Next-gen iPhone is "complicated and difficult to assemble," expected to ship in Q3
1. kcombs (Posts: 245; Member since: 15 Dec 2010)
whatever they do with iPhone it needs to have a bigger screen, I recently switched from my iPhone 4 to android and I like the android phone, but I would love another iPhone just with a 4in screen. if it has the same screen I think they would loose sales..
4. PhoneLuver (Posts: 466; Member since: 05 Jul 2010)
I totally agree with you! The other thing is battery life! No way I'm going back to suffering like I did with the 3GS!
5. EFchris91 (Posts: 22; Member since: 25 Jun 2010)
The battery life on the iPhone 4 is amazing..
10. kcombs (Posts: 245; Member since: 15 Dec 2010)
I agree, but after a year with my iPhone 4 its the same as my Samsung Infuse with a 4.5in screen, and my Samsung battery I can replace when it goes bad..
13. quakan (Posts: 1176; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)
I feel like apple needs to make a bigger screen for sure and improve battery life but i also think they shouldn't make it any thinner because i think the iphone 4 had just the right amount of thickness.
69. biggles (Posts: 212; Member since: 15 Oct 2009)
It means they'll probably raise the cost. Can you say $399 on contract for 32gb? Not worth it by any stretch.
3. clevername (Posts: 1428; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
I experiences the same thing when I had to make a switch and got a Samsung focus. I am so used to a 4in screen that it feels weird when I go back and play on my broken iPhone.
6. Whateverman (Posts: 3191; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Thinner screen sounds like it also could be more fragile. I know there are rumors of the metal back housing returning, but thinning out the screen seems to detract from the overall strength of the phone.
7. Lauren (unregistered)
The iPhone 5 will silence you fandroids completely with a polished, smooth, fluid device; qualities that have YET to appear in ANY of Android's 4654768465 handsets.
8. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Couldnt stand it that no one was dissing or dogging the iPhone, could ya?
Feel better now?
12. kcombs (Posts: 245; Member since: 15 Dec 2010)
the only reason iPhone is smoother is because it has no overlay software on it, take the overlay (motoblur, HTC sence, Samsung Touch Wiz) off and the phones run much faster and much smoother than iPhone. don't get me wrong I still like my iPhone sometimes better then my Samsung Infuse, but if apple continues to control it's owners and tells them what they can and cannot do they will continue to loose sales to android.
14. Lauren (unregistered)
Hmm, I beg to differ. Does the Galaxy Tab 10.1 ring a bell? It currently doesn't have Samsung Touch Wiz on it, yet it still lacks the fluidity of the iPad. Android just needs to work on aesthetics and smoothness. Until then, Android will always be the unpolished underdog, no matter what features they add.
15. kcombs (Posts: 245; Member since: 15 Dec 2010)
that's funny I wasn't talking about tablets..
21. Whateverman (Posts: 3191; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Since you started this...smooth is great, but is that all you got? Its a great device but that only takes you so far. What can I do with I after I'm done ohh-ing and ahh-ing about how smooth it is? You're still locked into iTunes, period! Unless you are willing to void your warranty and jailbreak your phone. I can download all kinds of launchers that make my Droid X just as smooth. What do I do when I get bored looking at the same 20 blocks on an iPhone? Sure, I could change the wallpaper, but my mom can do the same on her LG 8350.
The iPhone has no widgets, no flash, no customization, no SMS ringtone customization(I think), no custom ROMs, no side loading apps, no ability to survive a four foot drop in one piece, no live wallpaper, no other form factors, and basically no personality. Its popularity and some people's need to conform is what will make it the best selling device on the planet, not because it's better.
As for the polished look of the iPhone...if glossy icons is what makes a great phone too you, then you have the right device in the iPhone. But some of us prefer function, and when it comes to features, Android mops the floor with the iPhone. Until the iPhone can load non-iTunes apps without jailbreaking, it will forever be a FEATURE phone! Face it, iOS is outmuscled by Android in just about every respect. The ip4 has the best screen, camera and a simple UI, which makes it a good phone. But your iPhone is so closed and locked down, it will alway be the true underdog.
28. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
same tired arguments. most people can care less about custom roms, live wallpaper (really is this even a feature worth talking about?) etc. By the way you can jailbreak your iPhone and get all these things if you really want them and still have the smoother experience and better battery life. I don't jailbreak mine because I don't care about that childish stuff on my phone.
And to conform? Let's see last study Android had 38% of the smartphone market compared to about 26% for the iPhone. So wouldn't you be the conformist? That's such a dumb argument. Apple until recently had under 10% of the pc market and yet had a loyal fanbase from people who enjoyed their products. How would these people be followers or "sheep" when 90 of people were using windows. Seems Apple users are the free thinkers to me.
