Samsung Exynos 5250: first dual-core Cortex A15 SoC surfaces on the horizon
1. vijaysivakula (Posts: 161; Member since: 17 Aug 2011)
Way to go Samsung. Show those Apple iDiots and the rest of the world what you can do. Bet Apple will come begging to you for this chip on one of their devices.
6. MySchizoBuddy (Posts: 44; Member since: 23 Aug 2011)
And if that does not happen can the Apple iDiots punch you on the face and break off your weewee.
just making sure the battle lines are drawn.
9. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Apple already uses samsung chips. The A4, A5, and (probably) the A6 are just modified samsung chips. the A4 was a lesser powered hummingbird. The A5 is the exynos but with a better GPU, and since they are going with samsung for the A6, u can bet your booty that it will be a modified 4212 or 5250 chip.
11. ph00ny (Posts: 582; Member since: 26 May 2011)
no it's not
These are all based on ARM design and simply manufactured by Samsung and may include TSMC in some batches of A6
12. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you need to go look up the actual archetecture of the chip. Being based on an ARM design isnt everything. EVERY mobile chip we use right now is based on the same ARM design (with exception to crapdragon), yet they all work incredibly different and produce different amounts of power. Apple uses samsung's chip designs and modifications. This has been well known for a while now. Go google it. :)
When it comes to hardware development, Samsung is king.
13. nastynaps (Posts: 93; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
So remix what's the difference between 32nm vs 28nm process? I presume 28nm is the better way to go.
15. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
even if nothing else changes in chip archetecture, it draws less power because its smaller, and its also faster because energy has to travel less distance in the chip. Smaller is always the way to go with chips. :)
2. shy2papa (Posts: 198; Member since: 23 Jan 2010)
Wow tablets are becoming so powerful netbooks are going to become extinct very soon :)
10. Knicknevin (Posts: 135; Member since: 18 Mar 2011)
Netbooks are already extinct, their time was short lived. How many reports do you hear about the latest netbook these days?
3. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)
Tablet still need a physical keyboard for some tasks like editing a photo and more.
5. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 801; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)
That's where the ASUS Transformer Prime fills the Gap.
4. imkyle (Posts: 969; Member since: 18 Nov 2010)
Samsung if this processor is like the exynos in the galaxy s ii with more power, we will be looking at the number one android producer.
7. robinrisk (unregistered)
Wow, two times the dual core power of an exynos at 1.5 Ghz?
It will blow Tegra3 out of the water then! Even with their fancy quad cores!
17. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
I think it's clear there's much more performance to be squeezed out of dual cores before we all jump on the quad-core bandwagon. First the S4, now this Exynos, and then the OMAP 5.
8. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
wow.. i need to go change my pants.
yea.. i think imma wait now.. lol.
14. kpfirefighter (Posts: 160; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)
I'll take the galaxy note with this chip please! How about making phones and you have the option of putting in different chips?
I mean if you could get the RAZR or the Galaxy SII and the galaxy nexus and have the option to upgrade to this. That would be tits and ass!
16. Rayzin (Posts: 83; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
I hope I can get the SGS3 with this chip in it before the end of the world next year!!!
18. IEatApples (Posts: 66; Member since: 06 Jul 2011)
I cant wait until you can log on a companies website and build your own smartphone, similar to how you build a computer at dell.com
19. skymitch89 (Posts: 1015; Member since: 05 Nov 2010)
I could see this in the GS3 IF it does offer 2x the performance and 4x the graphics. Isn't that what their quad-core is supposed to do as well?
20. samda (Posts: 52; Member since: 28 Nov 2011)
Still way short of Snapdragon s4 that will be out by then.
2.5Ghz quad core 28nm Krait core wipes the floor with this.
21. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
lol, i hate to tell you that the S4 is launching at 1.5ghz, not 2.5ghz.. thats end of cycle. Also, per clock cycle, the exynos has about 30-40% more power. Simply clocking your chip higher doesnt make it more powerful. GHZ does not equate to higher performance.
