Report: Apple pulls the plug on Samsung as battery provider for the Apple iPad
The obviously strained relationship between the two tech titans is making it harder for Samsung to remain an important supplier to Apple. Despite having been denied by Samsung, recently there was speculation that the Korean firm raised its prices for chips it supplies to Apple by 20%. In addition, there have been various rumors about Apple turning to TSMC for its chips instead of Samsung. Apple also has been rumored to be replacing Samsung for displays.
gearing up for their second patent suit in U.S. District Court, not scheduled to start until March 2014, and there is a hearing set for December 6th that covers motions relating to the first trial which resulted in a $1.05 billion jury verdict in favor of Apple. Recently, the chief of Samsung's mobile division, J.K. Shin, told reporters in Korea that without Samsung's wireless patents, there is no Apple iPhone. And while Apple CEO Tim Cook continues to praise Samsung as being an important partner, there is no love lost between the two firms.
By no longer providing Apple with the "power" needed to run its tablet and laptops, we wonder if this is more than a symbolic gesture on Sammy's part and if it will hasten the end of the strange relationship between the two firms. Doesn't it seem strange to anyone that Apple relies on Samsung to produce some of the very products that Apple accuses Samsung of copying?
source: ChinaBusinessNews via TechCrunch
1. TheLibertine (Posts: 484; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)
It seems strange, but as CEOs have a better view on the commercial situation so there is gonna be a bunchload of good reasons why these two are working together.
In the recent months trough it seems the two giants are serious about competing with each other with all those Apple lawsuits and aggressive Samsung marketing.
Personally, i support neither Apple nor Samsung here. The best position is that Google takes: less focus on marketing, more on technology itself.
15. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1059; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
Yeah but what this 'estranged relationship' has done is that consmers are suffering because of it....Sammy supplies awesome parts to Apple so if Sammy stops will Apple products be as good as they're now?
secondly Apple shares tech plans to produce parts for themselves which often inspire manufacturers to make something of their own by tweaking the original....so without Apple pushing for better tech stuff will Sammy put that much of an effort to make innovative stuff?
The way I see it...this ends good for nobody Apple, Sammy and WE!
19. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5154; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Other than parts where Sammy is the exclusive supplier, Apple has 2 or more suppliers in any iToy. There is no way to know who is supplying the internals before purchase. If you choose to buy an iToy, you are buying the iToy, not the display by X company. X company may supply the display in the iToy you purchase, but that is Apple's call.
Ultimately, the market will drive innovation. Do you think Apple added a Notification function in iOS because it would be nice to have? No, the Notification function was added because the market demanded it.
Markets and competition drive innovation. At least in capitalist economies.
34. lyndon420 (Posts: 1464; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
Agreed. One example is their screens...how many different OEM's made screens that went into the same model phone or pad? 2 or 3 I'm pretty sure.
35. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)
Couldn't agree more Droid_X_Doug...
Apple cannot be in bed with its competitors. If Apple and Samsung are now the biggest markers of smartphones, it's stupid for Apple to be going to their competitor and paying them money to make parts for Apple. It would be like Ford going to GM to make engines. It's the same reason Apple had to get out of bed with Google.
Apple won't switch companies lightly either. They wouldn't go with a new battery maker without being sure they can get the same life out of their products or more. Apple Maps was a huge flop and I doubt they want a repeat. But just like Droid_X_Doug, you don't really know the inner workings of your iDevice. Some folks who post on this site didn't know that LG and Sharp have taken over the screens on the iPad from earlier this year.
54. Topcat488 (Posts: 974; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)
When Sammy stop supplying the parts for what you call the itoy, Then you will know who is NOT supplying those "internals"... The itoy will NOT be that, what it is TODAY!!! Samsung TOLD them to find another battery supplier, not the other way around!!! Samsung supplies the important parts of the itoys "internals", without Sammy it wont be the same itoy. Get out of bed with her Sammy!
51. androiddownsouth (Posts: 598; Member since: 02 May 2012)
Phenom, I must ask, and I'm being serious, not trying to start any flame wars or anything: What tech has Apple produced lately that has pushed the market? They do make a good product for some people, and their marketing is second to none, but honestly, what tech have they truly produced that pushes the boundaries of technology?
The way I see it, Android evolves much faster than iOS. The iPad continues to be tops in tablets, but Android tablets are catching up quickly, and Windows 8 tablets appear to be poised to take some high end marketshare as well.
Google continues to push Android forward quickly, and with things as innovative as Project Glass, Google seems to me to be pushing innovation among OEMs much faster these days than Apple.
Also, Apple designs the shape, look, and functionality of their products, but over 90% of their products are made with other companies' technology. LG and Sharp displays come to mind, Samsung processors and batteries as well.
From my point of view, Apple hasn't seriously dropped anything that changed the game on technology since the iPhone 3G or the iPad. Since then, we've only seen incremental upgrades to those items.
