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T-Mobile goes straight for LTE, leaves 82Mbps HSPA+ plans behind

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T-Mobile goes straight for LTE, leaves 82Mbps HSPA+ plans behind
T-Mobile is currently the only one of the four major US carriers that didn’t have any specific roadmap for transitioning to a 4G LTE network. At least until a couple of days ago when the carrier unveiled its “challenger strategy” under which it will invest $4 billion in developing the high-speed LTE network with theoretical limit of 100Mbps on the downlink. Now, with the news that it will skip the upgrade to 81Mbps HSPA+, the jump to 4G LTE will be direct and should happen even faster.

Previously, as soon as at CES 2012, T-Mobile had plans for going first to 84Mbps HSPA+, up from the current 42Mbps HSPA+ network. It seems that the carrier has decided its resources will be better spent on LTE instead.

Now, the transition to 4G is expected to reduce the 2G capacity on TMo’s network, and to make up for that the carrier will stop offering 3G devices in favor of the new LTE-enabled ones. This shoud offset the effect.


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posted on 28 Feb 2012, 14:37 6

1. gallitoking (Posts: 4684; Member since: 17 May 2011)


about time i hear something encouraging from T-Mo

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 16:56 4

22. torr310 (Posts: 348; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


Better coverage and longer battery life are also important.
The LTE chips consume a lot of power. Hope manufacturers will make them more energy efficient.

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 14:47 4

2. Leon101 (Posts: 90; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


HALLELUJAH!!! Its about time you guys do something about your network goshhhh and the faster you guys make the lte happen than you guys might actually earn more customers instead of losing them!!! Like foreal -___-

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 14:55

3. tward291 (Posts: 559; Member since: 14 Feb 2012)


thats what im talking about get it done tmobile so raise prices so you can get more money which mean you can get better phones

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 15:15

4. JGuinan007 (Posts: 626; Member since: 19 May 2011)


Putting AT&T's money to good use going with LTE. Is T-mo still for sale though?

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 15:50

13. GALAXY-S (Posts: 701; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)


yea it is 39000000000 OBO lol!

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 15:19 3

5. biophone (Posts: 1893; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Smart move by t-mobile lte is the better tech. May be worse with battery but once volte comes out this won't be an issue. Lte works great with not a lot of service and his faster with a 100mbps limit and lte advanced with a 1gps limit.

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 15:22 4

6. thephoneguy92 (Posts: 191; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)


I'm worried that T-Mobile will raise their prices now, which would make them lose the one edge they have in a competitive market. Let's see how this plays out.

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 15:28 1

7. LoneShaolin (Posts: 307; Member since: 14 Jan 2012)


The $9 billion they got from ATT should more than pay for the LTE network without raising cosumer rates.

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 15:42 3

11. thephoneguy92 (Posts: 191; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)


Why I would get thumbed down for this is beyond me. Mindless people

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 16:17 4

17. Chronos (Posts: 257; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)


Why you would care about being thumbed down is beyond me.

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 16:21 4

18. thephoneguy92 (Posts: 191; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)


Not that I care, just pointing out how ridiculous people are.

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 21:33

35. Chronos (Posts: 257; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)


You wouldn't have a posted a comment about being thumbed down if you didn't care. Also, calling those who thumbed you down "mindless" simply because they didn't agree with your post and worry is so very arrogant comment.

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 22:20

36. thephoneguy92 (Posts: 191; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)


I wouldn't have? It's impressive how you claim to read minds Chronos, although such claims will not make anyone think higher of you. The fact that you are commenting in such a manner shows me that you have the need to feel important. You came to the right place, where you can anonymously post comments on a mobile forum ;) And about your last sentence, I'm not entirely sure I understand, do to the poor English, so correct me if I have mistaken what you said. There is nothing to agree with on my first post. It's a fact. Nothing positive or negative about T-Mobile. It was a neutral comment. You don't make any sense. Now please, go back to playing your online games so you can yell at people to further make yourself feel "super awesome". Have a nice night!

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 22:31

37. Chronos (Posts: 257; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)


"...do to the poor English"

Alright.

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 22:41

38. thephoneguy92 (Posts: 191; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)


Lol, good catch. It's late, give me a break. At least you could still understand what I said. And the fact that that is all you can say just shows that you are a coward and can't back up what you say. But whatever the reason for your silly little comments, it's not important. There is no point in continuing this "argument", so like I said, have a nice night!