The S4 is nice compared to the S3, but just like current generation, the exynos is going to wipe the floor with crapdragon. They are talking about a DUAL core putting out as much or more horsepower than a QUAD S4 is supposed to put out. Thats not even talking about the quad exynos.
22. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Stupid question - since both the Exynos 5250 and OMAP 5 will use dual 2 Ghz A15 cores, won\'t their performance be similar? Will it come down to different GPUs, or are those similar too?
36. moosa.mahsoom (Posts: 22; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)
snapdragon 4 uses a new core architecture called Krait.This core architecture is said to be more powerful than the Cortex-A15 architecture. we can only say which is better after we get it in our hands. Don't forget this year 2012 could be revolutionary. we can't say HTC and Qualcomm may make a comeback.
P.S i am not a HTC or qualcomm fanboy.
23. samda (Posts: 52; Member since: 28 Nov 2011)
2.5ghz quad core Snapdragon will be out in q3 -q4 next year. No other manufacturer hasn't even announced anything similar yet.
And sorry but you're really a uber troll with your false case against these chips. lol.
there's nothing wrong with them.
an snapdragon 2 is, by my experience, just as good, if not better, than a hummingbird in practical use. proved in tens of millions of handsets, best single core processor imo.
efficiency that you were spitting at? in some handsets s2 is far more power efficient than hummingbird in galaxy s(super amoled, remember?) phone.
go check battery test for htc titan on gsm arena if you have any questions.
24. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
He\'s not talking about the S2, he\'s talking about the S3 lagging behind the OMAP 4 and Exynos. I don\'t know about calling it the \"crapdragon\", but it definitely lags the competition in performance.
And lest I be called an über-troll myself, I own an S3 phone and I\'m happy with it, but not because it\'s an S3, because I like the rest of the hardware. That\'s why the S2 has sold all those millions - because the phones it\'s in are well-rounded.
25. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
are you serious?? lol. first off, compare apples to apples.
No offence, but you are really barking up the wrong tree about chip knowledge.
The snapdragon S2, aka the scorpion core is better than an S1, but worse than an OMAP or especially the Hummingbird. My hummingbird enabled SGS1 getsa bout 2 days of battery life with moderately heavy usage. Its quadrants are as high or higher than a snapdragon S3, and it scores higher on every 3d test because it has a much better (PowerVR) GPU than either the S2 or the S3.
You want to compare what.. a simplified OS like WP7 against Android battery life as some how proof of concept? Sorry, the world doesnt work like that.
When it comes to single core power.. nothing beats a hummingbird.. even when over clocked.
When it comes to dual core power, nothing beats an exynos.. even when over clocked.
When it comes to what the manufacturers are boasting for the next gen, the exynos STILL wins as they are saying "2x as much power as the previous generation" for the exynos and for the S4.. but the Exynos started with 30% more power to begin with.
Just like we have to say to every iphone person that brings up sales... sales do not equate quality.. Otherwise walmart would be the highest quality vendor in the world. Hummingbird chips are made in house by samsung and shared with noone else in the android world but samsung (and apple but they are not android.. just in case u were about to mention that). Qualcomm chips are mass produced cheap chips for everybody's general use.
Is the S3 a bad chip? No, its not. For most people its a great chip for day to day usage. Is it the best chip? Absolutely NOT.. its the worst dual core chip that android uses right now. In my technogeek world, to quote a dumb movie.. "if your not first, your last".
If your going to bark up my tree and call me a troll and tell me im full of it, back it up with facts and links. If you simply disagree because you enjoy your crapdragon chip, then just say that. It doesnt make me any more or less right or wrong though.
quote your sources. Qualcomm expects a 60% per clock improvement over the S3, and a 50% improvement in GPU power. Guess what. an S3 running at 1.2ghz hits about 2200 Quadrant with 60% power increase makes it 3520. The exynos, Omap, and Apple A5 chips already run at a 50% increase in GPU power compared to the Adreno core in the S3.
Know any chips that already run at around 3400? Oh yea, the exynos at 1.2ghz.
