Rumor: Samsung Galaxy Note 4 to come with a 12MP OIS camera, not a 16MP one
1. rayman173 (Posts: 61; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
Why would samsung take a step back that doesn't make any sense to me either.
2. sar44 (Posts: 278; Member since: 14 Apr 2014)
no sony bsi sensor pleeeeaaase. It would be magafacepalm
10. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 3492; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
12 MP is OK coz it has OIS but it should be ISOCELL. But I don't think so, it would be 16 MP definitely.
6. CanYouSeeTheLight (Posts: 1075; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
And why do you think it will be a step back? Because of lower megapixels?
If they retain the 1/2.6" sensor with 12 megapixel the pixel size will be bigger improving low light performance which imo is a needed improvement to the GS5, it will also help with noise. I stand up for Samsung doing this it will only improve one of the best mobile cameras.
9. sar44 (Posts: 278; Member since: 14 Apr 2014)
For better low light performance need ois. What you wrote almost no effect
24. Genza (Posts: 369; Member since: 12 Mar 2014)
"For better low light performance need ois"
You are totaly wrong about OIS.
OIS is nothing to do with better low light performace because OIS is only designed for reducing blur that results from minute shaking of a camera/lens due to hand-held shooting.
If you want better low light performance you need bigger sensor with less megapixel with larger pixel size + brighter and wider lens.
What "CanYouSeeTheLight" is true 1/2.6" sensor with 12 megapixel with larger pixel size will have better low light performance than 1/2.6" sensor with 16 megapixel with smaller pixel size.
28. sergiobr (Posts: 537; Member since: 25 Feb 2013)
Give me a better low light performance (and a bigger sensor) and I don´t care below 16 Mpx !
31. mixedfish (Posts: 725; Member since: 17 Nov 2013)
No, you are totally wrong, OIS decreases the required shutter speed to get a sharp and clear image for a given amount of camera shake (ie your hand). By decreasing the shutter speed you therefore have a brighter image. Alternatively you could keep the same shutter speed and lower the ISO, giving you less noise.
32. Genza (Posts: 369; Member since: 12 Mar 2014)
Yeah slower shutter speeds can help you in low light conditions but using slow shutter speeds in low light also increase the risk of image blur through camera shake even with OIS.
Slow shutter speeds also useless for moving object,
So if you want the real low light improvements you need bigger sensor with large pixel size and brighter lens, with all of that you can also get faster focusing in low light, greater dynamic range and decrease the risk of image blur basically better overall image quality.
37. sar44 (Posts: 278; Member since: 14 Apr 2014)
Facepalm. OIS=longer exposuse, more light
What you wrote almost no effect because the difference is very small
39. Genza (Posts: 369; Member since: 12 Mar 2014)
Lol... OIS =/= Long exposure because you can get that feature even without the OIS.
for example with OPPO N1 you can take a long exposure photo for up to 8 seconds, up to 32 seconds with OPPO Find 7a and unlimited with iphones + NightCap Pro app.
But like i said before using Long exposure/slow shutter speeds will increase the risk of image blur caused by camera shake and moving subject even for a phones with advance 3 axis OIS like lumia phones.
Long exposure photography that involves using a long duration shutter speed is only good for stationary subject or if you want to get interesting/cool effects and the best tool for that is a tripod.
By increasing the the sensor size you'll be able to increase the pixel size for example (1/2.3") 16MP sensor with (±) 1.34 µm pixel size will be better than (1/2.6") 16MP sensor with 1.12 µm, because larger pixel will collect more light flux than a small pixel, resulting in a better signal to noise ratio in the image.
Another solution is decrease the MP count to increase pixel size.
And using brighter lens with wide aperture will also improve the low light performance because it allowing more light to be collected by the sensor.
So by using bigger sensor with large pixel size + brigther lens will have much more significant/real improvements in low light conditions than just some tricks like OIS + long exposure.
And if you want to do some long exposure photography a tripod will be better than any OIS.
41. sar44 (Posts: 278; Member since: 14 Apr 2014)
without ois and with long exposure = noise
What you wrote difference is very small
s5 1/2.6 no ois - bad low light
g3 1/3 ois - good low light
34. rd_nest (Posts: 1112; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)
You have no clue what you talking about, don't come back here again.
15. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)
I think they're just following in Apple's footsteps; so expect two steps back instead on 'a step back'.
17. Adrian38 (Posts: 140; Member since: 05 Nov 2012)
Why is it a step back? Megapixels don't mean anything if the software isn't optimized to utilize them. I've seen some 8MP cameras destroy 12 and 13 megapixel cameras.
