Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 clock speeds revealed: up to 2GHz for A57 cores, up to 1.6Ghz for A53 cores

The Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 is expected to be the brain that powers practically all of the best Android smartphones of 2015, and now the first details about the clock speed of the octa-core chip have surfaced.

The Snapdragon 810 will come with four Cortex A57 high-performance cores and four power-efficient Cortex A53 cores. The performance-driven A57 cores will run at a clock speed of up to 1958MHz (1.96GHz), while the A53 power-savvy cores will be clocked at up to 1555MHz (1.56GHz).

Interestingly, those are clock speeds that are actually lower than the running speeds of current generation Snapdragon 805 Krait 450 cores that are tuned at up to 2.65GHz. However, we should note that while the 805 is a quad-core chip, the 810 is an octa-core one.

The cores themselves are no longer the custom Krait cores that Qualcomm used to develop, but rather the company has used ARM’s processor license, featuring the A57 and A53 cores.

The major difference between the upcoming Snapdragon 810 and the Snapdragon 805 is, of course, the fact that the 810 is a 64-bit chip, built on the new ARMv8-A instruction set, while the 805 is a 32-bit SoC, using the ARMv7-A ISA.

The 810 is also built on the more efficient, 20nm process,while the 805 is manufactured on 28nm lithography.


source: Andrei Frumusanu

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46 Comments

1. vincelongman

Posts: 5677; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

I remember Qualcomm calling 64-bit, Octa cores and big.LITTLE useless Now they are releasing exactly that lol I'm pretty disappointed they didn't release the 810/808 this year They are quite far behind Apple and Nvidia who already have their own custom ARMv8 cores They should have designed some ARMv8 Krait custom cores

6. thienson

Posts: 8; Member since: Oct 09, 2012

I'm guessing they release these to buy time while still designing ARMv8 Krait cores...maybe couple more years...

9. nokia12

Posts: 610; Member since: Nov 19, 2013

even mediatek is closing on them now snapdragon 210/410 gets beaten by mt6732 snapdragon 610/615 gets beaten by mt6752 snapdragon 805 gets beaten by mt6595 MT6795 will probably beat snapdragon 810 though in high end chips their gpu's are weak

27. cezarepc

Posts: 718; Member since: Nov 23, 2012

Yeah mediatek is killing it everywhere except from the GPU front. If they somehow manage to fix that they may actually start chipping away at qualcomms pie on the high end segment.

33. Martin_Cooper

Posts: 1774; Member since: Jul 30, 2013

Ye all that is nice but mediatek is known for not realising drivers for new android version, thats why you see most of of chinese phones with mediatek stuck on 4.2, 4.3 etc

37. sgodsell

Posts: 7209; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

Interesting that this source said that the Snapdragon 810 is running at 2 GHz, whereas Qualcomm's site states that the 810 can run at 2.8 GHz.

7. livyatan

Posts: 867; Member since: Jun 19, 2013

They are designing their custom 64bit cores, but those chips will be out by the end of 2015, or maybe early 2016.

8. nokia12

Posts: 610; Member since: Nov 19, 2013

custom cores from qualcomm will arrive at mwc 2016

36. Berzerk000

Posts: 4275; Member since: Jun 26, 2011

Didn't they fire the guy who said 64 bit was useless? Also, they never said octa cores were useless, they said Cortex A7 based octa cores were useless because even though they had high multi-threaded capability, their single-threaded performance was terrible compared to a high end quad core. However, this implementation of an octa core has both high single thread and high multi thread performance.

38. renz4

Posts: 319; Member since: Aug 10, 2013

i think that guy still with qualcomm. they just reassign him to another part of the company. as for the octa core qualcomm admit that they bow to market demand. that's why they make it. personally i still don't understand why you need so many low power core in big.LITTLE implementation. since the low power core will only handle light task is there really need many of them?

