Apple testing carriers if their LTE networks are good enough for the iPhone 5, not the other way around
This info comes courtesy of the spokesperson of carrier Swisscom, who has confirmed that Apple only activates the 4G LTE connectivity features of the iPhone 5 once it has ensured that the network is up to the task. The result of this is that Swisscom, which has recently launched its 4G network, wasn't able to activate 4G on the iPhone 5 right away, because Apple had to finish its testing first. This practice is surely annoying the carriers around the world, but it looks like Apple is in the position to do it. Of course, Apple is doing this for its own good (and for its customers' good), but we can imagine that if we were a carrier, we'd probably want to punch Apple in the face for doing this to us! On the other hand, if you are a carrier, Apple is probably better than no-Apple, so we guess it's a necessary evil.
1. Reluctant_Human (Posts: 867; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
If it cared about service and speed then why was it on AT&T so many years?
7. asulect (Posts: 131; Member since: 27 Aug 2012)
That's because Apple was not in a position where it could just tell AT&T to lift its skirt up so Apple can peep under it when the first or the second generation of iphones released.
54. MeoCao (unregistered)
For a time let's forget about Apple's evils and praise Apple for its position to protect interests of its customers.
If every OEM can do the same the winners are the consumers.
56. Nadr1212 (Posts: 741; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)
I want to punch Apple in the face all the time
35. darkkjedii (Posts: 13802; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
They went to Verizon first, and were told no. So AT&T took the chance and had exclusivity for years. Do a little research, it goes a long way.
49. lsutigers (Posts: 789; Member since: 08 Mar 2009)
If it was all about speed then back in 2007 Sprint had the fastest mobile broadband network. The whole thing about the iPhone being pitched to Verizon first is a rumor. By all accounts, the phone was offered to and by Cingular, which later became AT&T.
55. MeoCao (unregistered)
We must thank Verizon for that, then Verizon replied Apple with its Droid brand and Android took off.
Well done Verizon.
58. Reluctant_Human (Posts: 867; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
dearkjedi I am well aware of the turn of events that led to that exclusity deal. Here some research I did for you so you can understand my comment:
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60. troutsy (Posts: 287; Member since: 17 Feb 2012)
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4. ajac09 (Posts: 1370; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
completely false. They have there phone on Sprints network when it was just 3g with the iphone 4s (and now the 5) and lte is not as wide as 3g and 3g on sprint SUCKS. (and I know this is about 4g lte but if they test LTE they should test ALL aspects of the phone not just lte)
19. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
there is no official iphone 3G/3GS for sprint, but I believe that there is or has been a free iphone 4 for sprint out there. Of course, the data speeds are terrible.
22. rcrider4 (Posts: 118; Member since: 14 Nov 2011)
I happen to have an iPhone on Sprint, and I know 4 other people that also do. I happen to love Sprint. Yes, it may have less coverage, but I think people exaggerate how much less it is. I still get full bars almost everywhere and the data speeds aren't bad. I can load up pretty much anything I want to. And with the cheaper plans and unlimited data, it was a perfect fit for me. Now stop making such stupid and uninformed (and quite frankly, poorly typed. Did you even graduate middle school?) comments and leave your misinformed opinions to yourself.
24. simplyj (Posts: 404; Member since: 23 Dec 2009)
Poorly typed, yes. Misinformed, no.
Everyone knows that Sprint's data speeds fall behind the other big three.
26. downphoenix (Posts: 2553; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
That may be true but its still sufficient for a lot of people and can handle various data based apps just fine. I'd rather have slowish data than have my data go fast, both in speed and the amount I am allowed to use for the month. AT&T and Verizon data is like a ferrari with a 2 gallon gas tank. It'll get you there fast but wont get you far.
50. lsutigers (Posts: 789; Member since: 08 Mar 2009)
Sprint had some issues with 3G data speeds in the past, just as AT&T did when they introduced the iPhone, except AT&T had issues with dropped voice calls which Sprint hasn't had and their coverage is very good.