30. akki20892 (Posts: 3781; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
I think they gonna slim down note 4....
33. rd_nest (Posts: 1112; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)
Because only ignorant people thinks that going to 12MP or 16MP is a step back.
If you think that MP count is the only measure for camera quality, you are not worth debating.
35. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 7030; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
BIG PHONE doesn't need a BIG CAMERA. 12MP should be fine man. G3 have OIS 12MP
3. ckoch125 (Posts: 191; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
12mp with OIS will most likely be better than 16 without. More MP do not automatically make it better
4. ajac09 (Posts: 1430; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
Completely false. Probably a different phone.
5. azalucel (Posts: 105; Member since: 27 Dec 2013)
The s5 is .6 inches smaller then the note 4 so they have the room for a bigger sensor downgrading is just stupid
7. CanYouSeeTheLight (Posts: 1075; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
Sensor size =/= megapixels... *sigh*
12. azalucel (Posts: 105; Member since: 27 Dec 2013)
No what i was meaning was that they have the size to keep 16 mp and bsi and just add ois (why is it so hard to use words not everyone understands symbols)
8. tontolou (Posts: 7; Member since: 29 Mar 2014)
reduce the megapixel is a worth trade off if samsung improve low light picture (low noise and better details) and it's will even better if the sensor size is bigger than those on S5 .. interesting
11. Lampriya (banned) (Posts: 245; Member since: 05 Oct 2013)
Boring!!! Is this samsung arena? pls, some news about the iPhone 6.
14. azalucel (Posts: 105; Member since: 27 Dec 2013)
Your golden iterd is in steve jobs keister go dig it up and leave us adults alone kiddie
16. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)
Lol ..... But, don't you mean iKeister???
19. azalucel (Posts: 105; Member since: 27 Dec 2013)
No its steve jobs MYkeister the wonderful new case for the Iterd
21. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)
Could've been worse, could've been his KYKeister ..... lol
23. azalucel (Posts: 105; Member since: 27 Dec 2013)
If it was KYkeister then that would make it the Idildo
20. Lampriya (banned) (Posts: 245; Member since: 05 Oct 2013)
funniest comment from hater. This is a free site, and I can come here to talk about everything that I like.
22. azalucel (Posts: 105; Member since: 27 Dec 2013)
Only free cause your in america maybe they should ban the iphone to china and ban talking about it so we can get rid of all this bs look buying an iphone is like buying nike or jordans you pay for the name when you can get better quality out of cheaper devices
25. Twisted247 (Posts: 282; Member since: 12 Oct 2012)
Makes sense actually, with the mega pixel race going on you'd think that LG would have bumped the camera from 13MP w/ OIS on the G2 to something higher on the G3 but it stayed the same only adding laser focus while retaining OIS.
So maybe there is something to that, like maybe a sensor with 16mp and OIS hasn't found its way into smaller phones (sub 8.5mm)
26. redbaronk12 (Posts: 40; Member since: 14 Dec 2013)
Cameras have enough pixels, and don't need more. Screens have enough pixels and don't need more. Let's concentrate on some quality improvements worth the money. Like screen brightness, accuracy, and energy consumption. And low light cameras.
27. james.blunt.1973 (Posts: 38; Member since: 15 Dec 2013)
I don't care how MegaPixels it has as long as OIS and LowLight presents...
29. geordie8t1 (unregistered)
megapixels has hardly any effect on the quality of the photo in comparison to the software, the sensor, and other factors, i doubt samsung will stick a 12mp camera in simply because its a numbers game, and like with the HTC One (M7) 4 ultrapixel flop, people wont respond to a device that appears to be less superior then its predecessor or then the competition, yes us techy people understand how these devices work, but the mainstream of people will just see, galaxy note 13mp, galaxy note 4 12mp WTF? and they wont give it another thought but oh its weaker but newer......peoples logic lol
36. GreekGeek (Posts: 955; Member since: 22 Mar 2014)
Geez, Megapixel count downgrade doesn't matter you noobs...
40. psychoid (Posts: 4; Member since: 20 Feb 2014)
I recently purchased a samsung galaxy camera new for $$120 . i would never be able to buy any apple product at such a reduced price. apple market themselves as a prestige product , those who buy apple identify with the idea of distinction and this association makes the.m feel better about themselves, one might say that products such as these are for people with low self esteem and only by association are they able improve their self image.