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HTC "dismayed" that Apple is suing it for patent infringment, HTC Flyer and HTC EVO 4G in the mix

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HTC's last year and CES 2011 handsets, plus the HTC Flyer are listed by Apple as infringing on five of its key patents, new info about the ITC complaint it filed recently reveals.

HTC's official reaction is also in, and Grace Lei, its general counsel, says: “HTC is dismayed that Apple has resorted to competition in the courts rather than the market place. HTC continues to vehemently deny all of Apple’s past and present claims against it and will continue to protect and defend its own intellectual property as it has already done this year.

We have two issues here - first, why is everyone using the phrase "vehemently deny" in these cases, and, second, why are we forced to become knowledgeable about patent law? We kid, but if the next step is HTC filing a counter-suit with the ITC, we could already start from the bottom in an IP law firm.

The phones Apple insists are infringing on five of its patents are all of HTC's 2010 and CES 2011 crop, from the HTC EVO 4G to the HTC Thunderbolt, plus the HTC Flyer tablet. The patents cited by Apple to be dragged through the mud by HTC are “application programming interfaces for scrolling operations”, “list scrolling and document translation, scaling, and rotation on a touch-screen display”, “programmable tactile touch screen displays and man-machine interfaces for improved vehicle instrumentation and telematics”, “double-sided touch-sensitive panel with shield and drive combined layer”, and “portable computers”. Some of these patents overlap with the complaint against Samsung Apple filed last week.

We don't want to stir controversy here, but the HTC devices listed are entirely of the Android variety, we have a hard time believing that the company's Windows Phone 7 handsets are not infringing on the exact same patents, as specified above, yet nary a say on those in the complaint. Not to mention HTC's had some of these features on its phones since the dawn of WinMo, and certainly before 2007. Fun stuff, and Apple's chief patent man rumored to be leaving the company makes it even funnier.

source: FOSSPatents & SlashGear

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posted on 12 Jul 2011, 04:30 6

1. Dark4o90 (Posts: 205; Member since: 20 Feb 2011)


Apple again hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahaha (rofl) fools "portable computers" hahahahahahahahahahahah ooooooooooooooooooooooooo just killing me sooo they sue every company

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 08:56 5

28. daniel_bargs (Posts: 323; Member since: 27 Nov 2010)


me too! hahaha.... but keep in mind... they only sue phones with Android in it. WP7 phones are not included which means.... they dont take WP7 phones as threatening as Android. hahah Apple. rot now!

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 09:23 6

37. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


if u cant beat them.. sue them into submission.. the apple way.

Thats why androids shares have gone to over 50% of the smartphone market place and apples have shrunk to what.. sub 20s in the last report?

their going backwards and instead of innovate, they are blatantly ripping off android with iOS5 and then keeping everyone so busy with lawsuits they hope they wont notice.

Google just needs to sue the crap out of apple and put them in their place.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 13:10 1

45. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@remix. What did you say? "if you can't beat them"? Hahahahahaha. Evo and aThunderbolt sales combined do not exceed ip4 sales alone, and you say that Apple can't beat them? You are funny. Android shares have gone over 50% alright, but consisting of how many devices and manufacturers? The Apple iphone is still the bestselling smartphone model. If Apple is ripping off android with iOS5, then let them sue Apple. But they, won't. Because google knows that they're the ones copying and stole ideas from Apple when they were still a member of Apple's board.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 13:35 2

48. Tom (unregistered)


Please dont compare phones that have been out for a year (Evo) and 4 months (Thunderbolt) to Iphones that have been out for 4 years. C'mon man stop being such an Apple fanboy and come to reality. Apple has done a great job for the past few years but face it, other phones have caught up to the popularity. Other phone have better specs and exceed the capabilities of IPhones. If Apple doesnt start to pick up their game, you will continue to see their market share drop. You need to also relaize that Apple is shaking in their boots, thus they are suing competitors for rediculous reasons. Jump off the bandwagon and please look at these issues from a different point of view......not Steve Jobs.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 05:18 15

