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Apple asks for $2.5 billion from Samsung to cover amount it "unjustly enriched itself" by

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"Apple also conservatively estimates that it is entitled to over $25 million in reasonable royalty damages on the proportionally small set of remaining sales for which it cannot obtain an award of Samsung's profits or Apple's own lost profits, for a combined total of $2.525 billion."-Apple filing
Apple has finally put a price tag on the the patent infringement court battle it has been waging against Samsung. In a filing made to a District Court in California, Apple asks for $2.525 billion from the Korean based manufacturer, arguing that Samsung had unjustly profited by that amount from the sales of its Galaxy devices. Apple claims that the Galaxy line copies the look and feel of the Apple iPhone and Apple iPad. The Cupertino based firm said it has lost $500 million in profits itself from Samsung's alleged patent infringements.

Additionally, Apple says that it is entitled to over $25 million for "reasonable royalty damages" for the remaining amount of Samsung's sales and lost Apple earnings that the iPhone manufacturer cannot get back from the courts. And Apple might be able to raise the stakes as the law provides for triple damages in some situations where it can be proved that there was a willful disregard of the patents.

Apple demands big bucks from Samsung

Apple demands big bucks from Samsung

Apple broke down the amount it is demanding for each unit allegedly infringed upon, by the particular patent involved. $2.02 per unit for each Samsung model that infringed on the overbounce scroll patent, $3.18 for the scrolling API patent, $2.02 for tap to zoom, and $24 for the use of Apple's design patents. On the other hand, in case Samsung prevails on any of its counter claims, Apple is demanding that Samsung receive no more than $.0049 per unit for each infringed patent.

The trial is set to start July 30th as both firm's CEOs, Apple's Tim Cook and Samsung's Choi Gee-sung, met in an unsuccessful attempt to work out a solution to the world wide legal battles between the two firms.

source: FOSSPatents

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posted on 24 Jul 2012, 14:26 4

1. Jay_F (Posts: 236; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)


Harsh... In the end their legal fees will well outweigh any litigation even if it ends up in their favor.

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 14:51 26

19. a1000smiles4u (Posts: 84; Member since: 24 Apr 2012)


Apple recently patent the word "wife"
Now u'll be sued by Apple Inc for calling ur wife wife.

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 17:11 8

56. Angkor (Posts: 108; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


Apple never lost profit by Galaxy line tablets. Judge Koh is crazy by Apple money paid to her in bribe.

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 18:32 5

67. andro. (Posts: 1999; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)


Legal representatives have stated the word 'bife' has been deemed acceptable by apple to be used as an alternative

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 18:36 2

69. warriorbeats (Posts: 21; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)


thats stupid

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 14:29 19

2. schecter7 (Posts: 99; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)


LMAO - that's some funny sh*t right there.

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 14:51 21

18. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Especially the part that Sammy's patents IN TOTAL are worth only 1/2 of 1 penny.... And people wonder why Sammy is fighting Apple. At this point, Sammy has no choice but to challenge the validity of every patent that Apple is trying to assert.

Apple is just being a PIG.

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 18:23 4

62. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


All I can say after this....is wow.

It is beyond funny. Borderline hysterical....

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 22:04 7

79. smartphone (Posts: 160; Member since: 21 Oct 2011)


These are very basic features and are available on almost every smartphone.
Apple strategy - take down the greatest rival and others will submit without fighting.
Please Apple try sueing nokia - microsoft and then you will get lessons about true patents in telecommunications and smartphones.

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 14:29

3. Tre-Nitty (Posts: 470; Member since: 16 Nov 2010)


So you think if Apple is awarded 2 billion, the legal fees will outweigh that?

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 14:37 4

10. Jay_F (Posts: 236; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)


Ok I exaggerated lol. I honestly don't think that they're even in this for the money anymore. Sure it's 2 billion which is still unfathomable to most people, but to a company as big as Apple I just don't see what they'd get out of it. They're worth over $600 billion. They just want the victory over Samsung that gives them the bragging rights that the courts decided that Samsung copied from Apple.

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 14:43 16

15. remixfa (Posts: 14586; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


what are they getting out of it? They are basically suing for every penny samsung has ever made on the galaxy line-- quite literally.

Like everything else , apple is overreaching hoping to scare competition into submission.

