Report: Microsoft running behind on finishing WP8
The original timeline was apparently scuttled by a series of bugs and feature delays – apparently HTC in particular has had a difficult time eliminating the bugs from WP8 builds, and this was explicitly cited as the reason why HTC had to schedule a much later announcement of its WP8. While Samsung and Nokia have made announcements, it’s worth noting that neither launch event allowed journalists to spend any time with the devices, and subsequent PR events have either involved the handling of dummy phones, or putting live phones behind glass.
Microsoft is said to be working at a feverish pace to take WP8 gold later this week or early next. Even if they hit that date though, it puts carriers and OEMs in a bit of a bind. We analyzed this problem a bit when discussing the putative November 2nd launch date for the Nokia 920 – оnce Nokia (or other OEMs) get the final gold version from Microsoft (presumably mid-September at the earliest) they will have six weeks at best to finishing integrating and trouble-shooting the final software onto their handsets, get them to carriers, and have the carriers successfully test and certify them for launch. Verizon routinely pushed back launches by that much when they don’t like the initial round of testing (See: Verizon Galaxy Nexus), so despite Microsoft’s efforts to reduced testing time this is an exceptionally compressed timeline.
some carriers may go without the usual bloatware for the initial launch to help shorten the testing period (any additional software has to be tested) and it’s easy to imagine that some OEM customizations may get squeezed out as well in an attempt to meet deadlines. But those deadlines are important – an early November launch coupled with a strong Windows RT marketing push (possibly helping to drive up interest in the new UI) would still allow the bulk of holiday shoppers to take a serious look at WP8 this year. Pushing the launch dates back by 3-4 weeks would end with December launches (possibly mid-December for Samsung or HTC), and would really gut the roll out of WP8.
Even a small delay of a week or two could place the launch of WP8 devices behind the expected onslaught of multiple Android Nexus devices this fall, making it that much harder to make a splash. We’re sure everyone is working as hard as they can, but such rush jobs also invite the risk of significant bugs slipping through – which could also hurt word of mouth. In short, the teams at Microsoft, Nokia, Samsung, and HTC need to hurry up but not do a rush job, and the initial success or failure of WP8 may depend on how well they can balance those opposing needs.
It will be a huge engineering challenge, and we certainly wish them all the best of luck. How do you see this playing out? Let us know in the comments section below!
source: The Verge
1. arsenaljimenez (Posts: 132; Member since: 03 May 2012)
I just want it in my hands already :P
37. MeoCao (unregistered)
That's is the main reason why you should never rely on MS exclusively. Years of monopoly have taken creativity and professionalism from MS.
56. cdgoin (Posts: 335; Member since: 28 Jul 2010)
Right because Apple isn't trying to be a monopoly and iOS is so innovative.. oh wait.
2. bbonline (Posts: 38; Member since: 24 Feb 2011)
Microsoft needs to get it together and release this in no time or they risk losing marketshare for another year. Not good...
32. fanboy1974 (Posts: 817; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)
Exactly!!! If Micro"soft" had any backbone Windows 8 would have came out a month ago. And your going to release it after a major iPhone redesign (in Appleland 0.5 inch is major for them, not Android). Just plan stupid.
36. Alistaire (Posts: 132; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
I rather they get it right. Not in a rush. Still very happy with my WP7.5. Will definitely upgrade to WP8 when it's ready.
3. PAPINYC (Posts: 1834; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)
Update: Microsoft still running behind on finishing Windows Mobile 7.5!
4. lubba (Posts: 1309; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
Nokia needs to release the f**king 920 on all carriers except sprint of course. Polish the os and take your time. Please the 920-Verizon, ATT, Tmo!. Everyone know why ios always stable and ready for update and release after announcement? Because the os hasn't changed much since launch! Its just that every year they make little addictions to keep, you know who coming back.
6. rsiders (Posts: 190; Member since: 17 Nov 2011)
They do need to release on all carriers cause as a T-Mobile I'm really tired of the little brother affect and that's not just with Nokia but Samsung and HTC as well. ATT got the best of all Windows Phones while T-Mobile got the midrange offerings. And if T-Mobile is solely to blame for this trend, they need to get it together.
10. Rydsmith (Posts: 79; Member since: 20 Jun 2012)
Your last sentence hit it on the head. T-Mobile is the one to blame as they did not want the Lumia 900, they want the "little brother" phones on their line up and do not want to the higher quality experience.
- HTX One X vs One S
13. lubba (Posts: 1309; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
How do you explain GS3 and their short stint with GS note? Tmo is just a 4th place carrier that will never move forward or back.
30. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
Yeah, G-Note about a week or two before the new G-Note is announced. Tmo needs to kick it in gear, the SIII is the only thing they've really grabbed that's good.
14. -box- (Posts: 3470; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Maybe AT&T is outbidding T-Mo for the phones?
17. lubba (Posts: 1309; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
They must of all won gs3 and iPhone on the same bid.