Again I ask that this be read as a legit discussion starter, not an attempt to start a fanboy flame war. I'd personally just like to see all these companies gtfo of the courtrooms and focus on making the awesome stuff they are capable of.
32. richardyarrell2011 (banned) (Posts: 510; Member since: 16 Mar 2011)
I applaud Samsung for this move. Apple has financially benefitted from Samsung for years and it's pretty shameful that apple forgot what side it's bread is bittered on. Differeance is Samsung does it's own thing processor, battery, camera's and on and on. Apple needs other companies to exist in this space. Piss on apple
36. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)
Other way around sir...Samsung has profited from Apple because Apple is Samsung's largest client (or was before Apple started changing providers). This isn't Apple stabbing Samsung in the back. These are two competitors who shouldn't be relying on each other.
40. darkkjedii (Posts: 8897; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Excellent post my man. Richard lacks...well just read his comment
58. richardyarrell2011 (banned) (Posts: 510; Member since: 16 Mar 2011)
Your pretty clueless no doubt...
57. richardyarrell2011 (banned) (Posts: 510; Member since: 16 Mar 2011)
Exactly they shouldn't be relying on eachother. It was apple that needed Samsung in the first place. Every iphone made in the last three years has Samsung processor, Samsung camera optics, and Samsung batteries. None of Samsung products have anything apple in them what so ever never has and never will. Apple and it's socalled iconic iphone really should be a Samsung device.
39. darkkjedii (Posts: 8897; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Wack comment. Samsung is just as dependent on apple, as apple is their biggest client. Learn some knowledge then speak
52. androiddownsouth (Posts: 598; Member since: 02 May 2012)
Apple and Samsung currently share the most dysfunctional symbiotic relationship I've ever seen lol. One hand of each company is shaking a hand of the other, while each has their free hand pointing a loaded gun at each other's head......
As hard as these companies compete with each other, I think the split between the two was inevitable.
55. big.e927 (Posts: 94; Member since: 21 Nov 2012)
My take on all of this, if Apple was truly as innovative as it goes on to be by the jacked up prices on everything it pushes out on the market, they wouldn't be wasting time throwing lawsuits left and right. Apple has displayed arrogance not only in American soil, but in foreign land as well, most noticeable one as of late, the court ruling in the u.k. I have yet to see an Apple product that is made or composed by all Apple parts and technology. The hers of isheep should get their facts straight before pointing a finger, ifnot they'll come off as ignorant people. Also, Samsung is number one in seeks in the states, numbers don't lie unless your head is up your ass and you can't see it :p
2. GeekMovement (Posts: 1481; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)
Yes I personally find it ridiculous how apple accuses Samsung for copying their devices when Samsung is the one providing a lot of the pieces. Personally I'm glad Samsung is providing less for Apple. They should learn to rely on themselves for once and stop accusing all these other companies that are supplying them. Many people look down on Samsung for the plastic, but can't deny that their technology is no doubt high-end.
16. E.N. (Posts: 2217; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
It's really not strange at all. I'm not saying I support all the lawsuits, but I don't think any of them relate to batteries, processors, or displays. Completely unrelated
56. cripton805 (Posts: 897; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
This is why you don't sure your supplier. LMAO.
It's almost like apple knew it needed to take Samsung down before things get out of control. I see fear by apple.
3. lyndon420 (Posts: 1464; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
Good for Sammy. Make deals with the devil and you will regret it eventually.
8. darkkjedii (Posts: 8897; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
That's a weak comment, cuz it offers nothing intelligent. Speak with knowledge, or don't speak.
22. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 5468; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
youre not using the way of the force or your dark side of the force that is.
30. lyndon420 (Posts: 1464; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
You're right...I had to dumb it down so you'd understand it.
41. darkkjedii (Posts: 8897; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Nahhh u just got checked for putting a weak comment in a section where people were being serious, that's all. Don't b mad
43. lyndon420 (Posts: 1464; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
I'm not mad...lol. You actually are starting to amuse me.
4. dan86 (Posts: 298; Member since: 17 Mar 2012)
Here the end. So don't get surprised if you get a cheap chinese iPhone next time in your hand!
6. MistB (Posts: 543; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
Actually, a lot of Chinese OEMs are making decent quality handsets which aren't KIRF's for a change.
27. joey_sfb (Posts: 1862; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
I have a lot of bad experience with cheaply made china battery, good luck to apple.
I think apple wants to stick with Sammy on this one because apple themselve know that battery is crucial and they don't want to screw with that.
5. rusticguy (Posts: 2810; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
Apple should setup a battery manufacturing plant in China :)
7. Aeires (unregistered)
Be smarter to just buy an established company.
