Apple says it has created or supported 514k jobs in the US
1. Kaze105 (Posts: 19; Member since: 15 Feb 2012)
Once it helps me get a damn job (engineer major), I will say apple should be proud.
2. gallitoking (Posts: 4630; Member since: 17 May 2011)
Remix is already googling the comeback
3. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2614; Member since: 26 May 2011)
What comeback is necessary? Adding in "supported" jobs is already a little suspect, and even with that Apple is only claiming 514,000 jobs which is a pretty small amount for a company worth $500 billion dollars and based in a country of 300 million.
10. conscious (banned) (Posts: 15; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)
This article full of biased overtones fits your fanboyish comment. How many jobs have you created Michael?
38. andro. (Posts: 1927; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Hes been lingering around here again like a bad smell PA cant get rid of
26. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2614; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Being skeptical of numbers is not bias, it's common sense.
18. Commentator (Posts: 2179; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
Suspect of what? Creating any amount of jobs over the last few years is something to be proud of. Also, it would be more accurate to reference the 150 million that are in the workforce, rather than the 300 million that live in the country.
22. conscious (banned) (Posts: 15; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)
The US has been losing jobs while Apple is creating more. App developer was not a career until Apple created their app store.
Of course Michael aka android fanboy thinks this is a negative.
32. chadrick0814 (Posts: 208; Member since: 23 Nov 2011)
Lets address the facts of the article and not allow your apple bias to interfere. The US has actually created 3.1 million jobs over the past 9 months, not lost. The "supported" claim from apple is strictly a PR move to get past all the people who are upset with conditions at Foxconn and questions why apple doesn't create jobs in the US, where work standards are enforced. Based on Apple's claim, between restaurants, stores, gas stations, online shopping, banking,....I estimate that I have supported 5.2 million jobs.
45. Pdubb (Posts: 236; Member since: 08 Aug 2011)
This times a thousand! Not an Apple hater but my gawd that is just stupid to claim job creation from that. I have created many jobs as well by that metric. I wish we could get over all this blind hate and love of some electronic company.
42. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
because apple created... apps??? lol lol you fan boys are silly
46. Pdubb (Posts: 236; Member since: 08 Aug 2011)
That's mainly because it was just called software. I know you do not think that there were no programs for devices until Apple came out with its App store? This is what causes people to not like Apple supporters.
25. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2614; Member since: 26 May 2011)
That's the point, we have no idea how many jobs Apple actually created, because the number includes jobs "supported". In Apple's estimation, it supports the jobs of however many shipping company workers because it has to ship its products. That isn't a creation of jobs, and it's only partially supporting said job. Apple only has a workforce of 47,000 in the USA, so the other 467,000 jobs are "supported" in some ambiguous way.
Apple has done well to create almost 20,000 jobs internally since 2008, which is certainly impressive, but it's the "supported" jobs that need a better explanation in my opinion.
24. gallitoking (Posts: 4630; Member since: 17 May 2011)
I agree the amount is not for a company the size of Apple... but way more than the Apple haters have been claiming... what I dont understand is what do they expect from Apple to bring jobs to the States?.. that wont end the hate... to be open source?... why Android is for that... and then haters will hate for copying Android.... to earn less profits?... then it wont be sucessfull and peopple will still hate for that... you tell me Michael what will make you happy from Apple..
41. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
what would make me ahappy with apple? honesty. this is nothing but a PR stunt filled with half truths to try to bolster some positive spin and take eyes off China. apples blind defenders will eat it up and its blind haters will attack it. neither Michael or I are either one of those as we both have praised and pointed the flaws in every OS and manufacturer. however when a company shovels this much BS into your face intelligent people tend to question it. there is a lot of fuzzy math going on and clarification needs to happen.
33. Lucas777 (Posts: 2121; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
well facebook has less than 5,000 employees i believe.. are they to be bashed because they are a great company that hasnt created hundreds of thousands of jobs?
i mean i dont think its really that small for a tech company.. google has significantly less than apple also
37. Whateverman (Posts: 3158; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Neither Facebook nor Goole has come out with a statement claiming these kinds of numbers either. All he's asking is how they came up with that figure. There's nothing wrong with that, right?