40. -box- (Posts: 3470; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Sprint is too heavily invested in the iFail, their current network is minimally effective at structure penetration, the only part of their current network that will still be running in 3-5 years is the new LTE that they just started rolling out, and their current business plan is unsustainable unless they have the customer base of AT&T or Verizon and customers that use their phones like they were in the late "oughts".
5. rsiders (Posts: 190; Member since: 17 Nov 2011)
I'll wait it out and see what happens. I'm counting on Microsoft to get it right though. With the new iPhone set to release and already be in the hands of consumers and the relentless releases of Android devices, Microsoft cannot afford to sit on the sidelines and watch the market share continue to be eaten up.
7. BigSupes (Posts: 10; Member since: 05 Sep 2012)
"some carriers may go without the usual bloatware for the initial launch to help shorten the testing period" - You do realise that WP doesn't suffer from bloatware? All OEM apps are 'optional' and can be uninstalled on WP.
Microsoft know better than anyone not to rush out software. WP is a solid and reliable platform and it's obvious Microsoft want to keep it that way.
15. -box- (Posts: 3470; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
They may be uninstallable (yay!) but I know that my Lumia came preinstalled with AT&T Navigator, AT&T Radio, Slacker Radio, MyAT&T Account Manager, AT&T Code Scanner (even though the Bing search app does code reading), ESPN (Nokia's, not AT&T's, I"ll grant), and I think a couple others. Not bad, but I could have downloaded them if I'd wanted them. Wound up uninstalling all of the above and the first stuff I was downloading came from the Nokia Collection. The N-named apps are my most populated section, with Nokia's City Lens, Drive, Maps, Music, Pulse, and Transit
55. BigSupes (Posts: 10; Member since: 05 Sep 2012)
Attempting to down-play the importance of being able to uninstall these apps is weak. Try uninstalling some of the carrier/OEM bloatware on Android without rooting. . . now, that's bloatware.
8. darkvadervip (Posts: 242; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
I rather them get it right than have force closed issues like most Android phones. Don't get me wrong I own a sg3 but hate when it freezes or goes to force close on an app.
45. RobotMan (Posts: 119; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Yeh, we believe you own sg3. The KIRF version. Do you think we are all small kid here ?
9. fanboy1974 (Posts: 817; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)
Take your time Microsoft. A Verizon Galaxy Note 2 is calling my name.
11. PAPINYC (Posts: 1834; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)
Microsoft will outsell the Galaxy Note 2; they will sell 100,000 units (of the 10,000,000 they ship).
22. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)
fans of high quality flimsy plastic are we? doesnt anyone care about quality any more?
26. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)
Nokia is also plastic.
Dude STFU about WP8, I agree it will be good, but it won't beat Android, maybe iOS
57. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)
Have you held a l900 or a l800 or even the n9 in your hand? Now compare that to a sgs3.nokias plastic is a single polycarbonate shell, sammys plastic is a thousand parts loosely screwd together. As for o.s. I love how people defend android and i can appreciate that. But the lack of uniformity, of consistency of fluidity just puts me of. I own a ics tab so i know.
42. RobotMan (Posts: 119; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Who said Nokia have a good quality phone. Old Nokia phone is okay but not their smartphone. A lot of crash because of hardware. I use one but never again.
58. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)
I pressume you are talking about symbian, i would not lean a bike on those. Lumias on the other hand kick a$$ in every aspect, even my low range l710.
59. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2346; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
symbian fp1 and fp2 are stable and ive had no crashes or freezing so far, android wen it first started was buggy know its more poilshed and less prone to freezing etc same can be said for symbian even if its classed as dead.
38. Alistaire (Posts: 132; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
You either have big jeans pocket or carry a purse... who have place to carry such a big device?? What is up with all these big phones...
41. RobotMan (Posts: 119; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Difference people have a difference preference.
12. -box- (Posts: 3470; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
As long as it's a polished product, I"m willing to wait a few extra weeks for it. I'm paying full price for the 920 since I got a contract for my 900, so doesn't matter much to me when it comes out as long as it's a solid reliable release
34. snowgator (Posts: 3015; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
With you. All the talk about worrying about losing momentum or holiday sales is silly. There has been interest and decent publicity for WP 8. Tablets and Windows 8 on the PC will help, especially if they are well received. They CANNOT afford a buggy launch. That will be death. Iron out the problems, ensure a solid launch, and release it when it is ready.
46. aoikemono27 (Posts: 177; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
That's what RIM has been saying about BB10, but their marketshare is crashing into the ground and it will be a no show this year, with delay after delay. The market isn't gonna wait for you, and the holiday shopping season is the biggest by far. It sounds more like incompetence than anything else. They have had two years to get WP8 up and running already. They aren't reinventing the wheel. It looks like WP7 except with smaller tiles and better hardware support.
52. Penny (Posts: 902; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
First, Microsoft has tremendous capacity to speed up if they encounter delays. RIM doesn't have the same resources or agility.