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 15:07

23. cptbeatstix (Posts: 101; Member since: 19 Jul 2012)


Thus is the vicious cycle business. When someone's product rivals yours, you do whatever it takes to stay in first. The only difference with this situation is that Apple is taking on almost every android manufacturer to try to remain king of phone and tablet sales. Honestly, Sammy thankfully has other amazing products (i.e. Fridges, washers and dryers) to keep them afloat. Just wait until Apple tries to sue Microsoft, they will be pummeled into the ground by a real Communications giant.

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 15:38

43. remixfa (Posts: 14586; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


those are not the same company. Samsung is a conglomerate of a dozen or more separate companies or "arms". Samsung electronics, construction ,ship making, mobile/display, ect are all separate pieces that dont profit share with each other. The samsung "hub" might have access to all, but thats about it.
Also, samsung's mobile electronic business is by far its most profitable. Cutting off that arm is a serious blow to samsung.

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 17:16

57. cptbeatstix (Posts: 101; Member since: 19 Jul 2012)


But, I don't think it's going to kil Samsung off as a whole. I do stand corrected on the "arm" sense of the company.

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 19:07 1

72. joey_sfb (Posts: 6402; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


Apple don't have the guts to sue M$. M$ is no push over and Apple knows it. They playing my enemy's enemy is my friend card.

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 19:34 1

74. Jay_F (Posts: 236; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)


What the hell are you talking about?? Are you saying that Samsung is a pushover? Evidently not. Apple has no reason whatsoever to go after Microsoft at this point in time since Windows has to this point been unsuccessful in the mobile phone/tablet market. Maybe if Microsoft makes a serious statement with Windows(phone) 8, Apple will consider what moves they'll make up to go after Microsoft.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 14:42

87. lauremar (Posts: 181; Member since: 29 Feb 2012)


That is because M$ owns half of Apple! Remember when Apple was about to go under / bankrupt and and Jobs came back as CEO? Jobs talked to Gates and borrowed a boat load of $$$ to save Apple Inc. This is the main reason why Apple will never sue Microsoft.

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 14:29 38

4. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"Apple claims that the Galaxy line copies the look and feel..."

How it is possible to copy a feel ?
Does Apple have patents for a feelings ? :D

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 15:08 13

24. cptbeatstix (Posts: 101; Member since: 19 Jul 2012)


Apple has feelings?

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 15:24 12

31. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


If greed counts as a feeling, then yes.

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 15:25 1

33. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


Luxury products get copied all the time. Just go to mainland China, the land of knockoffs -- these knockoff artists are experts in copying the look and feel of any luxury product.

Have you looked into the Rolex -- that is one great example of a product where its look and feel is being copied.

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 15:29 3

35. smartphonemad (Posts: 42; Member since: 10 Jul 2012)


ifans talk about how cheap Samsung devices feel compared to apples... So how is this copying?!

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 15:29 2

37. cdgoin (Posts: 559; Member since: 28 Jul 2010)


In the amount the Samsung phones copies the iPhone look and feel, The iPhone copies the look and feel of half the HTC Windows Mobile 6.5 phones that were out a year before the first iPhone. I am really surprised MS hasnt taken on Apple, after all the crap they gave MS for being a "monopoly". Whos acting like a "monopoly" now..?

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 20:57 3

78. chebner (Posts: 235; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


Hey Ardent, comparing Samsung to knock off artists making fake Rolexes shows the world how much you lack the capicity for intelligent thought.

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 14:32 10

5. ilia1986 (unregistered)


LOL this is really funny.

It's as if Hitler were to demand 2.5 billion dollars for the damage the US caused during the second world war. And yes, the reference is intentional.

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 14:33 7

6. structureman116 (Posts: 141; Member since: 14 Sep 2010)


Unreal! Just to clarify for Apple...I have a VZW GNex...my wife has a VZW cryphone...my Gnex does not look or feel anything like her piece of $h*t!

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 14:34 8

7. ekia007 (Posts: 61; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


Never heard of a story on Apple lost 2.5 billion because of Samsung. All the articles is about Apple is breaking record on selling iPhone and iPad. Such a ridiculous amount to ask from Samsung. If I were a Judge, I will immediately reject their filing. Non sense at all!!! Greedy Tim Cook!!!

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 18:26 2

63. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


E x a c t l y.

posted on 24 Jul 2012, 14:34 5

8. thedarkside (Posts: 654; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


yeah... im done. complete nonsense.

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