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Apple may be planning to ditch carriers and offer its own wireless service

Apple may be planning to ditch carriers and offer its own wireless service
This is not really a new idea, but an analyst thinks that right now may be the best time possible for Apple to toss aside the pesky carrier system and begin to offer its own wireless service directly to iPhone and iPad customers. The idea of subverting the carrier system is one that we think of in terms of Google and the supposed push of the Nexus One to break the carrier stronghold (though we don't fully believe that was ever really the aim), but in regards to Apple the idea was one that came to light in the Steve Jobs bio. Jobs had wanted to replace carriers, and spent a lot of time on the idea in the years leading up to the original iPhone launch. Jobs' vision was to use unlicensed WiFi spectrum to create Apple's own carrier network. 

Wireless industry strategist Whitey Bluestein doesn't posit as to how Apple would create its own wireless network, but he does believe that the time is right for the move to happen. Bluestein has a history of working with major wireless carriers and big name tech companies like Microsoft, Nokia and Best Buy. Bluestein says that Apple's infrastructure of retail distribution combined with its iTunes platform (and the stored payment data for 250 million people) give it the perfect base to launch its own wireless service, and Apple has pending patents from 2006 which pertain to network architecture. 

Bluestein thinks that Apple will be the first to move on this, and leave Google "scrambling" to catch up. The logic there is that Google "lacks retail distribution, experience with subscriber services, and the iTunes ecosystem of content." We would definitely agree with the first two points there, but the Google Play store is catching up to iTunes in terms of content very quickly. 

The only bump in the road for Apple would be in regards to carrier subsidies, which would quite obviously disappear if Apple were its own carrier. Apple could use its vast cash reserves to lessen that hit, but it would still be losing upwards of $380 per handset, unless it could convince customers to buy iPhones at full price. Of course, if carriers start to push back and lower Apple's huge device subsidies, that may be just the push needed for Apple to start its own carrier service. 

source: BGR

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posted on 01 May 2012, 11:12 15

1. tech-head (Posts: 132; Member since: 02 Sep 2011)


Not gonna happen......unless they buy T-Mobile.....or something

posted on 01 May 2012, 11:18 3

3. Tux4g63 (Posts: 118; Member since: 21 Oct 2011)


With T-Mobile not looking so strong, not a far fetched idea. If this happens in the coming years, it could create a very good competitive environment for the consumer. Other carriers would have to essentially lower pricing on Apple handsets or give customers a credit, so as not to upset Cupertino, or even lower subsidized handset pricing all around again to highlight their carrier value. In a way, I kind of hope this does happen, but I can see Apple squeezing the cash cow from other networks first before they make their move.

posted on 01 May 2012, 11:20 10

5. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4138; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Yeah I don't think it WILL ever happen. BOTH Verizon & AT&T are such HUGE players & have the most spectrum that an upstart from Apple even with its large bank accounts couldn't compete.

If Apple got a network up and running it will pale in comparison to both Verizon & AT&T. I don’t know how a Wi-Fi signal would reach the woods like Verizon’s signal does. People want to reduce carrier mobile towers not add more. I think people would not go for more towers & Apple might be screwed. Shoot I might even put Sprint in there because they have a large footprint also.

I think it would be a FAIL by Apple.

posted on 01 May 2012, 12:00 8

13. remixfa (Posts: 13925; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


i dont think it would be a major player, but its a neat idea. They could easily do as Walmart, boost, virgin, or a dozen others do it.. and ride the backs of the big boys for expanded coverage.

The only big thing I see.. is I dont see a benefit. If Google got into that arena, it would be at a low price to mess with the system the way google likes to. If Apple got in, it would be against their nature to go in as the low priced carrier.. they would want to be a premium brand with a premium tag. At that rate, what would be the benefit of going to Apple Wireless for service? The one thing I could see for them as an advantage, would be to keep their prices just slightly lower than ATT/VZW, but give away iphones for contracts, since they would more than make up the subsidy on the 2 year contract. But again, that goes against every philosophy they currently have about premium pricing.. sooo... unless Cook really wants to change Apple's direction, I dont see them ever entering the space.

posted on 01 May 2012, 13:38 2

52. ACCTDADDY (Posts: 12; Member since: 06 Jan 2012)


Apple should Buy T-Mobile. Or Google should or Comcast should. Anyway someone should buy T-Mobile before they go out of bussiness.