47. Lucas777 (Posts: 2121; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
no he stated 514,000 jobs was small for such a company which i dont think is really true-- it depends on the industry… and apple themselves only has like 60,000 jobs-- which i still dont think is very small
49. roscuthiii (Posts: 1716; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
As ubiquitous as Google is with search, maps & navigation, and advertising I would think that Google could claim to support a number much greater than 514K if they wanted to make a grandiose statement like that.
Facebook too... How many businesses have Facebook accounts? How many people link their business to their personal page? How much advertising, games, etc are distributed and developed by or for Facebook?
"Supported" is a matter of perspective without more information. Technically we all support one another economically in one fashion or another. Just by browsing the internet which supports multiple industries one could claim to "support" nearly anything they want.
So, congratulations. Just by clicking and commenting, you've supported millions and millions of people.
The only numbers Apple should have released in relation to their claims is the change in numbers of people on their payroll from time A to time B.
(And if it isn't too damning, how many jobs were created in place C.)
53. Lucas777 (Posts: 2121; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
no i agree that apple only has about 60,000 jobs.. but what im saying is i dont think that is a small number
8. conscious (banned) (Posts: 15; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)
Remix will have an especially hard time with this one as they have iPad parts manufactured in the US.
48. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
can you find me linked sources to every part of the ipad that is manufactured in the US?
14. MobileCaseReview (Posts: 239; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
Remix, I love and respect your post, but that was pretty funny lol.
52. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
it was the smartest thing he's said in a while, i'll give him that. I think he is still mad because he doesnt know how to use google search to back up an opinion though :)
4. andro. (Posts: 1927; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Apple has become increasing in the spotlight due to its questionable employment and manufacturers policies and as so they are trying to really persuade the public otherwise.
As for the pr focusing tactics for the ipad 2$ its the usual techniques to stimulate the ifans thought pattern and a set plan to maximise the milking of ifans,it happens every year,ifans getting psychologically manipulated into a buying frenzy till the apple products are sold out. Its actually good fun to watch as its almost like a discovery channel documentary watching scientists manipulate situations and stimuli on test subjects till a desired outcome is achieved!!!
23. stealthd (Posts: 863; Member since: 12 Jun 2011)
Actually, if anything Apple brought these labor issues into the spotlight, not the other way around. No one cares that Amazon, Microsoft, Motorola, Samsung (yes even Samsung, for lower end models) have their stuff manufactured in China, and no one would care that Apple does either if they didn't become so big and popular.
50. blazee (Posts: 239; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)
Apple didn't shine the spotlight on the employment situation. It doesn't even make sense that they would, when apple is the one dictates the salary and the working condition lol And I think you're missing the point, apple is not only more succesfull then any of the business you mentioned but is the most succesfull business in the world. It is an American company and with the profits it brings, it should be very easy for apple to bring back the jobs they created in china back to the states. Also please tell me what kind of jobs and how many of them are outsourced to china by amazon and microsoft.
34. Lucas777 (Posts: 2121; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
really? like what do u expect apple to do? "hey guys our employment sucks dont worry we are giving your jobs to china? oh and while ur at it buy an android?" i mean come on… they are a business.. its not necessarily right, but its how things work
and honestly.. is there an apple article u dont read? i feel like if apple was so unimportant, you wouldnt read it…
5. clevername (Posts: 1407; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
So apple has helped create or support jobs for one sixth of a percent of our nations workforce.
Id like to see what percentage of Americas workforce other American companies in apples league (or rather close to would be more accurate) employ. That would put this in perspective.
15. andro. (Posts: 1927; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Actually scratch that im wrong its 1/600th,Thats what i get for still being awake this late after a long day! Considering the money apple milks 1/600th is very poor
17. clevername (Posts: 1407; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
One 600th of 300 million is correct. But I was saying its 1/6 of 1 percent of 300 million. 1% of 300m = 3m. 500k = 1/6th of 1 % of 3m.