40. ThirdEye

Posts: 33; Member since: Oct 31, 2012

That guy was Anand Chandrasekhar, formerly the head of Intel's mobile division which unsuccessfully tried to unseat Qualcomm from its perch. With respect to why so many low power cores are needed, I think by design there should be the same number of low power cores as there are high power cores. Even if the OS+ Governer is capable of distributing the tasks to all cores at a time, there needs to be a basic symmetry, I suppose. The only attempt of a Asymmetric low power core was done by NVIDIA with Tegra 3 and for practical reasons, done away with Tegra 4 as well as Denver. Personally, I would like to see some diversity like 2A57+2A53 and compare it against 4*A57 or 4*A53 to see how thinks stack up. But none of the SOC manufacturers are willing to produce products of that kind....

46. Bertelgeus

Posts: 126; Member since: Oct 15, 2014

No, the CA53 is a dual issuing, in-order one, comparable to the CA8. Apple's A7 easily smokes it with 6-issuing, out-of-order design.

2. brrunopt

Posts: 742; Member since: Aug 15, 2013

Suport up to 55MP Lumia 1030 - 50MP Lumia 1030 most likely with a 810.

10. fouadqr

Posts: 326; Member since: Nov 21, 2012

Nope , MS will disappoint everyone by release it with SD400 -.-

12. deanylev

Posts: 234; Member since: Mar 11, 2014

No not necessarily. The Lumia 1020 had a 41MP camera on an SoC that only supported up to 16MP sensors. Dedicated ISP.

28. cezarepc

Posts: 718; Member since: Nov 23, 2012

exactly.

3. ArtSim98

Posts: 3535; Member since: Dec 21, 2012

This in the Z4 and we'll be happy.

4. mayur007

Posts: 593; Member since: Apr 10, 2012

2015 ces will be exciting......!!!!!!!!!!

5. livyatan

Posts: 867; Member since: Jun 19, 2013

When SD 810 got announced I thought "Oh wow, Qualcomm is in big trouble now. They are behind with their own 64bit cores and now have to use stock ARM. And why would vendors pay extra for that when everyone can and is just slapping A57+A53 together. Mediatek, Rockchip, Samsung, Huawei, Allwinner - all of them will be building such 20nm chips" But here we are a year later and everyone is again using this Snapdragon. I guess no one can match the overall package Qualcomm is bringing. This will probably be fully 64bit enabled(the Exynos 5433 isn't) , with the most advanced connectivity package, will have almost double the bandwidth, and GPU performance (compared to Exynos 5433 which uses the same CPU setup) . Also the CPU performance will be greater, not by much but I expect over 1300 /4300 in Geekbench. Good job Qualcomm

11. nokia12

Posts: 610; Member since: Nov 19, 2013

in low end , OEM are switching to mediatek.. .. sony,htc,google ,asus all using mediatek now in high end mediatek didn't have any high end chip and tegra k1 was not meant for phones so you see OEM didn't have choice .. it will take time for other companies to make a mark in high end but it will start this year don't worry, especially now when mediatek is producing high end chips and probably tegra k2 will be ready for phones this time

15. livyatan

Posts: 867; Member since: Jun 19, 2013

That's not what I am seeing. The Snapdragon 410 is powering the majority of new lower midrange phones, while the 810 is picking up all big contracts (S6, Z4, One M9, G4, Xiaomi Mi5) And by the time Tegra M1 comes out, it won't have any big contracts left, even if it can run in phones.

22. Cicero

Posts: 1117; Member since: Jan 22, 2014

Because of performance/price ratio?