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 22:55

39. Chronos (Posts: 257; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)


And the same could be said for you with my grammar mistake. There was no reason to even include that in your post, nor was there a reason for you to include your awful attempt at provoking and insulting me in the beginning of your post. Both were irrelevant in this minor discussion of ours.

There also wasn't a need for me to respond to you at all; my post that somehow gave off an implication I was able to read minds still stands without a proper response from you.

posted on 02 Mar 2012, 19:39 1

57. miles16852 (Posts: 206; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)


thephoneguy92 -- SERIOUSLY,,, GET A DAMN LIFE!! AND 2ND, this is NOT an ENGLISH class, do you sit and watch movies correcting everything actors say! if people even gave 2 cents in carring about the grammer or spelling they would not have made the mistake in the FIRST PLACE, so MOVE On little one! your students await you in your ENGLISH class!!!

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 16:50 2

21. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1560; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


because your comment is stupid...move on

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 16:56 2

23. droiddomination (Posts: 203; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)


that is what your mom said when i was tapping it with my iDILDO.. haha.

posted on 02 Mar 2012, 19:41

58. miles16852 (Posts: 206; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)


PIG, HOG!!

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 18:02 3

25. thephoneguy92 (Posts: 191; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)


You're an idiot. Please explain to me how my comment was stupid. T-Mobile's strength is that it is the lowest priced carrier right now. It damn sure isn't still alive because it has the best service, or the best phones, or the fastest data speeds. If it was just as expensive as Verizon, nobody would be using them. That's a fact. If you are to blind to see that, then I suppose I should not be surprised that my comment got thumbed down, because clearly there are many dimwitted people here. I.E. droiddomination. Time to "move on" I suppose.

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 22:58 2

40. HäckeMáte (Posts: 168; Member since: 28 Feb 2012)


Dude, stop filling this wall with your opinionated rants. I'm scrolling and scrolling and all I see is your constant whining. Cronos was the bigger man by letting go.

Nobody cares, let it go, move on. Go pick a fight on facebook.

posted on 02 Mar 2012, 19:44

60. miles16852 (Posts: 206; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)


i think 'thephoneguy92' would like some whine! with his cheese!

posted on 02 Mar 2012, 19:42 1

59. miles16852 (Posts: 206; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)


thephoneguy92 IS drama, drama, drama, drama, drama, drama, drama, drama, drama, drama,

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 15:31 2

8. captainqtp (Posts: 16; Member since: 25 Jun 2010)


I'm not sure that LTE is the better mobile internet technology for cell phones right now. I use a Galaxy S 4G and I get great speed with a battery that lasts a day and a half under normal use. I don't see many/any LTE phones getting that yet. Now, when NVIDIA finally rolls out that SOC with the LTE on the same die.... things might change, but until then I prefer HSPA+ for day to day use. While HSPA+ on T-Mobile is not as fast as LTE on Verizon, I still see 8-12mpbs quite often which is fast enough for just about any use case I have.

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 15:32 1

9. Jphones (Posts: 233; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)


Finally yeah 2013 LTE here we come. An by then battery tech and phone tech should almost be on par so we shouldn't have to worry so much about batteries needing constant rechargin.

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 15:39 4

10. Chronos (Posts: 257; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)


That's great news for T-Mobile subscribers, which I am included in. Now, maybe the company can gain a better selection of smartphones.

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 16:46

20. tward291 (Posts: 559; Member since: 14 Feb 2012)


i hope they suppose to have 10 lte devices by then to so lets see what they get

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 15:45 6

12. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


OK, Tmobile.. lets just remember to make the radio band compatible with other networks so i can get any phone I want from anywhere and keep my 4g service. Ahh a dream come true :)

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 17:39

24. maier9900 (Posts: 257; Member since: 17 Dec 2011)


A agree!

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 18:39

27. TheInfamousCJ (Posts: 20; Member since: 24 Nov 2011)


T Mobile is so confusing; 8 days ago I read 2 article that said there were continuing their plans to implement Multiflow with 168mbps download in 2013 and a max of 650 in the subsequent years. Another report stating t mobile expects to have 10 LTE devices by 2014 using peak speeds of 100 mbps. We seen VZW and AT&T start LTE as the 4th generation tech, Sprint forgoing WIMAX 2 which in theory has better speeds than LTE Advanced. Now its Magenta; faster in theory is not necessary better. My question is LTE (plus and advanced) a more consistent data connection and call quality?