31. Sniggly (Posts: 6920; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
A sheep is someone who thinks what they're told to think and does what they're told to do. A sheep doesn't necessarily have to be part of a majority. People use Windows because of its wide range of uses, and because it's a useful platform that is easily compatible with everything. People use Apple computers if they want to look superior in the coffee shop or if they are into graphic design. And with the iPhone, even though it's no longer on top, it's still the phone pushed by the media, movies, shows, etc. You don't really see Android mentioned anywhere, and if it is, it's for a specific product in a commercial.
44. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
So people who use pc and android are free thinkers but people who use Apple are sheep even though Apple users are in the minority? You see how that makes no sense?
"people use windows because of it's wide range of uses"
What exactly is it that a Mac pc can't do?
You're a hopeless troll, but what's sad is you think you're intelligent.
48. Sniggly (Posts: 6920; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
A PC is far more compatible with various legal and business software, and much more customizable than a Mac. You can get a PC from whatever company for whatever price you want, optimized for whatever work or play you need.
You don't understand the definition of sheep, and you don't want to understand. It's actually quite hilarious how you've changed your tune, Taco. Used to be that all you talked about was how many people use iProducts; now you're trying to recast yourself as a rebel against the crowd. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
56. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I'm saying that to show you how your argument about sheep is dumb and pointless. Sheep are followers and so would go to the most popular product. If android is winning in market share how could iPhone users be sheep?
A pc is more cutomizable? Gtfo here. Did you know you can now custom order a Mac? My god youre a dips**t
60. Sniggly (Posts: 6920; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
No, sheep do not automatically go to the most popular whatever. If you were right then cults would not exist.
And the argument over what's more customizable comes down to the total number of permutations you can get. Windows wins that one hands down.
33. Whateverman (Posts: 3191; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Saw you coming a mile away taco. Isn't the "smoothest experience" argument even more tired? You can think of it as childish all you want and I'm not saying you should want it. But why not offer it seeing as though it is very popular? Sure you could get it but again since Apple wasn't allowed to send you to jail for it, they now just void your warranty if you do. And that LG 8350 I was talking about has a better battery life than the iPhone too, does that make it a better phone?
And I never said everyone with an iPhone is a conformist, I just said that's one reason why it's so popular. I recognize there are many iOS users who just love the tech but there are many people who want it just because...it's an iPhone! This is an actual reason given to me by customers. They never said anything about the "smooth experience" or better battery life. It was just because it's an iPhone. If you don't like that, tell your fellow iOS users to stop giving that as a reason.
I am part of that loyal fan base of Mac computers you are talking about. Most people buy PCs because it's what they are used to and it's cheaper. Two completely different senarios here, so give me a better analogy.
46. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
So if you're a Mac user why do you pick that over pc when you can get double the specs on a windows for what you paid for your Mac?
50. Whateverman (Posts: 3191; Member since: 17 May 2009)
I got tired of viruses and spyware. And there was no way I was going to Vista or backwards to XP. And my Mac has outlasted every PC I've ever owned or used, even my work computer. It's easy to use and I can get sw from downloads.com for free. Had Apple applied the same philosophy to their phones as they do their computers, I would probably own one right now.
55. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
That is the same thing. People like iPhones because they're stable, easy to use, built to last. Theyre absolutely using the same philosophy. Thevthings that are limited are for stability and battery life for the most part.
61. Whateverman (Posts: 3191; Member since: 17 May 2009)
No I have to disagree there. They limit their phones and tablets to maximize profits. There is only one place you can go on those devices to get content...iTunes. It's a good strategy from a business point of view, but imagine if they applied that closed ecosystem to their Mac lineup where you have to buy iwork and cant download Open Office, iMacs would be useless.
64. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Well 1. What you're doing is stealing because those are pay for programs. However if you do want to steal then you can do the same on the iPhone by jailbreaking it. You can get all apps and music for free.
Mac has an app store as well you're just circumventing it.
Lol at Macs would be useless if you couldn't steal software.
75. Whateverman (Posts: 3191; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Well 1. It sounds like you have never heard of download.com and didn't take the time before posting to check it out. Since it's obvious that you are not as technically inclined as you pretend to be let me explain. Download.com is basically the downloads tab on CNET.com. CNET.com is a tech review site where they review cellphones, TVs, cars computers, etc, etc. They review both free and paid programs, and they provide links for downloading these programs, hence the name. They even have a whole section dedicated to mac computer, and these people called "Developers" write all kinds of programs just for mac computers. I know, it weird right? Now, since Open Office is a free application, I didn't steal anything. These "developers" gave it to me to use on my computer.