posted on 01 May 2012, 18:05 2

64. dodo1234 (Posts: 36; Member since: 06 Nov 2011)


"Should" isn't the correct term here, cuz Tmo is the best available low cost servive on or off contract with highend smartphones, nationwide coverage n blazing HSDPA+. But "could" or "would" seem much more likely.

posted on 02 May 2012, 03:06

72. steelicon (Posts: 313; Member since: 02 Apr 2011)


1984? Scary stuff.

posted on 01 May 2012, 11:14 22

2. appleDOESNT.com (Posts: 442; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)


A company more evil and expensive than Verizon.. good luck with that Apple lol!

posted on 01 May 2012, 21:57

70. Gawain (Posts: 363; Member since: 15 Apr 2010)


You're not kidding!! LOL... I actually hope it happens, it would give me an excuse to dump the iToy I have been using (it was a gift, so I can't just toss it) and go to something more productive.

posted on 01 May 2012, 11:18 3

4. elandrumiii (Posts: 109; Member since: 20 Mar 2010)


That wojld deserve a look depending on rate plans and data restrictions. And yes tbey could buy tmobile

posted on 01 May 2012, 11:22 4

6. spindoctor55 (Posts: 18; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


I would ditch my cell phone altogether if I had to get into bed with Apple as my carrier!!!

posted on 01 May 2012, 13:21 3

46. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)


if you go into bed with your cellphone you have other issues to worry about

posted on 01 May 2012, 13:22 5

47. remixfa (Posts: 13925; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


but.. its warm.. and it vibrates. giggidy! :)

posted on 02 May 2012, 08:21

75. spindoctor55 (Posts: 18; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


Bazinga!!!

posted on 01 May 2012, 11:24 3

7. tech-head (Posts: 132; Member since: 02 Sep 2011)


Acquiring spectrum is a complicated process and Apple would have to spend billions to build infrastructure.

posted on 01 May 2012, 12:08 2

19. sithman (banned) (Posts: 299; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


They have hundreds of billions

posted on 01 May 2012, 13:43 2

55. -box- (Posts: 3816; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


@sithman, not quite. $100B =/= hundreds ($200B+)

posted on 01 May 2012, 13:34 2

51. ACCTDADDY (Posts: 12; Member since: 06 Jan 2012)


not if they bought T-Mobile

posted on 01 May 2012, 11:26 8

8. VZWuser76 (Posts: 1552; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


The only thing about this is using WiFi spectrum. Great if you live in a city, but once you're out of WiFi range (which is nowhere near as far reaching as cellular) you've got an iPod touch. So what then, get another phone for when you leave a metro area? In an emergency situation like car troubles or if you get lost, your iPhone becomes a shiny paperweight.

posted on 01 May 2012, 11:51 10

10. -box- (Posts: 3816; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Well considering its track record for signal reception strength and ability to hold a connection, a WiFi network might be an improvement...

posted on 01 May 2012, 11:59 6

12. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Oh look an unfunny troll

posted on 01 May 2012, 13:47 3

57. -box- (Posts: 3816; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


@taco how is that trolling? It's proven fact. The iphone4 was, and remains, the worst rated phone in terms of signal reception quality, call holding capability, and other connection issues in (new, that is, post-Cingular) AT&T's history. Apple admitted this with the bumper case fiasco and with the massive overhaul of the 4S' antenna designs and communication handling methods on the software level with later iOS updates, and with the design tweaks for the verizon 4 model.The software was revised to give data less of a priority (which is how it was initially designed and released, especially with iOS 4.0. It even affected 3G and 3GS owners who updated to it) and give more priority to voice services, which it should have had in the first place, being an iPHONE not an iPod+voice once in a while

posted on 01 May 2012, 12:01 5

14. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 3627; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


Are you mistaking the iPhone with the Galaxy line of phones?

posted on 01 May 2012, 12:08 7

17. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Haha yea the nexus phones have had terrible reception. Of course fandroids are hypocrites and just troll.

Look at remix losing the bet and continuing to be a worthless troll.

posted on 01 May 2012, 12:15 6

22. remixfa (Posts: 13925; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


group opinion.

who lost the bet? taco or remix? Who outsold who in Q1 2012.. Apple or Samsung? If apple won, then Remix is to be banned. if Samsung won then Taco is to be banned.