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 20:06 2

32. Droid800 (Posts: 22; Member since: 23 Jan 2012)


T-mobile never confirmed anything beyond 42 Mbps. There was anecdotal evidence that they would, but they, in fact, stopped their upgrades at HSPA 42.

LTE is better in every conceivable way than HSPA+. It has more consistent connections, can support more simultaneous connections at higher speeds, and can support HD Voice.

posted on 29 Feb 2012, 01:49

46. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Your right.. but not.

Last year when they announced the upgrade to 42mb/s they also announced a "1 year later" upgrade to 84m/s.... to the team.. not publicly.. it was part of their official road map.

Your reasons for LTE are wrong. consistency is wrong as VZW has constant problems with their LTE network. It does allow for more connections AT bandwith than HSPA+, though any high speed connection could support "HD Voice". NONE including LTE support that at this time because its a bandwith hog. LTE has a ton of positives for it.. especially if your already on a GSM carrier like Tmobile as its a more natural "hand off" as well as Tmobile has a much higher hand off from "4g LTE" to "4g HSPA+42mb/s" unlike VZW that goes from "4g" to "3g 1.5mbs"

posted on 29 Feb 2012, 16:02

48. Droid800 (Posts: 22; Member since: 23 Jan 2012)


My reasons for LTE are most certainly not wrong. LTE is a more substantial standard than HSPA. That is a fact. It supports more simultaneous users, and can support higher data speeds more consistently. Your use of Verizon's issues are laughable, because none of the issues they've had actually have to do with LTE. They all have to do with the integration method Verizon chose for LTE and 3G.

Oh, and you're also wrong about HD Voice. That's the entire point of VoLTE, which is still on track for release this year. HSPA has nothing comparable because it can't support it.

posted on 29 Feb 2012, 16:05

51. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


lol. if you say so. The only real advantage LTE has over HSPA+ is a much better bandwith usage so they can get more people on the signal and free up space compared to what they currently use.
The rest of that isnt all that accurate... at all.

posted on 29 Feb 2012, 16:17

53. Droid800 (Posts: 22; Member since: 23 Jan 2012)


It most certainly is. Go read the spec and go read the comparisons. There's a reason HSPA+ is being abandoned in all of the developed nations.

posted on 29 Feb 2012, 16:45

55. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Its not being "abandoned" lolol. seriously. HSPA+ is still spreading and will continue to. MOST GSM carriers use both HSPA+ and LTE which is the best combination as when you pop off the LTE tower, the next signal down is 42mb/s HSPA+ instead of what VZW offers which is about 3mb/s (real life about 1mbps) Its also a much easier hand off from LTE to GSM compared to LTE to CDMA, which is part of the reason that VZW keeps having issues with their LTE network.

When Tmobile does LTE, they will be using that, and HSPA+42mb/s as the back haul. fast with a side of fast. Much faster than ATT's LTE with 12mb/s HSPA+, or VZW's LTE with 3mb/s..
and yet, half the cost.

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 20:59

34. -box- (Posts: 3727; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Maybe they're just trying to offer what big red and big blue are offering? People see the "LTE" and think it's amazing and desireable without comparing, like people who buy hybrids even when diesels get better mileage

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 15:59

14. PAPINYC (Posts: 2224; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)


Cooool..... congrats T-Mo!

Yeah, the only one really stuck on that HPSA+ is AT&T.

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 16:29 2

19. networkdood (Posts: 6260; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


LOL, which is tons faster than my VERIZON 3G or the SPRINT 3G that iphone 4S users get to use. Good thing about what AT&T is doing is that when you are using 4g LTE and you go into an HSPA+ zone, it will be a far less of drop off than that of a VERIZON 4G LTE user going to 3G CDMA.

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 18:41

28. PAPINYC (Posts: 2224; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)


Luckily, I am blanketed from head-to-toes and back up to follicles in Verizon 4G LTE and if I need to do something on wi-fi I just borrow someone's iPhone.