10. rusticguy (Posts: 2810; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
They tried something with Qualcom (or someone else) and i guess were told to buzz off :)
17. Aeires (unregistered)
Chip companies are more rare than battery companies so that wouldn't surprise me.
13. darkkjedii (Posts: 8897; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
I don't know if you're serious, but actually that's not a bad idea.
31. jstchilln (Posts: 10; Member since: 13 Apr 2008)
I hope they do try to make thier own APPLE battery. Then I hope they get sued at every turn for patent infringement.
37. lyndon420 (Posts: 1464; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
Hopefully all the battery companies come up with a very well worded patent that covers everything...including the shapes of them.
45. rsxl5 (Posts: 64; Member since: 05 Sep 2012)
'including the shapes of them' :)
PERFECT ONE :)
9. darkkjedii (Posts: 8897; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Apple should sever ties, if this partnership is no longer amicable. All this bad blood between them, which personally I think could be worked out is now at a boiling point. This is gonna have a negative effect on the tech world, not just apple, and sammys users. I wish all this could b resolved in a friendly way, but sadly as huge fan of both of these companies I don't think it can
12. rusticguy (Posts: 2810; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
Apple has no choice when manufacturer says sorry no more of batteries from us ... that's what happened in this case ... though title of article makes it look as if Apple severed the ties.
14. darkkjedii (Posts: 8897; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Yeah that's true. I hate this stuff though man, cuz as a consumer we r the ones affected.
44. lyndon420 (Posts: 1464; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
Agreed. Imagine all that money that was wasted on litigation going into actual R & D.
48. darkkjedii (Posts: 8897; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Yeah bro this sucks to me. I'm a fan of tech period and jus wish all this money was out into products, instead of court cases
28. joey_sfb (Posts: 1862; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
apple just want more money ending ties with Sammy is not to their advantage otherwise they would not be in a business relationship in the first place. Apple fan has zero logic and are so emotional about their apple toys.
Open your eyes, apple fans. You have been screwed by apple for so many years!!!
49. elandrumiii (Posts: 109; Member since: 20 Mar 2010)
Are you reading your stuff or just blowing it out. Sammy wanted more money sammy cut them off so what are you saying here. Yeah they have alot of B.S. between them and no one wants to settle so when this blows up every one will feel it. Apple has the loot to build their own plants here or China they just dont want to. Sammy can go it alone also. They are each other biggest asset now its time to see where all this goes.
11. drnggaj33 (Posts: 127; Member since: 29 Feb 2012)
Apple messed up .....u dont get at the company whos helping u .....apple big azz ego gonna get them cought up
18. gallitoking (Posts: 4630; Member since: 17 May 2011)
I am glad by this move.. by the way Apple and Samsung is handling this.. I don't see ending any other way. they will both recover from this and will make awesome devices... and no more courts...
53. androiddownsouth (Posts: 598; Member since: 02 May 2012)
It's going to be a long time before all this court bs is done, and a ton of money wasted by both that could go to R&D to make some seriously good tech. Such a shame it has to happen this way.
23. atsamman (Posts: 72; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
I don't want to make look like a conspericy
but I think apple suied Samsung and they already had a replacement for it
otherwise apple must be reeeeeealy stupid to sue the company that's providing almost all the important parts display battery processor
maybe not maybe apple is just greedy
24. ElektronicGeek91 (Posts: 105; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
So basically its just a civil war between the two. The iPhone isn't anything but a Samsung phone due to the fact Samsung makes all their hardware. lol
29. joey_sfb (Posts: 1862; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
If apple did not sue Samsung, no body would know that their beloved iPhone is actually a samsung phone with a half eaten apple logo.
38. ElektronicGeek91 (Posts: 105; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
Exactly I think Apple only sued Samsung because they were the head honcho in that situation.
26. jroc74 (Posts: 3625; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Samsung made batteries for iDevices too? What didnt they have a hand in?
33. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)
SAMSUNG did the right thing, there is no sense to do business with the company that cut your throat for $1.05 billion lawsuits and banned your products from selling. Samsung must stop supplying every components and parts now, if Apple is not dropping all lawsuits and clear $1.05 billion that Apple won in U.S. lawsuits.
46. abish1234 (Posts: 51; Member since: 22 Oct 2011)
if it was samsung..then why is d title of the article apple pulled d plug???
47. RapidCat (Posts: 350; Member since: 12 Jun 2012)
This is 1st time i hear samsung pull the plug.
50. elandrumiii (Posts: 109; Member since: 20 Mar 2010)
Sammy made the apple processors based on the design that apple provided them. Apple stated on many interviews here that there is no facility in the U.S. that can make them not even Texas Instruments. So no it is not a sammy design or product they are a plant making apple parts. It does it say samsung on the apple processors does it. Sammy makes displays for alot of companies and batteries so apple is not different. People talk like apple went down the aisle at the sammy store and put a phone together.