Go, search the site. Find the info. Tell us who won.

bye bye taco

posted on 01 May 2012, 12:28 3

29. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


That's the problem with you fandroids. It's not about your opinion OT your "friends". It's about facts.

posted on 01 May 2012, 12:31 5

31. remixfa (Posts: 13925; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


u dont have friends or a valid opinion. Nor do you have facts.

Phone Arena has yet to post a single article, picture, blurb, or anything that agrees with you. You found one article that agrees with you in a sea of them that dont. If you dont trust PA's writing and news, then why are you here to begin with?
If you have such proof, where is it? The last time you posted "proof" it didnt agree with you at all.

You try to cherry pick hoping people wont read it. Unfortunately for you, they do... and they know you are full of crap.

posted on 01 May 2012, 12:36 2

33. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Sounds like someone is upset the facts aren't on his side. Aah remix do you ever get tired of being wrong?

posted on 01 May 2012, 12:39 5

34. remixfa (Posts: 13925; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


can you please find the phone arena article that says apple won and samsung came in second please?

if not, then your just a worthless liar.. like always.

posted on 01 May 2012, 13:09 2

41. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Is PA the only source on the planet? You the same guy who disputes articles all the time. Lol the irony.

posted on 01 May 2012, 13:11 4

42. remixfa (Posts: 13925; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


we made the bet on this site didnt we? now this site isnt good enough? fine. .what does GSMarena, BGR, Androidcentral, applecentral, engadget, and all the others say?

oh yea, the almost all universally agree that samsung won.

woopsie for you.

posted on 01 May 2012, 13:19 8

45. remixfa (Posts: 13925; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


here, since i know your incapable of proper searching, i went and hit the sites for you.
proof, proof, proof, proof.. and more proof. and many of these articles include that site that you think was proof that apple won.. in their own articles. hmm..

http://9to5mac.com/2012/05/01/idc-samsung-takes-top-smartphone-marketshare-in-q1-as-apple-hits-8-8-h igh-of-total-mobile-phone-market/

http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/01/idc-q1-2012-shipments/

http://www.samsung.com/us/aboutsamsung/ir/ireventp resentations/earningsrelease/downloads/2012/201204 29_conference_eng.pdf

http://www.phonedog.com/2012/04/27/samsung-surpasses-nokia-as-top-phone-vendor-in-q1-2012-says-resea rch-firm/

http://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-4171.php

http://forums.webosnation.com/off-topic/314552-q1- 2012-global-samsung-1st-apple-2nd-nokia-3rd.html

http://www.phonearena.com/news/IDC-graph-tracks-Samsungs-rise-and-Nokias-decline_id29645

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-records-record-profit-for-latest-quarter-becomes-worlds-top-smartphone-manufacturer_id29551/comments

posted on 01 May 2012, 13:44 5

56. SleepingOz (unregistered)


haha, trust taco to ignore this!

posted on 01 May 2012, 15:11 3

62. remixfa (Posts: 13925; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


of course. notice how he stopped posting on this thread the moment I linked him into the corner. give him a bit and he will pop up on another thread posting how he won and I'm a liar...
such an ignorant troll.. oi

posted on 01 May 2012, 18:23

65. roscuthiii (Posts: 1830; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


And one more from a site and author that generally are iCheerleaders:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57424779-94/samsung-pulling-away-from-apple-in-smartphone-market/

posted on 01 May 2012, 13:32 1

50. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 3627; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


This post deserves recognition.

posted on 01 May 2012, 15:29 5

63. matrix_neo (Posts: 320; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


C'mon taco don't play safe here, you're also one of the hypocrites and always trolling here. How many thumbs down you already received here?? Glad you're not yet banned, maybe sooner lol

posted on 01 May 2012, 20:42 1

69. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Taco has lost, and dissapeard....
How funny... what a big loooooser.

posted on 01 May 2012, 11:27 1

9. dcgore (Posts: 206; Member since: 24 Feb 2012)


Hmmm., i think buying TMO would be the way to go. $20bn i think at&t was paying for it?

posted on 01 May 2012, 12:40

35. thedarkside (Posts: 652; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


4 billion.

posted on 01 May 2012, 13:53 1

58. -box- (Posts: 3816; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


$39 billion was AT&T's offer. It failed, so they paid the breakup fee of $3 Billion and $1 billion worth of wireless spectrum for the 700Mhz AWS frequencies

posted on 01 May 2012, 11:58 2

11. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


This could work by Apple using wifi and renting towers from carriers like a reseller. Apple has a track record of making the user experience pleasant so considering how unpleasant it is now Apple could actually do very well. Of course Apple wouldn't do this unless they had a very solid plan in place.