Samsung is promising DOUBLE from 3400. And its also promising 4x the current GPU power (clocked at 1.5ghz, which is higher than an SGS2 anyways) at 2.0ghz. The Snapdragon S4 isnt even in the same room as that kind of power at its promised 2.5ghz.
GHZ isnt an indication of power...
27. Forsaken77 (Posts: 545; Member since: 09 Jun 2011)
Screw you.... You're wrong because I enjoy my crapdragon chip ;)
30. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
much better! :) :) :)
wazzup forsaken :)
26. Atrixboyyy (Posts: 232; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)
lol remix i didnt read ur comment yet (to long and im tired) but you tell'em haha
28. Forsaken77 (Posts: 545; Member since: 09 Jun 2011)
The chips aren't even out yet. You can't state facts about theoretical performance based on what the manufacturer states. They always exaggerate their own products (PR rule #1). I'm not saying you're wrong remix but you do have a thing against Snapdragon and make them seem worse then they are. For 95% of users, even many power users, the Snapdragon chips' performance is more than adequate. To date, meaning chips that are available now, Samsung chips are better but Samsung also over compensates. Because mostly all the processes going on in the phone won't use all the power in the chip. Apps aren't designed that way. They would have to be specifically designed for that chip to take advantage of it to its' fullest potential. Which is why I'm saying that the Snapdragon chip is more than sufficient in real-world use. And what I'm saying doesn't apply to upcoming chips, only to ones out now. A next-gen chip will improve performance drastically. But for example... the difference between the 2 AT&T GS2 phones (regular w/Exynos and Skyrocket w/Snapdragon), the difference in real world performance is so minimal, most wouldn't notice unless you have an actual app running to measure the difference.
29. samda (Posts: 52; Member since: 28 Nov 2011)
so much bias and ignorance surfaced in remixfa's last post.
for example, even adreno 205 isn't so inferior to powerVR540
31. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
is this taco in another fake account??? seriously? get a clue dude. your banned.
Forsaken, I am totally with you on the manufacturers specs. However I was just using BOTH of their projected specs against current real world performance.
As far as the skyrocket and SGS2 thing goes, when your running regular android, u can tell. the skyrocket, like the hercules still has some jaggies when roaming around the front screen where the exynos is as smooth as an iphone. Every comparison says the same thing on that note. Go into 3d performance and the exynos runs away with it.
It may not be as noticeable to some people "today", but most people buy a phone for 2 years+ for their contracts. in 2 years when those apps are all made for dual and quad core chipsets, that snapdragon is going to be severely lacking in noticeable performance.
And again, for most people ,the S3 is sufficient. I am not most people, i am a tech geek with a severe performance hang up. And this geek wants whatever is best. Why get offended when i say crapdragon instead of snapdragon. Unless you have stock in qualcomm, why care what my opinion of it is?
33. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
What about the reverse - what if you were to take the Exynos and run Sense 3.x on it? Would it be as smooth as the SGS 2, or would it stumble a bit too? It's not going to happen of course, as Samsung won't let any other Android manufacturer use its star SoC. Just saying... TouchWiz may just be better suited for speed demons than Sense or Blur.
34. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
If that were true than you would see a huge performance bump when you do nothing to an HTC phone other than remove sense and go stock. While it does get a performance bump, it does not jump it from 2200 quads to 3400 quads. Regardless of OS overlay, the exynos is by far the stronger chip.
32. samda (Posts: 52; Member since: 28 Nov 2011)
Wow you know what? Go run to Samsung and tell them to use Exynos in their 4g flagships, instead of Snapdragon.
There is more to a chip than a benchmark figure.
It's about compromise. In the same sized piece of silicone, one can have higher benchmarks, other has an LTE support. It's a give and take.
Getting it now, genius?
35. k1ng617 (Posts: 238; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)
Will this chip be compatible with Verizon's current LTE network? I really wanted the current gen Exynos, but need to settle for the OMAP4 in the Galaxy Nexus.