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 16:03

15. sheep (banned) (Posts: 10; Member since: 26 Feb 2012)


finally!

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 16:17 2

16. maier9900 (Posts: 257; Member since: 17 Dec 2011)


Whats the point for having lte with 100mbps sonce you're never going to see that kind of speed downloading an episode or a movie or even surfing the web. Wtf. The current hspa its enough for millions of ppl. Speed will be the same.

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 20:00

31. Droid800 (Posts: 22; Member since: 23 Jan 2012)


LTE can support more simultaneous connections when fully loaded and is a more robust standard. HSPA falls on its ass when fully loaded. (just look at AT&T)

posted on 29 Feb 2012, 01:40

44. maier9900 (Posts: 257; Member since: 17 Dec 2011)


Really?... woow.

posted on 29 Feb 2012, 01:38

43. matthew04101 (Posts: 12; Member since: 08 Feb 2012)


"whats the point" ? -- the point is, the actual speeds are always much slower than the speeds the companies claim, but still the higher speeds they claim the faster speeds you get. so for me, i'd want them to claim that they're planing to roll out 1gbps in a very near future (which is unlikely)

posted on 29 Feb 2012, 01:41

45. maier9900 (Posts: 257; Member since: 17 Dec 2011)


you don't get it.

posted on 02 Mar 2012, 19:54

61. miles16852 (Posts: 206; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)


thats your opinion maier9900 ! so keep it! dont try to ram it down our throats like you want it to be a fact ! ain't gonna work!

posted on 29 Feb 2012, 16:05

50. Droid800 (Posts: 22; Member since: 23 Jan 2012)


Uhm. What?

Verizon advertises 5-12 for their LTE. I consistently get 8-22.

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 18:02 1

26. -box- (Posts: 3727; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Noooooo. Give us 100+Mbps on HSPA+, and focus on LTE-Advanced!

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 19:09

29. masterchina (Posts: 50; Member since: 27 Sep 2011)


It's all the same here in hawaii, to bad.

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 19:59 1

30. Droid800 (Posts: 22; Member since: 23 Jan 2012)


This article is confusing. The headline says 82 Mbps, and the article says both 81 and 84 Mbps. We all know its 84Mbps, but that's beside the point. Come on PA!

posted on 28 Feb 2012, 20:38

33. simplyj (Posts: 404; Member since: 23 Dec 2009)


Why? 84 mbps HSPA+ > first gen LTE. They should skip first gen LTE and go to LTE Advanced.

posted on 29 Feb 2012, 16:04

49. Droid800 (Posts: 22; Member since: 23 Jan 2012)


Who says they're not?

The differences between LTE Advanced and regular LTE are minor. If T-mobile lays the backhaul properly, they can support both in short order. (and with their announced timetable, I would bet money they're going straight to LTE-A)

posted on 29 Feb 2012, 16:08

52. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Going to LTE-A would be awesome but it would cost more. Tmobile generally waits till tech matures to take advantage of the lower roll out costs. More than likely it will be regular LTE. But they are also smart. They will make it easy for them to do quick upgrades to LTE-A down the road. Thats how they built their 3G network and were able to then quickly beat everyone to 4G coverage with their super quick HSPA+ rollout outs and upgrades.
Who knows until they announce it, but if past performance is an indicator, they will go for the cheaper LTE tech just to get the "LTE" name on their services.

posted on 29 Feb 2012, 16:18

54. Droid800 (Posts: 22; Member since: 23 Jan 2012)


It won't really cost that much more, especially when you factor in the costs for upgrades to LTE-A if they decide to wait.

posted on 29 Feb 2012, 16:48

56. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


i think u just want to argue with me at every turn. lol seriously. I work for Tmobile. I'm cheering for LTE-A but their history shows that more than likely it will just be LTE. And if the network is ready to upgrade at a future time, it will be cheaper, not more expensive. As the tech matures the cost of producing it goes down which greatly reduces equipment overhead. The cost of labor is cake compared to the cost of tech.

posted on 29 Feb 2012, 00:06

41. Jphones (Posts: 233; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)


Dam yall picky just be happy they upgrading their service. New tech comes all the time everything is eventually outdated. So stop complaining

posted on 29 Feb 2012, 01:18

42. Glim12808 (Posts: 393; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)


Thumbs up to TMo!

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