25. nokia12

Posts: 610; Member since: Nov 19, 2013

snapdragon 410 has been out for 3 months now .. while mediatek new chips are coming out from this month. the most recent example is htc with old chips.. they are launching 2 models of same phones .. 1 has snapdragon , the other has mediatek for eg - desire 620 and 620g desire 820 and 816, desire 616 asus is ditching intel in favor of mediatek http://www.phonearena.com/news/Trip-to-GFX-Benchmark-site-reveals-switch-to-MediaTeks-64-bit-LTE-SoC-for-next-Asus-ZenFone_id63433 sony is working on 5 phones that will use mediatek and they will launch in mwc http://www.xperiablog.net/2014/07/04/sony-to-use-mediatek-mt6732-chipset-in-4-to-5-models-next-year/ and as you already know android one is mediatek itself thing is the new chips from mediatek are awesome but are 3 months behind the schedule from snapdragon 410 .. even now there aren't many Chinese phones that have 6732 chip yet.. so you will see many launches at CES and MWC with mediatek chip yeah true but 810 is already out to OEMs.. so 810 is meant for launches at mwc .. so right now OEM didn't have choice in high end... so s6,z4.m9 will have 810... what i was talking about was the launch time at september ( note5,g4,z5) its at that time you will see more of mediatek and tegra in high end.. mediatek high end chip with cortex A57 ( mt 6795) isn't ready yet and neither is tegra m1 in low and mid end, qualcomm is already having a hard time now .. in high end things will change by the end of 2015 ..

29. livyatan

Posts: 867; Member since: Jun 19, 2013

Good info, thanks

34. pmugghc

Posts: 46; Member since: May 11, 2014

Thanks, that's interesting. Do you have any info on the expected performance of Mediatek vs 810?

39. nokia12

Posts: 610; Member since: Nov 19, 2013

your welcome 810 competitor will be Mt6795 which will be quad Core cortex A57 + quad core Cortex A53 the performance will be similar to snapdragon 810 .. but snapdragon 810 will be in phones costing 700 $ whereas Mt6795 will be in phones costing 300 $ only take a look at lenovo vibe X2 benchmarks ( google it ) it only costs 320$ and equals snapdragon 805.. you will see the similar thing between Mt6795 vs 810 Cpu wise they will be equal as both of them are using same stock ARM cores.. in GPU there will be a difference of about 60 % .. adreno 430 will be 50-60% more powerful than mediatek chip but that is just theoretical advantage because almost all of those 700$ phones will have 2k displays and 300$ mediatek phones will have 1080p displays so all that extra power will be wasted in powering 2k displays .. and they will end up performing almost equal in real life..

13. TyrionLannister unregistered

Exynos 5433 is fully 64-bit capable. it just needs a 64-bit kernel. Wait for the lollipop and note 4 exynos will go 64-bit. It's bootloader already has 64-bit code. Exynos 5433 at 32-bit already goes 1300/4300 in geekbench so this chip with LPDDR4 RAM and 64-bit will easily reach 1600/5000. The catch here is that 5433 was a s805 competitor and by the time qualcomm launches 810, Samsung will launch 7420 with the same or better features as s810. Also it will have the traditional wolfson DAC. Samsung has a huge chance in GPU too. 5433 uses hexa core mali T760 which matches adreno 420. 430 is 33% faster than 420 so samsung can either move to MP8 to match adreno 430 or move to MP10 or MP16 to trash it into the ground.

16. livyatan

Posts: 867; Member since: Jun 19, 2013

Samsung can't just "move to MP8" because that will use more power. The 20nm Mali T760 has actually proven to be slightly inferior to the 28nm Adreno 420. So, 20nm Adreno 430 cannot be matched by what Mali currently has to offer, on the same node. And the bandwidth of Exynos is just 11GB/s compared to over 25GB/s in the SD810, which makes me doubtful that Samsung can outdo the 810 with their 7420.

23. Freecableguy

Posts: 42; Member since: Jul 21, 2014

Mali T760MP6 matches Adreno 420 in most benchmarks (minor difference -5 / +5% - check link below). Also there have been reports from people who have used both models that Exynos delivers a more fluid experience in actual games. Not to mention the fact that Note 4 28nm S805 throttles like crazy after the 1st benchmark run (and gets hotter) while 20nm Exynos fairs a lot better in longer gaming/bench sessions - S805 scores goes down to a ridiculous 12 FPS @ GFXBench T-Rex (Exynos maintains ~21 FPS, check C4ETech YouTube comparison). They could easily fit a lower-clocked T760/T860MP10 in a more mature 20nm planar process or even 14nm FF to match or beat Adreno 430. forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36944492&postc​ount=89

31. livyatan

Posts: 867; Member since: Jun 19, 2013

I see, thanks for the info

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