Next time you might wanna do a little research before you call someone a thief. It helps to make you look like you know what your talking about.
90. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
is iWork also a free application? Also jailbreaking doesn't void your warranty. I think you're full of s**t trying to pretend you're not biased.
62. IPhone4eva (unregistered)
No widgets?! No customization?! No SMS Ringtones?!? Are you that inept???? OBVIOUSLY you don't know a thing or two about the capabilities of an IPhone and what it can do once it's jailbroken! For your info, you CAN add widgets on custom themes....wait a minute, did I say CUSTOM?? Last I checked that is a form of customization! As far as Itunes is concerned, we CAN get our music absolutely free! And as for the apps, we can get ALL of our apps for free as well. Last I checked, you you still have to pay for some of your apps AFTER you root your paper weight...err...droid.
67. Whateverman (Posts: 3191; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Why is it that every iPhone fan assumes that I know nothing about your little false idol just because I like Android better? Not only do I know about your little phone, I also have a jail broken iPad! Also, i've been a technician for several years selling and fixing Iphones, Blackberries, and Droids. Oppps...Didn't see that coming did you? So obviously i know a little more than you think about about all cellphone OSs and OBVIOUSLY you know now what happens when you make assumptions, right? You make an a** of you and sumption, LOL! I know you USED to be able to get all apps for free before the app that gave you that ability was removed from Cydia. If its back, that sucks because now you're pirating apps from developers who worked hard on that SW, and now they have no way to make up the lost revenue. At least a free app on Android has ads, so that way they can get paid for their work.
I still stand behind my statement, the iPhone HAS NO CUSTOMIZATION unless you are willing to void your warranty and jailbreak it. My Android comes with everything I need to make my phone unique which is important to me. If you unlock you phone and look at the screen, what info can you get from just that homescreen??? The how many notifications you missed, see the time? You can't do anything from your home screen except pick which app you want to open. If you have the ATT iPhone, you probably don't even see any bars! I got music, stocks, weather, my last SMS, traffic updates, news updates, an email widget and pictures of my smoking hot wife all WITHOUT rooting it! Now that's customization!
And that whole "paper weight" comment was kinda cute. But I tell you what...let's loose our phone cases, go outside and both drop our phones on the concrete from waist high. Let's see whose really walking around with a paper weight after that. After you pay your deductible and get you new iPhone, come back here and pick on somebody who doesn't know there stuff, because you just got seriously owned!
74. TreyTreyTaylor (Posts: 309; Member since: 21 Dec 2010)
You my good sir are the King of ripping. Straight creamed his ass.
76. Whateverman (Posts: 3191; Member since: 17 May 2009)
I've been trying to be a nice guy, but I keep getting called out for no reason. It's my Avatar, isn't it?
77. ableroner (unregistered)
Umm. You realize that it only voids your warranty if you bring the phone in with jailbroken software. You can do a factory restore and it'll be fine. I've done it before.
84. Whateverman (Posts: 3191; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Yeah, that's the word, but some say they can still tell if the rep digs for a certain file. I don't know if that's true or not.
17. iosmaster (unregistered)
i have an sgs with raw android and still gets laggy i dont understnd bench mark mine with lagfix does 1972 on the score and my iph4 runs smoother and even games start faster like asphalt 5 angry birds i mean alot faster but i admit that inside the game already loaded it the same btw i love SGS display hate performance.
20. Sniggly (Posts: 6920; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Hate to disappoint you, sweetcheeks, but after the Gingerbread update my Droid X actually does run pretty smoothly, with almost no lag. That's with Widgets running on my homescreen, something the yawn-worthy, boring iPhone home screen doesn't have.
And just so you know, I wasn't planning on dissing Apple or the iPhone until I saw your comment.
23. iosmaster (Posts: 115; Member since: 06 Jul 2011)
so sweet but im just telling you my experience with my SGS still laggy with gingerbread and darky rom and kernel boost still laggy on interface i admit its faster on graphics more fluid on images i can see a small improvement specially on angry birds i sense a more fluid game vs the iph4 but its just a little, but on the interface falls still, to slow and again its my SGS
45. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
So it's taken 2 years to get an update where you have a decent android phone? Nice!
49. Sniggly (Posts: 6920; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
No, Taco. It took about 11 months to eliminate homescreen lag. The Droid X has always been a great phone, just laggy on the homescreen because of Blur.
57. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Androids been out over 2 years. I thought you loved moto blur? Why would you love something that's buggy and laggy? You sheep.