2. OsirisRa (Posts: 46; Member since: 17 Dec 2010)


I'm sure Apple is still upset with the ruling they lost against Nokia. Now that they have to pay Nokia royalties for every phone they sell for steaiing Nokias technology. Lol, right now I'm loving my HTC Sensation even more, lol.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 05:59 3

3. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)


Yeah, because we all know that's the only way Nokia will make money since they sure as hell can't make any off their horrible devices and severely outdated software.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 07:25 8

11. remyrz (Posts: 184; Member since: 28 Oct 2010)


well, apple stealed from that ''severely autdated software'' for some reason :)

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 09:06 1

32. hepresearch (unregistered)


haha... Yeah, Symbian S60 3rd Edition was AWESOME! Well, was... so was Symbian Series 80 2nd Edition, in fact that might be my personal favorite. If I was Apple, I would have copied it, too, but I think most of Apple's problem had to do with radio access tech and hardware. If I am remembering correctly...

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 07:22 1

10. hepresearch (unregistered)


Apple can't possibly care too much about losing to Nokia... that settlement was small potatoes compared to other things that are going on. When Nokia goes under, Apple could easily buy their remaining patent portfolio if they want to. Then you would be dealing with Apple having patents from both Nortel and Nokia, in addition to the generally ambiguous ones they got for themselves, like "touch screens", "gestures", and "portable computers"... lol

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 08:58 1

29. iSheepHunter (Posts: 55; Member since: 07 Jul 2011)


Lol, if Nokia goes under there would be a HUGE war between the companies.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 09:08

33. hepresearch (unregistered)


That's why I think they are setting it up to happen that way, at least that's what it looks like from where I'm lookin'...

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 06:01 4

4. hepresearch (unregistered)


I dislike it as much as most everybody else, but lets call a spade a spade here... in order to compete with Apple's invincible business model, every other OEM is having to follow in their footsteps. Consumers everywhere are voting in droves with their dollars to show their typical product preference for anything that has a capacitive touch screen (with multitouch and gestures support), 3.5" or larger display, web and GPS connected, and a super slim frame and body. There are certainly variations on this, but typically we find that the best sellers are in this overall category of products, and the chief product among them, since 2007, has been the iPhone. I do not like the iPhone a whole lot, and honestly the attitude of some individuals who own them really turns me off; however, when I have to admit that I can scramble the screen on every sub-1.2 GHz/non-dual-core Android phone I've ever played with, but can't do the same to an iPhone 3Gs from 2 years ago or an overpriced 800 MHz single-core iPhone 4, I have to say that Apple has got something very very right... kind of like my old Nokia E75 (369 MHz single-core) versus my friend's Motorola DROID (550 MHz single-core) was a complete victory for my E75 in nearly every performance comparison test we tried over a half a year. This is why, if I ever buy an Android phone, it will not have a large high-resolution screen, nor will it lack a physical keyboard, nor will it have 4G support of any kind. I'll stick with VGA-HVGA, 800 MHz or less, physical QWERTY, 3G only, cheap Androids... but not an LG, Pantech, or Casio model, and most certainly not a Huawei model. Or maybe I'll get an HP Veer. Otherwise, it'll be a feature phone for me.

So, naturally, Apple is suing anyone who tries to make something that has the slightest resemblance to an iPhone. They are at least trying to protect their business model from copy-catting... even if their product technology is not being copied directly. If it keeps going at the current rate, then I will not be surprised if someday the iPhone will be the only phone available (other than some cheap Huawei or ZTE lookalike model that hangs onto marginal market-share for dear life).

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 06:41 4

6. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3755; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


There were touch screen phones before Apple. Look it up! There were tablets before Apple. Look it up. If Apple can copy those ideas, WHY CAN'T OTHER PEOPLE DO THE SAME THING? Like I always say, if it's good for Apple then why isn't it good for everyone else? In one single word to describe Apple, “HYPOCRITES”. Just face it Apple is very fearful of both HTC & Samsung. That is the ONLY reason why they resort to banning them. They know HTC & Samsung are 2 juggernauts who are invading their turf. Instead of making a better product Apple is just wasting time in court. Apple is getting beat at its own game, & they don’t like that!