Second, reinventing the wheel is EXACTLY what they are doing. WP8 may look a lot like WP7 on the surface, but the entire kernel upon which the OS is based is different. They're creating WP8 to run on the same underpinnings as Windows 8, and that's also what affords WP8 the better hardware support of which you speak.
18. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Looks like Microsoft realized it has nothing on JB so now in the last minute they try to at least squeeze in as much features they can to reduce damage.
20. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)
lol, you have got to be kidding me.... you droid boys need to realize its not about the amount of features, but about the user experience, and here wp reigns supreme. you can keep your features for which you dont know where the button in most cases is anyway....
47. aoikemono27 (Posts: 177; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
You mean that OS that requires you to randomly hold the screen for a menu to pop up? And has cut off letters that obfuscate things? Intuitive my behind.
53. Penny (Posts: 902; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
...or cut off letters to indicate there is more if you swipe to get over there? Could be considered a little bit of form over function, but I'd say it's fairly intuitive.
Also, user experience isn't purely about the interface. It is about the way the product functions in relation to the way you expect it to function. In that regard, WP7/8 offers a lot in the way of integrations to make sure the features you would expect to find in a certain setting are in fact there. For example, getting social updates in the contact list makes sense, and getting Local, Audio, Visual, and Web search capabilities all from the dedicated Search button makes sense.
19. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1429; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)
Oh s**t, better not buy any new WP8, else you have to wait for updates to fix bugs. Next year, buy your windows phone.
23. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)
No o.s. is bug-free, and wp is best of them all (ok, and ios) andoid on the other hand... ugh.... i need to soak my tablet in raid to get rid of all the bugs....
21. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)
Msoft can take all the time it needs, I have a contract till mid next year...
31. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
I have a contract until end next year.
I want the new LG Optimus G. ;_;
25. Tsepz_GP (Posts: 569; Member since: 12 Apr 2012)
It's a damn shame.
I see the MS apologists are out in force today though :) lots of bad PR around Nokia and WP recently, without any real success in sight.
Seems its going to continue being a 2 horse race until Tizen and BB10 arrive with a true challenge to Android and iOS. iPhone5, iPhone4S, GS3, GNote, GNote2 and the GS2 are going to bury WP end of this year at the rate of hype and sales (for those that are available) they are getting.
29. itiswhatitis (Posts: 419; Member since: 23 Jan 2012)
Whatever men,after I checked the real life performance of 920 camera capability on the verge my money is for Nokia to take!
49. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)
nokia will be the beast of WP...
so samsung should make a very qiuck move if ever elop is fired and nokia will adopt android (but still doubting this will happen coz by that time, maybe WP is on top) they should now make phones with its digital cameras... since sammy has digital camera...
and i hope sony will join the WP party!!! just imagine, PlayStation and xBox at one device!
33. redmd (Posts: 761; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
...the expected onslaught of multiple Android Nexus devices this fall. WP better hurry because some people can't wait.
35. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)
i hope it will be perfect OS!!! hope they could pull it through!! hope that they could outrelease iPhone and the multiple nexuses/nexi!!! so that windows phone will take off!!!
to microsoft, hope you could make it!!!
coz im dying to have a lumia 920!
39. Mobile-X-Pert (Posts: 565; Member since: 20 Dec 2010)
So that means that more features are coming than what was previously announced.
48. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)
maybe or just finishing it up... maybe it is still buggy... and microsoft want WP users to be bug free unlike others... you need to root it to work properly! (not mentioning someone or something!)
50. aoikemono27 (Posts: 177; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
They should've spent all that BS ad money to hire more engineers to hurry the hell up. This is 2012, not 1995. You actually have competitors and they aren't as butt-slow as you. All those years of complacency relying on the same windows platform with a little more eyecandy. They are dominating in the desktop market because of legacy support, but the mobile world is nimble and people trash their phones after two years, so they need to shakeup their old philosophies and bureaucracies.
51. rusticguy (Posts: 2699; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
Poor Nokia ... their flagship would be outdated even before it is launched ... Elop strategy working nice. Nokia needs to be completely bankrupt for M$ to buy for peanuts.
54. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)
i agree with "Elop strategy working nice" but before and after that no!!! nokia windows phone will be soaring high! a lot of people are really looking forward for the lumia 920 even it dont have microSD slot that should be included to a phone but for 32GB, why not.... even HTC's upcoming flagship WP wont have MicroSD slot, but samsung's Ativ S has one..but it wont be a big catch!
nokia will be relevant again!!
and also they are rumored to be making asha in new level... its UI will be base on modern UI wich is really nice! but still no word if its gonna be S40 or it will be meltemi or smarterphone OS..but super excited for what will nokia bring!!
just remove (dot)
but im kinda pissed that nokia didnt announce low end WP last nokia world! HTC's gonna beat them if they will release low end these sept 19th!
but still its good that nokia will have a big update on its current lumia line!! it didnt abandon it! it will now support BT sharing and exclusive Lumia goodness! but still hoping mass storage!!
so please stop hating!