Report: MediaTek working on crazy 10- or 12-core processors
1. kent-gaga (Posts: 493; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)
still waiting for their processor which can shoot fullHD video at 240fps
19. RajRicardo (Posts: 384; Member since: 28 Feb 2014)
And 4K video for more than 5 min without frying the damn phone.
2. Felix_Gatto (Posts: 897; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)
I don't care about octa core or above, the difference compared to a quad core SD800/801/805 in real time is negligible. Mediatek should focus more on GPU perfomance instead of adding more useless CPU cores.
3. realjjj (Posts: 361; Member since: 28 Jan 2014)
You have no clue if such a chip even exists but you assume it's for phones. Could be for consoles, server, chromebooks and so on.
You have no idea what cores it would use ,couldbe 4xA57 and 8xA53 or any numbers of combinations on 16nm.
And then it's not just about one app and perf ,it's also about multitasking and power.The little cores in bigLITTLE are there mostly to save power not for perf, but everybody jumps to say that a single app ddoesn't use many cores when there are other factors at play here too.
If they do 12xA53 that's pretty pointless but we have no indication that's what they plan.
We'll have 16ff+ from TSMC soon enough and if there is no new core from ARM in time, people might have to just add more cores.
12. brrunopt (Posts: 742; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)
Mediaket never used the High end version (AFAIK) , they use Cortex A7 and now the A53 ..
Those 12 cores would be 12 A53 cores...
26. nokia12 (Posts: 464; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)
they have used Cortex A17 in Mt6595 ,
it performs similar to SD 801/805 in CPU
20. RajRicardo (Posts: 384; Member since: 28 Feb 2014)
Absolutely right. Nvidia's latest chip uses A57 and A53 cores which outputs 1 Teraflops of compting power. That's some kickas* power.
4. Max_Boost (Posts: 101; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)
7. Felix_Gatto (Posts: 897; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)
The core wars have already begun in 2013 when Samsung introduced the pseudo octa core E5410 that inspires Mediatek to make a pure octa core CPU. This war must be stopped because GPU does matter more than CPU, as long the CPU is a fast quad core.
6. Felix_Gatto (Posts: 897; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)
Doing a heavy real time multitasking on a phone is not something convenient, as the small display can't show many running apps, so octa core CPU is a waste on a smartphone. Even on a tablet, a quad core SD800/801/805 are proved to be capable enough to handle so many apps running at once. Octa core and big.LITTLE are just a marketing strategy to attract buyers.
8. DillWeed (Posts: 149; Member since: 14 Mar 2014)
these could be used for servers and specific tasks, such as sensors on a drone.
24. aksa123 (Posts: 319; Member since: 30 Jan 2014)
Lol that's not why ppl buy phones. Those tasks are too specific for general consumers.
9. cpaixao (Posts: 15; Member since: 07 Jan 2015)
Qualcom is not that good at all. MediaTek chips are able to be much faster than qualcom chipsets, as you see on following:
MediaTek MT6595 8-core
sanpdragon 615 8-core (it eat dust)
15. Felix_Gatto (Posts: 897; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)
Qualcomm have made a stupid decision of adding 4 more useless A53 CPU in 615 instead of increasing GPU perfomance.
16. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1514; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
I don't think comparing the top of the line MediaTek chipset to one of the middle ground Snapdragons chips is a fair comparison...
Mediatek MT6595> 4 A17 + 4 A7
SD 615> 8 A53: 4x 1.7GHz plus 4x 1.0GHz cores
There is no point comparing both of them.
Mediatek MT6595 should be compared to SD801/805, not 615.
17. Felix_Gatto (Posts: 897; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)
But in GPU perfomance, the MT6595 isn't even comparable to SD800.
23. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1514; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
That's my point, if you compare what you should the Mediatek SoCs are still lacking.
What you should not do is to take the best SoC of one company and compare it against a middle tear one of the other company.
25. cpaixao (Posts: 15; Member since: 07 Jan 2015)
Okay, this is not the highest level soc from mediatek, in first place. Then you can now ask for whatever qualcom chipset so we can make a 'fair' comparison. Tell one devece which has the best qualcom chipset up to now, then we compare to mediatek chipsets.
28. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1514; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
SD805, Galaxy Note 4 with Qualcomm version against any phone with Mediatek SoC.
And please use real benchmarks, not Antutu or Quadrant
30. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1514; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
And what's in our opinion the highest level soc for Mediatek?