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 06:59 1

8. hepresearch (unregistered)


Of course there were touch screen phones and tablets before Apple... like the HTC TyTN, Wing, Mogul, etc., Sony Ericsson P810, Motorola Ming, LG Prada, and so on... but Apple did make the touchscreen much much more popular somehow. I'm not saying that Apple didn't copy anything, either... they just clean got away with it is all. IF Samsung or HTC actually copied anything from Apple, the fact is that they are guaranteed to NOT get away with it because some quazi-paranoid someone is now bothering to watch extremely closely. Apple wouldn't litigate out of stupidity... there is something going on that justifies their actions logically, whether they are right or wrong. They have something to gain from this. Something not so obvious, I think.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 07:19 5

9. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3755; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Ok what about FEAR then. Can that be a reason why Apple is doing this. Can they see that they can't compete with HTC & Samsung. Can they internally amongst themselves see this. If Apple truly had a better product they wouldn't care what HTC & Samsung do. You are right something is making Apple do this. We as bloggers are speculating. HTC & Samsung make Android phones & Windows phones. Apple by itself can't compete with them. Apple STILL has yet to release the iPhone 4S or 5. BOTH HTC & Samsung are already hard at work with the successors to the HTC Sensation, HTC Evo 3D, & the Samsung Galaxy S II. Maybe Apple sees this & that is why they are resorting to banning them both. Apple is so behind the 8 ball on this. Apple has some balls, they can copy, for instance the new notification on iOS 5 ala Android, cloud services that already have been out, but no one else can do the same. Please every phone does pinch to zoom, so why not target the industry. (that was just an example) Apple is targeting the 2 MOST direct competitors HTC & Samsung. It looks very fishy & it only makes sense because both HTC & Samsung are dropping high quality phones like water from a water fall.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 07:34 3

13. hepresearch (unregistered)


Fear? Apple has too little to fear right now. I wish Apple would actually be afraid of something or someone, but I doubt that they are. If Apple was afraid of Samsung or HTC, they could just buy them both, even at inflated share prices, with existing cash-on-hand... threat eliminated!

Apple is in the process of "eating the elephant"... just one bite at a time. They are doing it slowly, and just with one or two of their competitors at a time. Nokia sued Apple first! When Apple sued Nokia, the largest phone manufacturer in the world at the time, back, Nokia ended up imploding within a year. The "threat" eliminated itself, so Apple stopped wasting time on the Nokia litigation, and allowed Nokia to win a tiny little settlement and some royalties. Then Apple turned their sights onto the up-and-coming number 2, Samsung. Apparently the litigation is sufficiently easy (possibly thanks to biased ITC members in the US division) that they have decided that they can take on HTC at the same time.

Notice that while competitors like Samsung, HTC, Motorola, LG, etc., are cutting prices on their products (and Nokia is just SLASHING prices left and right...), Apple has never budged on their pricing structure. Apple is clearly not afraid, which I find to be a bad sign in my opinion.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 07:40 4

14. NeXoS (Posts: 278; Member since: 03 May 2011)


FEAR = 15% maeket share and DROPPING!

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 07:46 2

15. iSheepHunter (Posts: 55; Member since: 07 Jul 2011)


"If Apple was afraid of Samsung or HTC, they could just buy them both, even at inflated share prices, with existing cash-on-hand... threat eliminated!"

Apple could never buy Samsung and HTC. They do not make THAT much money and I doubt the FCC would let that happen AND Samsung makes more money than Apple.

Minus ALL the court fees Apple is paying AND minus all the money they're losing from getting sued and minus the royalties they already pay.

I don't even think these fees are taken into account when people talk about how much money Apple makes.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 08:12 4

20. hepresearch (unregistered)


"Apple could never buy Samsung and HTC. They do not make THAT much money..."

