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Samsung Galaxy S6, LG G4 might get delayed due to Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 issues

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Samsung Galaxy S6, LG G4 might get delayed due to Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 issues
It seems that the Snapdragon 810, Qualcomm's “flagship” chipset that will power some of the more-anticipated devices of the upcoming year, might reportedly get delayed due to a series of most unfortunate issues. As per certain rumors that are circulating in the air, the CPU on board the Snapdragon 810 chipset (the clock speeds of which got revealed earlier today) is experiencing overheating problems at certain voltage levels, which leads to under-performance.

But that's not the only problem that Qualcomm's 64-bit capable beast is reportedly faced against. Apart from the CPU, the Adreno 430 GPU unit is also said to be problematic due to an error in the drivers. And last, but not least, the application processor's RAM controller is allegedly causing a lot of headaches over at Qualcomm.

These issues might prove to be quite problematic for Qualcomm. It's even speculated that they might be the culprit for a production delay. This can potentially lead to a delay in the production of some of 2015's hottest and much-expected devices that will make use of the Snapdragon 810 – the Samsung Galaxy S6 and the LG G4, among others. Well, Samsung can still resort to its own Exynos chipsets, but LG is yet to release a phone with its own NUCLUN SoC, which is reportedly flawed

source: BusinessKorea via G4Games

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posted on 04 Dec 2014, 08:38 8

1. FoneAddict (Posts: 259; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)


Qualcomm sort this BS out quickly!

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 09:38 3

10. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4833; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


This has happened before & Qualcomm always responds quickly. They know how to handle this. They are a HUGE corporation who work swiftly to fix any issues that come up.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 10:02 6

13. roldefol (Posts: 4242; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


True. Qualcomm is a powerhouse in the industry. They will not roll over and let the competition take advantage. Better that this gets caught now than when 810 phones arrive next spring.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 11:29 1

15. medicci37 (Posts: 1276; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)


This is what happens when 1 company dominates.since they skipped innovation with the 801 which wasn't really a new processor just a new name Qualcomm should be ahead of schedule not behind

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 12:51 1

16. roldefol (Posts: 4242; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


I have more of an issue with them rebranding the S4 Pro as the 600. 800 and 801 are only a digit apart.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 16:11

23. medicci37 (Posts: 1276; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)


Lol yeah so I guess whatever comes after the 810 will still be the 810

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 18:59 2

28. roldefol (Posts: 4242; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


Snapdragon 811: But this one goes to 11.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 13:45

17. torr310 (Posts: 838; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


Samsung is not necessary to delay if they use their own CPU.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 08:42

2. tech2 (Posts: 3451; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)


Samsung might go with SD808 in S6 and Exynos 7. While LG since it releases its flagship few months after Samsung might hold off for SD810.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 09:48

11. roldefol (Posts: 4242; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


For all we know, the 808 is suffering similar issues. I wonder if anyone will bother with the 808. It's probably a great chipset, but launching it alongside the 810 makes it look obsolete before it even arrives.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 16:50 1

25. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


That's a very bad solution. The GPU in 808 is adreno 418 which is lower than the 420 in sd 805. Also the CPU is cortex a53 based which will be slower than the krait in s805. They'd rather use the 805.

Next gen exynos will steam roll the s808 and that will cause buyers remorse.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 08:47 1

3. kamejoko (Posts: 203; Member since: 10 Nov 2011)


Current Exynos 7 (5433) work very fast and cooler than before. I think SS no need wait qualcomm S810.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 08:49 1

4. xtroid2k (Posts: 517; Member since: 11 Jan 2010)


HTC M9, this is your chance. Slap in an 805 SOC. screw 64bit

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 10:13 2

14. RaKithAPeiRiZ (Posts: 1488; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)


and wait for Samsung , Sony Lg to run rings around it once their 810's are ready ?

