Android 5.0 Lollipop crashes less than iOS 8, report says
42. Cicero (Posts: 859; Member since: 22 Jan 2014)
2% from what? What is the base for it. It is reporting to global user base? Better say the numbers (1000 pcs. for each tested and 2% crashed on Lollipop and 2.2% on iOS8).
45. cdm283813 (Posts: 313; Member since: 10 Jan 2015)
2% I can understand for Android. A OS that caters to many hardware configurations vs a OS that will only go into a handful of devices. Based on Apples tight control iOS should be the most stable out the two but it's not.
51. bucky (Posts: 2470; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
The number of lollipop devices is pretty tight still and probably mostly nexus. I think that number may increase as more devices have it-not justifying either crashing though.
2. HugoBarraCyanogenmod (Posts: 1035; Member since: 06 Jul 2014)
I hate Apple, I hate American icraps
7. Kruze (Posts: 1285; Member since: 30 Dec 2014)
What's the point of your comment? You want people to slap you back with a "I hate Chinese phones, I hate cheap Chinese crap"? Is that fun to you?
IMMATURE AT IT'S BEST.
46. Settings (Posts: 1494; Member since: 02 Jul 2014)
What a murky comment. They copy Apple and they hate it? That dude is just a troll.
33. cmpunk (banned) (Posts: 88; Member since: 27 Jan 2015)
your cheap chinese toys also use American's Android OS. u know that, chink moron?
43. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 2746; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
Chink? You do know that is a highly racist comment.
52. MrHate (Posts: 220; Member since: 09 Feb 2015)
You can't help someone who is talking like this.
54. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 2746; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
Indeed, stupidity can't be helped.
57. JMartin22 (Posts: 1937; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)
To be fair, he is a moron, but he shouldn't have injected a personal attack at the user.
58. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 2746; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
True, he is and no problem with that at all.
62. strudelz100 (Posts: 644; Member since: 20 Aug 2014)
You've been programmed by the language police.
63. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 2746; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
There is a difference in what students may learn, to achieve knowledge and form ideas and opinions. And using words that are known to be racist on purpose. Your sentence shows absolutely no insight whatsoever if you can't tell the difference.
3. addicted2088 (Posts: 53; Member since: 25 Sep 2012)
I think the biggest reason why this is the case is that Android has always been more flexible/feaure packed from the beginning, so Lollipop wasn't that major an upgrade as far as flexibility is concerned. But with iOS 8, Apple added a lot of stuff that wasn't there before, like third-party keyboards, advanced sharing options, so it became an issue doing it all well all of a sudden.
I love Android, but I have to say Apple is simply suffering from this because they suddenly went from making an OS that did a few things (but did them well) to an OS that is now trying to be flexible like the competition. Apple will probably get things right in the months to come as it gets used to offering advanced options that it hasn't offered before.
One thing is for certain though: both OS are great right now, though I'll be sticking to Android simply because it does the advanced/flexibility stuff better (like sharing through apps, or sending multiple files through email, which still is kinda limited on iOS).
22. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 2746; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
I partly agree on your arguments. iOS did become more open (like keyboards) and are prone to be less stable (in the beginning) because of this.
But don't forget Android 5 introduced an entirely new run-time. Also the visual overhaul goes way further than new colors/icons (including different api's). Not to mention 64 bits support. All these together I don't see Lollipop as a minor upgrade. But quite a few that can have a big impact on apps.
They are very close in stability. If you look on the source of these reports: crittercism.com, you can see stability fluctuates quite substantially each period.
24. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 2746; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
Lollipop vs Kitkat crash rate:
iOS 8 vs iOS 7 crash rate:
As you can see, Lollipop seems to fluctuate a lot and the latest numbers it's higher than iOS 8
26. Finalflash (Posts: 2791; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
The reason for the Lollipop instability is because the changes they made were very serious. The public only sees their aesthetic changes like material design language and what not, but as a developer, things like renderthread and scene/transitions framework changed everything internally. A lot of those things are borrowed from iOS and windows phone and likewise, Lollipop will be somewhat difficult for a bit.
But IMHO, Lollipop will stabilize faster than iOS because Apple is still making some serious changes to iOS including the need for better backgrounding. That in itself will probably break iOS quite a bit because literally all Apps will have to take that into account. How developers implement it will cause massive headaches as usual in a large number of cases. It is the direction the industry is headed though and so they have little choice but to face those demons asap.
35. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 2746; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
I know Lollipop brought more changes then aesthetics alone (and even those have quite more impact than looks alone). In the end both OS-es are quite stable, I wouldn't say one is significantly more stable than the other. I do think it's somewhat of an accomplishment that Android runs as stable as iOS on a more divers set of hardware.
Saw a chart recently which iOS apps have made the transition to 64 bits already and I was amazed that still so many apps are 32 bit only. Wonder if the transition will bring less or more stability to the Apple platform, since they are demanding devs to make a 64 bit version starting this month.
49. sgodsell (Posts: 3326; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
Art has been their since Jelly Bean. However you had to activate it. Now Art is the default. That is the difference. You make it sound like its a totally new thing.
50. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 2746; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
You mean KitKat, that was the first Android version in which you could activate it in dev options. Which was a preliminary version.
And no it's not totally new, but if you look at the KitKat crash scores, how many of those devices will have ART enabled? Most Android users don't play around in dev. options.
23. kryme (Posts: 329; Member since: 24 Oct 2013)
lol if its the third party keyboard and sharing thats causing ios to crash more than android then that says alot about how crappy ios really is.... wat would happen if ios was to take on custom roms and recovery and those sweet stuff that make android what it is today.... apple need to invest 10 billion from that 18billion profit to fix ios...... phonearena what is the crash rate between ios on ip+ and tw on N4.....
60. jroc74 (Posts: 5995; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Exactly. The next major iOS update is mainly, strictly about stability. That says alot.
I said this over the past few years....if it aint broke.... I like that Apple is trying to keep up with the other OS's but sometimes more isnt better.
5. AlikMalix (Posts: 5216; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Ofcourse it crashes less, Lollipop is only on 1% (+/-) Android Devices while iOS 8 is on 80%... There are just not much variations of installed/running apps, users, and settings among Lollipop vs iOS8...
Also which iOS 8 are we looking at? There was this one that was pretty bad.. the last couple updates are extremely good.
Cudos to Android to finally catch up to iOS stability... 2% is pretty damn good considering how many smartphones with Lollipop or iOS8 - so I think as consumers we are getting quality stuff here...
59. HansGoneInsane (unregistered)
It still depends on how homogenous the user groups are. Lollipop mostly runs on latest hardware right now. iOS 8 runs on latest to 3.5 years old hardware.
I can imagine that a lot of iOS8 crashes happen on older hardware.
12. mixedfish (Posts: 1154; Member since: 17 Nov 2013)
"Cudos to Android to finally catch up to iOS stability"
LOL, have a search of Phonearena, there have been articles about Android being more stable than iOS way back to Gingerbread 2.3 days.
The idea that iOS is more stable or faster than Android is false. The general iOS user is just streamlined into an ecosystem and no multi-task, so they attribute it to stability.
13. gehena1315 (Posts: 54; Member since: 12 Jun 2013)
Seriously?! You're not very bright, are you? Ahh iphone users.. LMAO!
14. tedkord (Posts: 10613; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Finally catching up? It's been lower than iOS the past couple of years according to this study, usually by a wider margin. So technically, Apple has caught up, a little.
The rest of your iRationalization doesn't even bear addressing.
39. XperiaFanZone (Posts: 2065; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)
Making yourself look like a nob since July 16th of July.
44. Cicero (Posts: 859; Member since: 22 Jan 2014)
For sure you are looking on iOS8 on ip4 and 4s. You know how many are out there?
6. Planterz (Posts: 2035; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
Since the majority of devices out there that have Lollipop available are the Nexuses, this is probably a fairly accurate comparison. But as more devices get LP updates, these numbers will skew and won't mean much, since crashes (and glitches and bugs) could be the fault of the manufacturers' skins and features, and not the stock AOSP build.
I just wish they'd fix the memory leak bug so I can try some LP ROMs that use a more traditional app switcher and a proper "silent" mode.
8. AlikMalix (Posts: 5216; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Another thing I'd like to know:
When these devices running Lollipop or iOS 8 crash - what exactly happens and what does the user have to do to get back to working properly. If iOS crashes - it typically falls into springboard page (the one with icons) where you as a user just tap the icon and launch the app/game again... There were maybe 2 or 3 situations a year that I had to force reset my phone (hold power and home button and restart the phone)
With my experience with Galxy S4, I had to pull the battery and turn the device back on to finally use the phone again - EVERYTIME the app or the phone crashed...