Apple is sitting on $70 billion in cash-on-hand alone. Samsung and HTC, combined, have a cumulative market cap considerably less than that. Even if stock holders of Samsung and HTC demanded their stock be sold for 50% over market value, Apple could still buy them out. And that would be without augmenting Apple's own stock at all. Don't like what I've said? Check the stock market, and find out for yourself.

"... and I doubt the FCC would let that happen..."

Since when did the FCC have jurisdiction over international corporations based in South Korea and Taiwan?

"... AND Samsung makes more money than Apple."

Simply impossible. Apple sells only 4% of the mobile devices in the world, and makes nearly 50% of all profits in the entire industry. Look up the latest surveys and see for yourself.

"Minus ALL the court fees Apple is paying AND minus all the money they're losing from getting sued..."

Small potatoes, my friend... Nokia won, um, way under a billion dollars from Apple. Hardly a dent in their deep pockets... and the other settlements were even tinier.

"... and minus the royalties they already pay."

That gets included in operating costs. It does not come out of the cash-on-hand piggy bank.

"I don't even think these fees are taken into account when people talk about how much money Apple makes."

If Apple needed to make their profits bigger, they would change their pricing one way or another... either by lowering them and selling higher volumes of handsets, or by raising them and relying on loyal and/or existing customers to continue to buy steadily. Once again, these fees do not come out of Apple's cash-on-hand, and they are definitely still making a huge profit. The $70 billion isn't going anywhere yet.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 08:47 1

25. iSheepHunter (Posts: 55; Member since: 07 Jul 2011)


Lie, Samsung makes waaaay more than that. Apple makes more than HTC AND Samsung... Now you're just being crazy.

And I think when operating costs go empty they resort to cash on hand, and vice versa.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 11:26

43. anirudhshirsat97 (Posts: 379; Member since: 24 May 2011)


you do know that samsung is MUCH bigger than apple right? not talking about just their mobile division..

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 13:32 1

47. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Yes, Samsung is bigger than Apple in terms of product line, but not on profit. For every product line, there are costs involved. You know that right? 90% of Apple's product lines are very profitable. Just recently there were news that Samsung is struggling as a company. Apple is not. Also, Samsung has billions of debts. Apple has ZERO debt :)

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 08:12 3

19. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3755; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Nokia is not eliminated. They reason Apple didn't win against Nokia is not because they stopped as you say, it's because Nokia's patent portfolio is just to beastly & Apple could never win against that. That is why Apple gives royalties to Nokia. Now that patent portfolio is with Windows if you haven't noticed. Windows makes so much money from Android sales that they can double their investment into Windows phone 7. Apple does have some cash in hand, but Samsung it too big for Apple to buy, & HTC is getting huge also. No one would ever allow Apple to buy those companies because then Apple would be almost a monopoly. They would break them up like they did all the Bell companies from before. I don't see Samsung, HTC, Motorola, cutting prices. I do see LG & that is the only thing you are right about. Apple knows people will buy at that price because that is all Apple has to offer. When HTC, Samsung, & other companies make so many phones for so many carries of course some prices get slashed but only on the older model, NEVER on the newer model. Since the iPhone 4 came out Samsung released the Samsung Galaxy S & the Samsung Galaxy S II. It’s been over a year & STILL no iPhone 4S or 5. HTC & Samsung are hard at work with new Android & Windows phones. Don’t sleep on Windows, they are making great products too. Apple is so big & fearless they why ban, why not beat them with a better product?

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 13:56 2

49. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


How many times have I already posted how much Apple and Samsung are worth? Do you want me to post the most recent figures again? Apple is worth way more than Samsung. Apple is the largest tech company on planet earth. Microsoft is second.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 15:54 1

61. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3755; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


530gemini Samsung sells & makes everything.
Here is a short list of their products:
1) Shipbuilder
2) Financial
3) Chemical
4) Retail
5) Entertainment
6) Flash memory
7) Aviation
8) Optical storage
9) Mobile phones
10) Smartphones
11) Hard disk drives
I think you are only talking about their mobile division. Samsung is a GIGANTIC Company out of Seoul, South Korea! As per Wikipedia! Last date modified 07-12-11.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 07:55 1

17. hepresearch (unregistered)


-2? Really? How cute!