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 08:54

5. Micah007 (Posts: 254; Member since: 09 Oct 2014)


It's news like this that inches me closer everyday to saying screw it and just getting the 32bit Nexus 6

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 16:10

22. DillWeed (Posts: 149; Member since: 14 Mar 2014)


It's hard to guess how fast 64 bit specific applications will leave you left out.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 08:57 3

6. aayupanday (Posts: 574; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


Ditch Qualcomm..
Go for Next Gen Intel - PowerVR Combo

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 14:29

19. Micah007 (Posts: 254; Member since: 09 Oct 2014)


I'll consider.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 16:12

24. DillWeed (Posts: 149; Member since: 14 Mar 2014)


you selling? 14nm- yeah, I'd buy the s**t out of that s**t.
Also, gimme intel HD, I'd like to finish up playing Skyrim on a 6" dual boot phone with win 10 64 bit and android 6.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 09:06

7. zachki17 (Posts: 261; Member since: 14 Sep 2014)


Lg has made her oun (Odin .. House processor) its faster like Exynos7. (2.3 Quad core and 1.7 Quad core )

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 09:12 1

8. jayd3n (Posts: 33; Member since: 15 Apr 2014)


its NUCLUN they canceled the Odin name.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 10:01 1

12. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1522; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)


Only that Exynos 7 is A57/A53 and Odin (now NUCLUN) is A15/A7, making the Exynos7 the faster processor.
We are yet to see how the LG SoCs actually perform, but I don't expect a lot as it's the fisrt generation they are creating.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 09:36

9. livyatan (Posts: 867; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)


uh huh..

Well, this will at least make me even more comfortable with sticking to my Note 3 and the already legendary Snapdragon 800 chip.. the last high end non-Apple ARM chip that wasn't compromised, that made perfect sense and was fully mature.

I'm waiting for its true successor with hopefully four next gen Qualcomm cores

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 13:47

18. renz4 (Posts: 317; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)


isn't that Qualcomm already starts selling MDP device for SD810? if this is true then the problem might also happen to those device. maybe developer that owning the kit can make some explanation?

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 14:29 1

20. strudelz100 (Posts: 644; Member since: 20 Aug 2014)


How can Qualcomm have trouble with OFF THE SHELF PARTS.

810 uses STOCK ARM cores. There is no development needed here.

More likely they want to delay to use up their massive inventory of 3 year old Krait processors.

posted on 05 Dec 2014, 08:08

40. elitewolverine (Posts: 5183; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


Using a core and getting that core on die is another story.

Considering the market for android is 60% cheap devices, 3yr old kraits will fly into 100-200. Not to mention they have already made their money back on those old chips.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 15:30

21. alaw.14 (Posts: 227; Member since: 10 Sep 2013)


Sd810 is to powerful to put in a phone anyway. The gpu or adreno 430 has about 388 gflops of power. Thats more powerful then that beast tegra k1 gpu. Then they add cortex a57 and a53, even on 20nm its going to be a miracle for qualcomm to make sd810 a battery saver.

posted on 05 Dec 2014, 00:12

30. renz4 (Posts: 317; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)


no it is not. close but still behind tegra K1 gpu.

posted on 05 Dec 2014, 03:36

32. alaw.14 (Posts: 227; Member since: 10 Sep 2013)


Actually the tegra k1 produces 364 gflops at 950 mhz. Adreno 430 is more efficient then tegra k1, adreno 430 produces 324 gflops at 500 mhz and 388 gflops at 600 mhz. Adreno 430 also has 288 ALUs.

posted on 05 Dec 2014, 06:13

37. renz4 (Posts: 317; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)


that is just raw performance. there is also a matter how efficient the performance translated into real world application (which means how efficient their drivers are). look the GFXbench score (1080p offscreen test):

http://gfxbench.com/result.jsp

adreno 430 is to be expected around 30% faster than adreno 420. from the list the fastest adreno 420 device capable of outputting 19FPS. add 30% more performance from that number only yield around 24.7FPS. that is still behind 31FPS that nvidia shield capable of. of course qualcomm still not final with adreno 430 spec. now they know how tegra K1 perform they can try to beat that performance.

posted on 05 Dec 2014, 06:45

38. alaw.14 (Posts: 227; Member since: 10 Sep 2013)


Yeah we will have to just wait and see what qualcomm does.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 18:26

26. iLovesarcasm (Posts: 527; Member since: 20 Oct 2014)


So I'll go with Hima.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 18:29

27. zulrakz (Posts: 9; Member since: 21 Jul 2014)


why not try nvidia k1..

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 23:01

29. DaveElliott (Posts: 115; Member since: 20 Sep 2012)


Ha ha ha. They report a delay and many of the villagers are getting the torches and pitch forks. Others have the need to say something to feel superior about their choice in phone. It is a delay which might impact a release date of a phone or two. That is an Android phone or two. The worst is many of the remarks come from those who make fun of how iPhone users wet themselves and cry hysterically when a new model is released.The rest of you are cool.