16. mixedfish (Posts: 1154; Member since: 17 Nov 2013)
That's just your phone and you experience. Everyone else on Android get's the old "this app has stopped unexpectedly" with a choice of 'force close' or 'wait' on the home screen.
17. tedkord (Posts: 10613; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
These are app crashes. IOS simply hides the crash (as you described). Android gives you a crash message, you click OK and are returned to the home screen.
29. Finalflash (Posts: 2791; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
No he is talking about the timeout in Android. The system gives the app 10 seconds to become responsive after which it displays the wait/force close message. He is talking about pulling the battery out before the 10 seconds are up. iOS crashes happen fairly quicker since the system is designed for the animations to be front and center. So a working UI interface is required and if it doesn't materialize quick enough, the iOS app crashes straight back to springboard without a message or anything.
32. tedkord (Posts: 10613; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
But this report is app crashes, right? So his experience is irrelevant to it.
34. Awalker (Posts: 1430; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)
I've never heard of this ten seconds. Usually the app crashes instantly and a message pops up telling you what happened.
37. tedkord (Posts: 10613; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
If it crashes, yes. He's talking about it becoming unresponsive, freezing.
61. jroc74 (Posts: 5995; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Not in my case...I seen an iPhone 4 froze for a least a minute when a co worker was showing us his kids play.
And honestly...I have yet to pull a battery within 10 seconds....been with Android since early 2010.... I can usually tell the difference between a crashed app and a stuck phone...
31. EcoCare (Posts: 403; Member since: 30 Jul 2014)
Everytime? Exaggeration much?
I have a friend that has Galaxy S4 and one of her apps crashed. It was no problem, just a message saying it stopped and you just tap okay.
40. AlikMalix (Posts: 5216; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
yes i exaggerated... i'll admit... but pulling the battery 3-4 times a week just to get my phone back was not what I got used to with iOS (power+homebutton restart 3-4 times a year)... There were general crashes with apps that doesn't annoy me - it's the total freeze and irresponsivness that pulled the string) I know it's been a year and a half since my last Android experience - and it's much better now. All I wanted to know is based on this report: what they mean by "crash"? total phone freeze or just app-to-homescreen crash?
10. GeekMovement (Posts: 2155; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)
Love watching Android improve and I also like how they name their updates after desserts/sweets in alphabetical order. (-:
47. Settings (Posts: 1494; Member since: 02 Jul 2014)
I cringe when I see emoticons inputted backwards.
15. gziegfrid (Posts: 33; Member since: 20 May 2014)
ios 8 out numbered android 5.0 that explains the crush rate to be slightly higher, although that surprised me because I was expecting ios 8 crash rate to be a lot higher than android lollipop. However the crash rate must be considered how much new features does both mobile os had given to their latest version. If android 5.0 only gives a fewer features than ios 8 then it is expected that ios 8 had the bigger changes between the two - which explains that ios has a bigger crash rate than android 5.0.
Excuse my bad english
20. tedkord (Posts: 10613; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
No, that doesn't explain anything. It was reported as a percentage, not total numbers.
The rest of the excuses you wrote debunk themselves, so no need to do it.
21. gehena1315 (Posts: 54; Member since: 12 Jun 2013)
I'll excuse both your bad English and your ignorance.
18. GeorgeDao123 (Posts: 423; Member since: 20 Aug 2013)
I though it was Android which crashed more. LOL. Good job, Apple.
19. josephnero (Posts: 555; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)
ipeople will not accept any research unless it praises their iGod
25. tedkord (Posts: 10613; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
I just knew that when this report came out the excuses would flow like wine.
28. cubinetza (Posts: 1; Member since: 13 Feb 2015)
What about the number of Lollipop devices vs ios 8 devices, and then we measure the crash reports?
30. tedkord (Posts: 10613; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
What about it? It was measured as a percentage, so those numbers don't matter, it's normalized.
Seriously? You made an account just to defend the iPhone from this report?
36. Awalker (Posts: 1430; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)
They don't seem to understand how percentages work.