These "fanboy wars" are hilarious. The iFans seem to think, "If it looks like an iPhone, smells like an iPhone, or works like an iPhone even remotely... it must be an iPhone!" Therefore, they think that everyone is copying Apple's so-called "original" ideas. The Fandroids, on the other hand, seriously seem to hate the iPhone and Apple, think that Steve Jobs is the Emporer and that Apple is the Empire (which might not be too far from reality in some ways, but still... rediculous), and also seem to think that Android is so superior, customizable, and awesome. It reminds me of politics... Democrats and Republicans... both sides think that they are right and the other is wrong, and yet nobody seems to consider the idea that perhaps they are just two different heads on the same freakin' beast. And now that Apple is clearly not bothering to include WP7 handsets in the suit, and some Android-favoring OEM's are also trying out WP7 themselves, it makes me wonder if the Apple/Google monster is growing a third "Microsoft" head. Symbian and Meego have been blown out of the water... Blackberry/QNX is next. WebOS? Who knows... I try not to be a conspiracy theorist, but something sure looks funny from where I'm sitting!

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 08:02 2

18. iSheepHunter (Posts: 55; Member since: 07 Jul 2011)


I don't even think your comment got rated down because of fans.

It probrably got rated down becuse you said Apple Could buy HTC and Samsung, which is a HUGE lie that gets people annoyed. When people say that Apple could jsut buy other companies it makes them souind like a huge iSheep and idiot.

I don't think you meant to come off that way thoughhhh

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 08:28 2

23. hepresearch (unregistered)


Have you looked at the market caps and cash-on-hand reports? I don't rely on other bloggers here for trading alerts, statistics, or financial advice. Likewise, I do not expect you to believe anything I say on here just because I said it. I like reading opinions, whether I agree with them or not, and sometimes have very vehement opinions of my own, and as far as I am concerned, I am okay with that. When I am looking for more reliable stuff, I go to original sources as much as possible (granted, sometimes you never know when they might be spinning something for their own gain, but they are generally more reliable than any of us are).

I did not mean to come across as a "huge iSheep" or whatnot... I apologize if I did, though. I am seriously NOT an iFan by any means, but I'm not a Fandroid either. If I had to pick one, though, I would probably take a cheap Android handset first.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 08:52 1

26. iSheepHunter (Posts: 55; Member since: 07 Jul 2011)


Lol, okay, just making sure.

Everything I've read about Samsung quarterly's says they make WAYYY more than Apple. I don't get my facts from bloggers, I look into them and research them, and my research showed that Apple could never buy Samsung. Vice versa? Maybe.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 08:59

30. hepresearch (unregistered)


Now you have me curious... your source?

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 09:12

35. iSheepHunter (Posts: 55; Member since: 07 Jul 2011)


Minus Samsung making more products than Apple, minus Samsung making high end to low end phones, minus samsung being in the game a lot longer, minus Samsung selling in more countries than Apple,

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/05/us-samsung-idUSTRE7640OU20110705

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0707/samsung-business.html

and others

Pocket money? I have no idea..

Samsung does need to pick itself up though. In my opinion they should lay off the tablets and focus more on the phones and tvs.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 10:16

38. hepresearch (unregistered)


The problem is that the sources listed take Samsung's entire enterprise into account, according to the articles themselves. Rather than trying to say that Samsung makes more money than Apple because they make more products and we simply aren't seeing them accounted for in the article, I would rather compare the totals against each other... I have seen the reports and surveys showing that Samsung DOES sell more phones and such than Apple, by far, but it does not mean they have as large a profit from it.

Here are a couple of my sources as of late:

... the cash-on-hand

http://gigaom.com/apple/just-how-big-is-apples-cash-pile/

... the earnings and expenses trends

http://www.nasdaq.com/asp/ExtendFund.asp?symbol=AAPL&selected=AAPL

The current market cap, as of 10:54am EDT, for AAPL:NASDAQ is $324.84 billion.