19. Commentator (Posts: 2179; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
The workforce doesn't include everyone who lives in the country. As of a few years ago, the workforce consisted of about 150 million people. The number would therefore be more around 1/300th.
21. conscious (banned) (Posts: 15; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)
You're dealing with fandroids. They can't think things through that far
44. SleepingOz (Posts: 2468; Member since: 22 Oct 2011)
You sound more biased and stupid than the fandroids you're bashing.
54. Johnny_Mnemonic (Posts: 240; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)
Conscious you dont think , Apple does it for you ( sorry no Free will for you )
7. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)
Which part of America that Apple built manufacturing plants or those half million jobs are call centers reps. and sale reps. at Apple Stores. At Apple Store I saw sale reps. out number customers.
9. theBankRobber (Posts: 642; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)
the numbers are a bit misleading as Apple has added the people bringing your iPad "to your door" in the supported jobs, as if shipping companies would go out of business without Apple. LMAO I didn't know Apple pays for UPS drivers to deliver their product haha Apple again taking credit for something thats not their doing. Last I checked the customer pays for the shipping, NOT APPLE.
11. conscious (banned) (Posts: 15; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)
Apple does pay for shipping in most cases genius
20. Commentator (Posts: 2179; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
Apple's not claiming to be keeping shipping companies in business, they're just claiming to be supporting them with their own business.
51. blazee (Posts: 239; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)
Well what a useless and misleading stat to put out to the public. I also support thousands of jobs just going through my daily routines lol
12. conscious (banned) (Posts: 15; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)
It's going to be a very rough week for the resident fandroid posters. So soon after the iPhone 4S has pushed Apple even more ahead in marketshare we have an iPad release. Apple wins award after award and will break even more sales records with the new iPad. Losers posting from their moms basement will continue hating. Andro, som etc please continue
16. theBankRobber (Posts: 642; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)
Are you posting from your moms basement? LOL
30. Whateverman (Posts: 3158; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Wow. New guy huh? And making lots of friends already.
40. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
Hes not new its just taco again with a different name. There is only one person who posts such nonsense in a way that shows you he actually believes what hes saying.
43. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
dude... android is still beating iOS in market share.. Samsung and the sgs2 just won all the awards, not apple...
you have no friends at all, do u taco? lol.
here's to yet ANOTHER of your accounts being banned.
27. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)
In short Apple is playing with numbers again
29. squallz506 (banned) (Posts: 1075; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
and Bluesky wins the nailgun!
i thought it was hilarious that apple who employs only 47k americans can try and take credit for 500k+ jobs. apple has one heck of a PR team to even try to get away with inflating the actual number of employees tenfold.
here is a list of the top 50 american employers:http://nyjobsource.com/largest
spoiler: apple isnt on the list.
the gap even employs 3x more americans than apple does. shame on apple for skewing those numbers so much.
lol. i buy cofee from starbucks. does that mean that i support their 115k american workers?
nice try apple.
28. jacko1977 (Posts: 377; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)
i wonder if they underpay them too mmmmmm
31. roscuthiii (Posts: 1716; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
So, If I buy a Mac online, have it shipped to me, and buy a new copy of Windows to run in Boot Camp, plug it in my house's electrical outlet, download a virus by watching porn, and take it in to get fixed... how many people can I claim I support? What kinda numbers we looking at? Because technically, that's the same rationale in Apple's numbers.
39. remco1975 (Posts: 6; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)
Look...Apple is a big company that, since it began growing after the first iPod was devolped, has created a lot of high-end jobs in the US. I has also meant a lot to the overall view of American inginuity in the rest of the world. But, in my opinion, this report is an apparent case of damage control after all the negative Foxcon/Apple-news. "Support" is such a wide definition. Has Coca Cola created 30 million jobs in the US because everyone who sells it is counted as "working in support of Coca Cola"? I think not...