1. Windows Phone
- 8million. You
53. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3575; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Thanks!... And I will continue to enjoy my Nokia Lumia 1520.. That's exactly what I want to do.. Trust me. Me, and all the other people who love Lumia devices, would still be enjoying or Lumia devices without you telling us too.. That's weird that you think that telling me to do something that I love to do would insult me, or make me feel bad... What are you❔
11. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3575; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Your plan sounds like we'll both be happy... I like that.. Thanks❕
16. Taters (Posts: 4377; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
Look at the Pandoras box that Apple has opened. Everyone should gang up and put an end to Nokia and Apple before they get too bitchy.
18. MartyK (Posts: 729; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)
They can't, because you have judge in the USA western appeal court ordering Motorola not to ban Microsoft product.
34. number29 (Posts: 185; Member since: 25 Jan 2013)
I think a better solution would be to put an end to all the copying and stealing that other companies take part in. Force them to innovate via a court order (this this ruling will force HTC to innovate).
21. amats69 (Posts: 1225; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
Im no more a nokia fan.....sad to say but im not happy on what they are doing now..they are more like apple now than the nokia i love before...
28. RaKithAPeiRiZ (Posts: 1440; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)
the real Nokia died with the N-Series , now its just a proxy for Micro-suck to declare war on the opensource platforms
22. Antonyjoseph (Posts: 216; Member since: 06 Apr 2013)
Intellectual property should count for something. I dont think Nokia's main interest is getting HTC banned, but they want to be paid for their patents. Fair enough. Samsung already has a deal with Nokia for using its patents.
35. number29 (Posts: 185; Member since: 25 Jan 2013)
That's precisely it. I don't know why so many people want these companies to be able to steal and get away with it. Instead of hounding the company that sues them for stealing, why not hound the company that stole?
37. willard12 (Posts: 1115; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
Can you name a company producing a mobile hand set that hasn't stolen? I once heard that stealing is done by all great artists.
51. Ric.B (Posts: 8; Member since: 17 Jun 2013)
With regards to IP on software my stand is this - it's not stealing if company B developed a program that performs function X rather than pay company A for the use of function X program that company A built. It is stealing if company B developed the program based on the actual source code of function X from company A. However with software patents - the former is also considered stealing because the patent is on the function itself. This is why I reckon software patents is a hindrance to advancement of software development since it limits the development of a better function X to the company that patented the function. I can't imagine where we'll be if S/W patent litigation were the rage in the 70's, 80's, and 90's.
40. moolotovzz (Posts: 24; Member since: 12 Mar 2013)
Germany is a rich country, those willing to buy HTC will ship it from other countries easilly and will boycott nokia for good.
43. axbog (Posts: 21; Member since: 03 Jun 2013)
LuLz...A company that almost went bust because it lacked innovation is suing the company that gave us the first Android phone (which led to the development of the proper smartphone of today). Something smells Microfishy.
45. elitewolverine (Posts: 3175; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
proper smartphone? That was apple not droid, as well windows had win ce, albiet clunky it worked the way it was supposed to. Apple took what was a nerd business device and made it cool and easy. You should be thanking apple not droid for this.
46. CEMIII (Posts: 110; Member since: 26 Jun 2013)
Yess Apple made them pretty. But they also started the patent trolling.
A little History
I have to stand with Nokia on this. IBM really started smart phone but it was Nokia (Communicator) who stabelized it & Microsoft solidified it in main stream w/ Windows CE & Mobile.
My opinion Android is a polished version of Windows mobile.
It is fine that all software companies go after each other to get paid on their tech & innovations. Either get a license or work out a deal.
Its like getting qualquam chipsets w/o paying for them & putting them in your device. They have to pay in advance.
Pay for it until you make it better then file your own patent.
HTC has a problem pay up period.
50. elitewolverine (Posts: 3175; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
Patent trolling or not, they were upheld, so it is what it is.
But for me android just isn't polished, I still use it, s3 and note series here. But I have more problems with them on a weekly or monthly basis than I do with my WP devices. Though I still like them a lot, especially the note's.
HTC certainly does have a problem. Especially since Nokia has these licensed to other companies for use at this time. Meaning they already have a implied value and not one that Nokia pulled out of thin air.
Also MS portfolio is huge, from making billions on droid sales, to making a profit everytime someone buys a blueray product (codecs hehe).
I just hate when people such as axbog actually think HTC or any other company would not defend patents that make them money.
52. -box- (Posts: 3964; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Unlike apple and google, who were quite late to the smartphone/PDA trends (not counting the Newton, that thing was a joke) Nokia actually made the industry what it was, is, and will be, and fully deserve to defend and enforce their developments. Much like Kodak (RIP) did for photography, Ford for cars, Goodyear for rubber, and numerous other examples, the industries they work in wouldn't be what they are and may not even exist without their crucial, long-lasting, and consistent contributions.
I said years ago that Nokia could/would/should defend all of its patents, forgoing royalties and licenses, and they'd be one of few phone manufacturers in business, with only those others with prior arrangements still functioning alongside them. No apple, Huawei, Asus, Fujitsu, Del, oppo, Pantech, maybe even sony, Samsung, lg, htc, sharp, etc. We'd be left with Nokia, Motorola, Ericsson, and maybe a few others, at the very least.
Yes it'd be somewhat wrong and anti-competitive, but when so much of the realm of wireless communication relies on Nokia concepts, creations, and productions, such that few can even comprehend it, it almost only seems fair. Unbalanced, but fair.
Alternately, it could license the heck out of the patents and such, and make oodles of money on almost every cell phone sold worldwide, if that were able to happen, but making that occur would be expensive and drawn-out.