From these reports, estimated value by my calculation of combined market cap and cash-on-hand for Apple = about $390 billion.

Samsung, on the other hand, had an estimated $136 billion in total assets plus projected earnings in 2010, not accounting for outstanding liabilities. This is according to the exchange rate for South Korean "won" (KRW) to USD posted on Google at 11:08am this morning, and the 2010 Annual Report for Samsung Electronics, Ltd., which you can find in pdf format here;

http://www.samsung.com/us/aboutsamsung/ir/financialinformation/annualreport/downloads/2010/SECAR2010_Eng_Final.pdf

Last I checked, Samsung is still a private firm, and not a public corporation, so it does not trade stocks publicly. I will have to look for additional info on the division for just mobile phones of both companies, but as it stands, if Apple and Samsung are to be compared at full tilt, Apple is nearly three times as valuable currently, and makes well over double the net profits.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 10:30 1

40. box (unregistered)


Keep in mind that Samsung makes more than just phones... so yeah, they have more money and are bigger than apple, which only has a select few products sold at insanely high profit margins, but to the same customers, thus their declining market share: the hardcore apple people will keep buying apple, but the majority will buy either a) what they want to buy or b) whatever everyone else is buying, aka, the "hot" items, which, for now and probably the next 6-8 months, won't be an iphone, even with a new model coming out.
Personally I think apple IS scared of all the competition: they're losing market share, they have a stale product portfolio, what "innovation" they had is more or less gone and there's none coming (look at iOS 5, for example, or the fact that their computer hardware is still playing catch-up to the general market), and they're back where they were with the Macintosh problem: small core of users/customers, large majority who wind up seeking other options.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 08:21 2

22. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3755; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Really do you really care about a stupid little red thumb down? Do you post for the thumbs or do you post for good quality information? Maybe you got thumb down because you make no sense. How can Apple seriously buy BOTH HTC & Samsung? Maybe you got thumbs down because that comment was so foolish & not well thought out. You are the only person who cares, just state quality information & people will see that!

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 08:41 2

24. hepresearch (unregistered)


I don't care at all, it just gives me something to talk sarcastically about. I love love love sarcasm, it is soooo much fun. Beyond that, I do not generally come to discussion forums for the purpose of getting good information. I come here to either see opinions or have a good time talking to people who don't have to take themselves so seriously... I do not expect you or anyone else here to believe anything I say here as if it is set-in-stone fact.

If folks here hate my comments so much, all that needs to happen is that I get enough thumbs down to make my comments dissappear from the discussion, or someone could report me for... well... whatever. It does not matter to me. As long as PA does not remove my membership or block my IP address, I'll be here to read, chat, and comment on news and opinion alike.

Now lets get back to a real discussion and have fun!

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 08:55 1

27. iSheepHunter (Posts: 55; Member since: 07 Jul 2011)


I don't think they will win this or the Sasmung Case.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 09:01

31. hepresearch (unregistered)


I hope they don't, too. I just think they are getting preferential treatment in alot of ways, though, and it makes me wonder. If Apple loses, I will be pleasantly surprised.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 09:14

36. iSheepHunter (Posts: 55; Member since: 07 Jul 2011)


I don't see anyone getting banned either.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 14:47 1

56. corps1089 (Posts: 492; Member since: 20 Jan 2010)


To add a new elements that was not mentioned before in this thread, I think the court cases are more about delay tactics and marketing rather than about actual infringement on patents.

The best thing the iphone had going for it when it was released was it's timing. It was perfectly timed into the smartphone world and brilliantly or conveniently fell on the market at the time of a vacuum of stale UIs and new demand. It was a logical progression of teh ipod and the iphone filled the void precisely because it was not only the best(?)/newest thing available but almost the only new thing available. Give Jobs his due in recognizing the opportunity and capitalizing on the momentum the ipod generated. If Android were 18 months earlier, the smartphone world would have a very different makeup than right now. Just saying thaat to stress the importance of timing in this industry and the suits and requests for injunctions would be delay tactics to try to create similarly favorable market conditions for Apple today. The first suit and injunction request from Apple against HTC came just before HTC and Motorolla's handsets for Android started to explode the Android population. Motorolla had marketing campaigns strictly to market thier products, but HTC started running adds just to get market recognition and possibly to counter the push against it from Apple...