78. Sniggly (Posts: 6920; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I never said it was buggy. I said that the homescreen was laggy. I do love Motoblur, because despite the lag it provides some great functionality. Now, if I were a true sheep I would deny that my phone has any problems whatsoever, and was absolutely perfect and that any alternative to it was a total piece of s**t and... oh wait, I just realized that I'm describing you. Funny how I always get the two acts mixed up.
I recognize when there's flaws with any product I use, little annoyances. Whether I like a product depends on whether my overall experience trumps those small annoyances. The answer is... you guessed it, Motoblur, especially now, provides a great experiences despite the flaws it used to have.
88. ilia1986 (unregistered)
omg how did I miss taco coming in and bringing the fun to this thread?
Taco, did you remember to pack your ibreakfast this morning? full of A5 chips, I presume? but it wasn't your father Steve who made them, though - it was Uncle Samsung!
89. ableroner (unregistered)
I assume by "making" you mean manufacturing.
but apple designed the SOC with the A9 as the architecture. Samsung just assembles them.
79. ableroner (unregistered)
There's no answer to CoreAnimation on Gingerbread. There's no GPU acceleration for UI animations. It looks choppy. You just don't notice it.
43. George2315 (unregistered)
Yeah the best part of the new iOS will be that orginal notifications bar at the top that you can scroll down. Oh wait doesn't Android already have that? That being said....both operating systems have their pros and cons. The new iOS 5 might have some improvements but so will Ice Cream Sandwich. I'd personally rather have something open source and not so controlled.
18. dannynoble (unregistered)
damn iFan is having an orgasm, we're just saying that iPhone need a bigger screen. how does android's fluidity come into play here?
24. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Sorry - no bigger screen on this one. Too early to upgrade resolution - and very un-Apple to lower ppi.
Btw after trying Ubuntu (It's Awesome) I also understand that Apple didn't invent that Mac OS X software as well. Instead of buying an extremely overpriced macbook\pro\air - just install ubuntu on your laptop - even if it's far from being a hardware beast. If you really want you can install a Mac OSX theme for free.
The ONLY thing that Apple did do very right by themselves in this regard - and one to which I am yet to find and alternatives is iWork...
36. NeXoS (Posts: 278; Member since: 03 May 2011)
They should pay their factory workers MORE MONEY if it's such a highly difficult technical assembly project. And then pass those costs onto Apple.
37. Sniggly (Posts: 6920; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Apple would never allow it. They're all about maximizing the cash going into their coffers, no matter what ethical price they pay.
53. Dace0ne (unregistered)
Sniggly...I think you're mistaken...the iPhone is actually on top......you keep on talking about android like its a phone....android is a software (not a phone) that is used on hundreds of devices. So when you compare 1 phone to 100+ phones you're point sounds silly.
The reason the iPhone and Macs are shown on TV and in the Movies is because apple pays for the product placement.
Honestly I applaud google for the effort they've put into android but I think it would be a lot better if they had control of the phones they put their software on...no?
58. Sniggly (Posts: 6920; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
The iPhone is the top selling single model, yes, but that hardly matters. When it comes to smatlrtphones Android is the top operating system. That's what I'm talking about.
54. baldilocks (Posts: 505; Member since: 14 Dec 2008)
I think all of these 'rumors' are funny. They all contradict each other. Steve Jobs is laughing his ass of at all of these so called 'analysts'..no wonder it has the word 'anal' in it because they don't know s**t.
66. Tmachaveli (Posts: 425; Member since: 01 Apr 2011)
this is so funny..i love reading what ppl say on here .i just think get whatever,phone u like the best..i'm a android man myself and i like what ti does for me.i can get 12-14 hours a day and that's good enough for me and i using a dam samsung moment lol(.getting photon 4g when it comes ou)t..I could go on and on about why i don't like the iphone but i don't feel i need to do that because at the end of the day a person gonna buy what they want to
71. SomeGuy (unregistered)
It is funny. I love the anger in these comment sections. People freak the eff out.
85. IEatApples (Posts: 66; Member since: 06 Jul 2011)
Yea man if you get angry from reading these comments then maybe you shouldn't read these comments. People come here to argue over phones because they think its fun, and thats what the comments section is for. Go complain on your local news site or something, then maybe you ca make a difference. Also who cares how thin the new iphone is cause it will never have anything on android. I would easily break a phone as thin as the phone in this articles picture. i like my 11mm thick atrix.
87. BenCjamin (Posts: 78; Member since: 13 May 2011)
I say when apple finally breaks down and gets a contract with adobe flash instead of being "we're too good for that" idiots then they will have a product that will be superior to android until that day comes android will always come out on top.