No, I won't come back to read the whining and rationalizations. On to the next.

posted on 05 Dec 2014, 03:31

31. Bertelgeus (banned) (Posts: 126; Member since: 15 Oct 2014)


What Apple seemingly did so effortlessly is quite a hard nut to crack for Qualcomm.

What are the excuses this time?

posted on 05 Dec 2014, 03:52

33. zachki17 (Posts: 261; Member since: 14 Sep 2014)


Apple processeur its not faster its just optimized .. With apple product .. And apple use always a lawer resolution 640p 720p so theres not lot of pixel to puch .. For exzmple lg g3 has 2 Qauad Hd its has 3.7 million pixel to puch every sec .. Apple only 1 million

posted on 05 Dec 2014, 04:07

34. Bertelgeus (banned) (Posts: 126; Member since: 15 Oct 2014)


The amount of pixels puts constraints on the memory bandwidth, NOT on the chip's computing capability. At the same clock, Apple's A7 is roughly twice as fast as CA57 and more than four times as fast as CA53 which is the prioritized cluster by Android on ARM's big.LITTLE configurations due to the power consumption.

big.LITTLE configuration is a big.LIE: it's optimized only for benchmarks.

posted on 05 Dec 2014, 07:32

39. Freecableguy (Posts: 42; Member since: 21 Jul 2014)


What are you basing this on? My Exynos Note 4 scores 1282 @ Geekbench single-core at 1.9GHz. iPhone 5S does around 1400 at 1.3GHz. That makes A7 ~60% faster clock per clock. Considering SD810/Exynos come with 4x A57 cores + 4x A53 cores that can be used simultaneouslly instead of 2 cores (Apple A7) I think they will be fine. I really like Apple's solution but I think both have their strenghts and the MT performance that those big.LITTLE designs can deliver inside a phone is just crazy (wheter we need it or not is up for debate).

posted on 05 Dec 2014, 11:32

41. zachki17 (Posts: 261; Member since: 14 Sep 2014)


Turn on your apple device .. First thing there no widget in the screen ..2nd apple its 720 screen that make a7 work fine .. Try it with 1080 p and you will see thecdiference. .. Android is complicated has a lot of featers .. Ios only simple featers .. .. Android is not optimized it work with all phone. But ios is optimized to. Work with apple prodcut . so apple a7 is not faster its very slow if you place it in galaxy note 4 the phone will not turn on sorry my bad english

posted on 05 Dec 2014, 15:02

43. Bertelgeus (banned) (Posts: 126; Member since: 15 Oct 2014)


It's not about your English. You just sound like another typical Droid fanboy. Educate yourself before repeating fabricated craps you found around the web.

posted on 05 Dec 2014, 15:00

42. Bertelgeus (banned) (Posts: 126; Member since: 15 Oct 2014)


There is a steep penalty in bandwidth when both big and little clusters are activated. In other words, they are used simultaneously only in benchmarks where the cores compute the same data over and over without reading from memory which is unrealistic. In addition, it's a piece of cake writing benchmarks in favor of certain CPU properties. Most benchmarks tend to do the same computations with dependencies over and over, rendering both ooe and multiple pipelines useless which is also very unrealistic. It's insane to see people trusting benchmarks so blindly.

posted on 05 Dec 2014, 15:23

44. zachki17 (Posts: 261; Member since: 14 Sep 2014)


Benchmark is just an app to test the hardware .. I told you why i phone always get higher score .. And you can cheat in the benchmarkk .. Like samsang didwith the note 3 ...
Nexus 5 is an android phone with 1080 display .. Iphone 720 .. Watch in youtube nexus 5 vs iphone 6 speed test in real life .. Who. Lunch Multitasking faster .. ? Nexus 5 is way better just watch and then respond

posted on 05 Dec 2014, 04:32

35. Bertelgeus (banned) (Posts: 126; Member since: 15 Oct 2014)


It could be the perfect opportunity for Samsung ditching Qualcomm altogether: Samsung is more or less FORCED to use Qualcomm chips by the US carriers for various reasons, mostly myths around "network reliability".

US Carriers will HAVE TO accept Exynos exclusively based GS6 next year, and once proven to be feasible, they won't have any reasons for insisting on Qualcomm chips in the future.

Good luck Samsung, and RIP Q.

posted on 05 Dec 2014, 04:32

36. zachki17 (Posts: 261; Member since: 14 Sep 2014)


I wish apple install android rom in their i phone an you will see the difrence .. .. And iphone 6 perform better then i phone 6 plus .. Because of the superior resulution .. And nexus 5 is way faster then i phone 6 because bexus 5 is optimized

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