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 06:27 4

5. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)


lmao now apple's just looking like a BIG BABY!!! i mean c'mon! get creative and start making better phones instead of sueing every phone that you compete with

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 06:48 2

7. AppleNeverWinsThese (unregistered)


"We don't want to stir controversy here, but the HTC devices listed are entirely of the Android variety, we have a hard time believing that the company's Windows Phone 7 handsets are not infringing on the exact same patents, as specified above, yet nary a say on those in the complaint. Not to mention HTC's had some of these features on its phones since the dawn of WinMo, and certainly before 2007."

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 07:26 5

12. iSheepHunter (Posts: 55; Member since: 07 Jul 2011)


Nokia Case
-Lost respect from SO many people, and money
Amazon Case
-Lost respect, lost money for court
iCloud Case
Probrably gonna lose
Samsung Case
-pending
HTC Case
-pending
Personal Audio
-Apple lost, and paid 8 million too Personal Audio
iBooks trademark case
-Gonna lose

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 07:48

16. iSheepHunter (Posts: 55; Member since: 07 Jul 2011)


I doubt these fees are taken into account when people talk about how much money Apple makes.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 18:44

63. stealthd (Posts: 915; Member since: 12 Jun 2011)


Wtf are you talking about? You do realize the public in general is completely oblivious to all this business and it doesn't affect Apple's reputation at all right?

And how is Apple "probably gonna lose" the iCloud case? I'm assuming you're referring to iCloud Communications, the company that has nothing to do with cloud computing and doesn't have a trademark for iCloud (which Apple does).

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 19:30

64. iSheepHunter (Posts: 55; Member since: 07 Jul 2011)


You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2011/06/13/20110613phoenix-based-company-sues-apple-over-icloud-service.html

"Filed Thursday, the lawsuit charges Apple with trademark infringement under Arizona law, unfair competition and injury to its business. It asks the federal court to block Cupertino, Calif.-based Apple from using "iCloud," which the Phoenix company says it's used as part of its "Cloud Marks" trademark since forming in 2005.

According to iCloud Communications' website, the company offers VoIP solutions for business and residential customers. But in its complaint filed in the U.S. District Court of Arizona, the company said it also offers cloud computing services"

They've been sing the tradmark since 2005, and YES THEY DO offer cloud computing services.

Really? All of these lawsuits aren't effecting people's view of Apple? You're crazy. Obviously not all, but an amount to worry about if you're a business.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 08:13 4

21. andro (unregistered)


Of course Apple can sue HTC for the htc flyer,the flyer after all uses scribe technology in the tablet and seeing as Apples hasn't used it in its products yet and is yet to claim they invented they are angry which means they can sue htc for 'copying them' because only apple could 'invent' something like that.

Seriosly Apple is becoming the laughing stock of the year at this stage,their pathetic antics are proving how controlling they are and how funny it is to see their islaves gulping down their pr and products like its goo from god

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 14:32

55. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Apple a laughing stock? And they make billions? How much do you make every month again? Lol

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 09:11 1

34. SWB1983 (unregistered)


Instead of competing, Apple chooses to sue everyone more successful that than. So petty, not everyone wants or likes iPhones and would rather have superior products. I hope they lose and get over themselves. Step up your game, or get out of it. I will continue to recommend Android to everyone and after seeing my HTC device, almost all have switched already. And how many companies should sue Apple over iOS5, as it is a rip of Android, Blackberry and Windows phones on every level. Boycott Apple people!!!!