posted on 01 May 2012, 12:02 3

15. remixfa (Posts: 13925; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


now if only they had a plan for beating samsung in Q1 2012. hmm. why are you still posting? going to admit your a worthless liar and not good for your word?

posted on 01 May 2012, 12:07 5

16. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Please honor the bet and get off this site. Samsung lost. I've already provided the proof.

posted on 01 May 2012, 12:08 5

18. remixfa (Posts: 13925; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


what proof was that? the last link you posted said that samsung had won. but i forgot you dont actually read the "proof" you provided.

hey PA posted yet ANOTHER article saying that samsung won today. Yet you are still here. you are one sad sad little internet troll.

posted on 01 May 2012, 12:20 1

26. Pdubb (Posts: 239; Member since: 08 Aug 2011)


The way the iPhone impacted the AT&T network one woould assume that the same would impact the "new" network. The Apple experience would take a hit if they had to actually put up with cellphone customer's problems. They get some but if they had to deal with fixing the network when things went wrong (slow data, dropped calls,etc.) I do not think they would have a good track record. Especially after the past few snafus they have encountered with the new releases.

posted on 01 May 2012, 13:57 1

59. -box- (Posts: 3816; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


I'm glad you admit that the user experience is "unpleasant ... now" and that "Apple could actually do very well" improving it.

I'm so happy you've come to realize that dropping calls, getting crummy reception, having to pay for decent apps, and all while trying to use a tiny screen hardly equates a "pleasant experience"

posted on 01 May 2012, 12:09

20. Mobile-X-Pert (Posts: 565; Member since: 20 Dec 2010)


So which one is the winner??

posted on 01 May 2012, 12:13

21. tluv00 (Posts: 134; Member since: 18 Oct 2007)


Another analyst article littered with "ifs", "maybes", "possiblies" etc.

Sure it's possible. It's also possible Google could do the same.There is zero benefit and would place 100% of the level of service on Apple and I don't think they want to have to deal with cell phone coverage. It's easier to blame the carrier or the way you are holding your device.

posted on 01 May 2012, 12:19 3

25. droiddomination (Posts: 203; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)


REMIX FTW!

posted on 01 May 2012, 12:23

27. PaloAltoWorldView (Posts: 2; Member since: 01 May 2012)


Old news. I wrote about this last week already:http://www.thestreet.com/story/11510068/1/a-first-step-in-googles-new-android-strategy.html

posted on 01 May 2012, 12:25

28. shadowcell (Posts: 300; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)


Sounds great. I recall hearing this a few times earlier about Apple's intentions as a carrier. It'll work, maybe starting off in selected markets (a few cities here and there) and moving up the food chain.

Maybe instead of subsidized iPhones they could lower the monthly plans?

posted on 01 May 2012, 12:51 3

36. networkdood (Posts: 6273; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


Remix - go to FierceWireless.com - Samsung sold more smartphones than Apple for Q1 2012 - it is official....

posted on 01 May 2012, 13:24 2

48. remixfa (Posts: 13925; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


oh, im quite aware. its Taco that is in denial. He found some off the wall company that has been using its own stats to say that apple outhedged samsung. 1 article that even though others mention, they all say is full of junk.. yet Taco holds it up as ultimate proof that he won. lol. like always he is loud, clueless, and vile.

posted on 01 May 2012, 13:01 1

39. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6561; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)


You will be paying a arm and a leg with their expensive plans.

posted on 01 May 2012, 13:19 2

44. bbblader (Posts: 580; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)


lets call this iWi-Fi

posted on 01 May 2012, 14:24 1

60. phones522 (Posts: 94; Member since: 27 Jan 2010)


its an ok idea but really a network with only one phone

posted on 01 May 2012, 18:31

66. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)


I can't foresee Apple doing this, but I could definitely see Google doing this tho. Afterall, Google did take part in bidding for 700mhz spectrum before.

posted on 01 May 2012, 18:50

67. joey18 (Posts: 521; Member since: 20 Jul 2010)


Depend of the price if so spenced who wans the iphone remember apple overprice there products

posted on 01 May 2012, 20:30

68. lsutigers (Posts: 738; Member since: 08 Mar 2009)


I could see them entering into a partnership with Clearwire's new TD-LTE Advanced Network. Clear's new network will have a ton of capacity and speed with 20x20 carriers TD for much better building penetration.

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