Just to prove you wrong.
27. nokia12 (Posts: 464; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)
nope you are wrong here.. comparison should always be made for the same price..
sure qualcomm top end can beat mediatek top end but you'll be paying double the price for that ... and that's almost 200-300 $ more ( excluding companies that sell on cost to cost basis eg -xiaomi )
qualcmm sucks actually compared to mediatek..
for same price
mt6732 kicks ass of SD 210/410
mt6752 kicks ass of Sd 610/SD 615
Mt6795/6595 kicks ass of SD 615
price to performance ratio is the deciding factor always .. it doesn't matter whether its a company's high end product or a low end product .. what matters is how much value a user is getting and what is the competition offering,,
29. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1514; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
I'm unaware of the prices so I won't discuss that.
But I seriously doubt the prices/pairing you use is right as then all the OEMs must be dumb as most of them choose Qualcomm over Mediatek. Which would not be the case if you were right.
Moreover, price/performance is not the only factor, there is alos performance/watt and there is one more:
What when there are no competitors because you have something the others can't provide? That's the case for the high end Qualcomm chips, as they have no real competitors because the LTE bands and the higher performance than any other SoC in Mediatek.
31. nokia12 (Posts: 464; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)
prices are pretty much in approx range as what i stated .. even if the difference is not that big , still mediatek undercuts Snapdragon
OEMs use to go for Snapdragon blindly because mediatek used to be pretty closed source .. so it was difficult for manufacturers to bring update
but things have changed now .. oems like sony and htc are now going for Mediatek in order to keep their costs low as mediatek is becoming more open now and releasing source..
why do you think google used Mediatek instead of snapdragon as their partner for Android One project ? to give more performance to users at a cheaper price.. snapdragon at that time was giving dual core cortex A7 CPU at that price.. while mediatek was giving quad core Cortex A7
yes in high end its pretty much monopoly .. but i think Snapadragon will face heat this year from Intel .. if they delay SD810
37. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1514; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
It will fill the heat from Mediatek too, the MT6595 is quite a good competitor of the SD801, and the SD805 only provides an improved GPU.
10. Shubham412302 (Posts: 430; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)
''Obviously, considering the fact that many apps are unable to take advantage of even four cores, let alone ten or twelve"
who says only one app has to use all 12 cores
11. redmd (Posts: 1239; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
Bring it on! Us consumers wins regardless of their argument.
21. balu25int (Posts: 10; Member since: 11 Dec 2014)
Cool, a dual core device used to give one day of battery backup. Then a quad core device with better battery gives less than a day of backup. I'm seriously scared to opt for octa core device. Now, a phone with 12 cores, crazy!
22. vuyonc (Posts: 987; Member since: 24 Feb 2014)
Ooooooor they could try out a microarchitecture (does it cost too much?). Or move down to 20nm like everyone else. Beefing up the Cortex A53 some way might work.
32. gaara6775 (Posts: 738; Member since: 20 May 2014)
Put more thoughts in improving battery life & how to charge it in less time. Fu*k this core. Don't need this as$holes.
33. fzacek (Posts: 2486; Member since: 26 Jan 2014)
No matter what MediaTek does, Qualcomm's processors will always beat it out...
34. strudelz100 (Posts: 644; Member since: 20 Aug 2014)
Who cares! Both are junk processor makers from here on out.
Stock ARM designs are coming out of ALL Android chip makers next year. Zero CUSTOM designs. Qualcomm is the biggest failure of all by not being able to produce another Custom ARM Core in over 3 years.
Quad core already caused excess heat and fast throttling in all performance models. Apple created a powerful dual-core (Again) that performs better, and NEVER throttles or clocks down from excess heat.
big.Little doesn't work folks. Its a stop-gap for dumb chip makers who have the WRONG PHILOSOPHY about how mobile processing works.
35. guest (Posts: 338; Member since: 13 Jun 2012)
Wait until 14nm Broxton comes out. Zenphone 2 already proves Intel is starting to change the game. Snapdragon 805 performance in a $200 phone with a 5.5" 300+ PPI display and an option to bump up to 4 go of ram on last gen 22nm. Mediatek and Qualcomm are going to have a hard time competing on older fab processes once Broxton rolls out.
36. Drsarcastic (Posts: 131; Member since: 23 Jul 2014)
The AMD approach. This will crash and burn.