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 10:25 1

39. hepresearch (unregistered)


Goodness, why should anyone boycott Apple? I am not going to tell everyone to stop buying Apple products just because I happen to think that Samsung products or HTC products are better... it's sort of relative, and based on personal needs and wants. I agree that some hardware and software could be classified as superior or inferior, but I'm not going to go with something that I cannot do what I want to do with it. If you have a Bowie knife and a Swiss Army knife, which one is better? Just because one is a lot bigger, or easier to use, or more convenient than the other does not mean it is superior... it all depends on what you need to get done.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 11:05

41. gallitoking (Posts: 4680; Member since: 17 May 2011)


the way i see it. if Apples sues big companies.. they are taking on their competition, becuase there afraid, but if it takes on a little company (getJar) for example. they label them as bullies.. for taking on little companies.. I thinks is just Apple hating period... and is cool. this is a forum full of lawyers... tech people, and even politicians.... at least in the forum they are....

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 11:10 1

42. JoeDirt (unregistered)


I like Apple and their products, but I hate the way they act as a business. Everytime there is any competition, they sue the competition. I mean, grow up Apple!

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 11:44 1

44. Sniggly (Posts: 6697; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Aww, poor HTC. Apple, how could you? I can see where you might whine about Samsung's icons, but HTC's phones are VERY different from yours, and they've been putting out smartphones before you ever did.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 14:30

54. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Why poor htc? And why shouldn't Apple sue if they think that some of their IP's have been infringed? Get used to it. There will definitely be more lawsuits coming up with Apple being awarded patents for touch gestures on a capacitive screen and the Nortel patents that they also won by consortium.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 14:56 2

58. Deck (unregistered)


And now Apple's top patent lawyer quits...I wonder why? Could the lawyers themselves be done with Apple and the non-stop patent lawsuits? It really is getting out of hand but please don't pretend that Apple has not infringed on others IP's because they have! Just look at when WebOS first launched and Apple tried to sue them...all it became was a patent piss fest of you infringed on my patent...well you infringed on my patent. The entire phonebook app and dialer on the iphone were taken from Palm. In the end they both dropped it because every company in the world could be taken to court or some kind of patent infringement.

I also wonder why Apple singling out Android phones from HTC and Samsung but not any Windows phones? Also why do they not go after and block all of the knock-off ipads and ipod that enter the country? They are the ones that are truly and blatantly copying Apple but I can get on ebay right now and order one if I wanted.

They are only going after the #1 and #2 Android manufactures? I guess that is the only way they can see getting market share back? Why not just go after the source (Google) instead of the manufactures? Kinda seems like a bitch move to me but I'd expect nothing less from the black turtle neck.

http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/12/apples-top-patent-lawyer-quits-as-legal-battles-heat-up/

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 16:01

62. Uzzelien (Posts: 131; Member since: 22 Feb 2011)


God you're stupid appfanboy. It comes down to them sueing over android not really over the real phone. The thing is they know if they sued google directly over it they would just be laughed at. Palm should sue apple because I'm sure apple has used some of their IP in the iPhone.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 13:10

46. Don't Know (unregistered)


Samsung has Mobile, Motor, Construction, Electronics, Cosmetics, Retail. and many which I cannot recall.

If Samsung gets buy over, the whole of South Korea may be own by Apple. From business to politics.

Money is one thing, but power is another. Because money cannot bring power as much as power can bring money.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 14:07

50. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Apple has a legal department receiving fat checks every month. They're just doing their work, or else they're worthless and shouldn't stay on Apple's payroll. That's what Apple's legal department do all day. They're job is to be on the lookout for possible IP infringements. That's their job as lawyers employed FULL TIME by Apple. They have to keep busy as full time employees.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 15:46

60. Deck (unregistered)


When was the last time they even won a lawsuit and why is the top lawyer quiting now? Guess even those fat paychecks can't even keep 'em. The guys is smart though...doesnt want to lose another case and hurt his rep anymore than working for Apple has already done.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 14:08

51. Tmachaveli (Posts: 425; Member since: 01 Apr 2011)


apple u guys need to get a life your turning in to a bunch of dam babies ..try making a better phone for once dam this getting out of hand grow up u guys didn't invent the smartphone u can just go around throwing lawsuits at everybody because u think you have the "right too"...growp up fast

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