The reality is that Sprint is re-building and upgrading it's networks from the ground up, nationwide. Data speeds with WiMAX were and still are good in most areas except coverage is somewhat limited. Once they made the switch to LTE, speeds have increased tremendously, including 3G speeds which will increase exponentially with the addition of the Nextel spectrum.
5. Captain_Doug (Posts: 833; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
Apple, I don't like you. I just don't. We couldn't ever be friends.
6. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6877; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
Apple will always be the bad company everyone hates. and why the hell are they testing their phones on LTE when its already availble? This is just stupid.
8. asulect (Posts: 131; Member since: 27 Aug 2012)
I would not say always. There was a time when Microsoft was in the same position too. Now that Microsoft is an underdog, people are starting to root for it again.
If Apple falls and Samsung takes over, I am pretty sure it will become a bad company everyone hates just like Apple. And people will start rooting for Apple again. American just loves rooting for underdogs.
39. 14545 (Posts: 1198; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
I would say samsung is a good company now. Just better than the alternatives. And still better than apple. If apple falls again, I think it will be their last hoorah. The only real "innovative" idea they ever really had was the "iPod". People loved it, then because it became a household name, and a status symbol, people had to have the iPhone. When the iDevices stop being a status symbols, apple will die. They really offer nothing in the way of innovation and frankly they are just too stubborn to try and make something "different."
27. Aeires (unregistered)
New networks. There's still a lot of networks that don't carry the iPhone and not all have LTE, or are just getting it.
37. 14545 (Posts: 1198; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Actually, this is brilliant on their part. Honestly, if more OEM's did this, we probably would have the issues we have now with getting updates. Screw the carriers, they are DUMBPIPES. That is where they belong. They should not be adding crap(bloatware) to the phones, and they should not be forcing OEM's to lock bootloaders and the like. THEY SHOULD STAY THE HE77 OUT OF THE SOFTWARE BUSINESS. We don't need them screwing up the phones anymore than they already have.
PS, I hate apple. But I respect them on this.
9. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3062; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
Your highness, whilst thou checkest the LTE network...
Should not we re-order the earth according to the first order of iMaps??? Sounds mighty conquering!!
10. McLTE (Posts: 719; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
This is one area which I can appreciate Apple.
I like how they do NOT allow the carriers to bully them around and make crazy demands.. like.. allowing Verizon to put their logo on the Note2 home button.. WTF!!!
I would like other manufacturers (and google) to get a little bit stronger with the carriers. I'd would help with more Verizon issues like the Nexus being multiple updates behind. That's just WRONG.
16. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5975; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
I have to agree with you. This is an example where Apple is using its leverage to dictate terms to carriers that customers would never be able to do. Additional examples that immediately come to mind:
1. Price subsidy - $199 on contract where flagship Android phones are pushing the $249 and $299 territory.
2. Voice mail service - visual voice mail (at least on VZW) which is an upgrade ($3 or $4 per month?) for Android phones.
3. Previously mentioned branding. Although the VZW logo on the Note IIs home button isn't offensive to me, it is a low key grey (as opposed to say, a backlit red).
If Apple can force a minimum network capacity requirement on carriers as a condition for carrying the iPhone, I am all for that, cause all customers with LTE phones on the carrier benefit. This is one time where I have to give props to Apple.
20. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
AT&T offers free visual voicemail for androids and you can just get a free app on the Play store.
33. darkkjedii (Posts: 13802; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
He was talking about Verizon not AT&T or android. Re read his comment.
34. darkkjedii (Posts: 13802; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Good post Doug. This is the droid x Doug I'm used to seeing.
29. Aeires (unregistered)
I think this is a good move by Apple. Brand image is important to them, the last thing they need is people complaining about their phones not working, only to find out it's network related.
People complaining don't get it, every phone OEM would be better off if they did this, but carriers push them around too much. I'd love to see the day when all the big dogs in the community have more power to keep their phones from being modified by carriers.
41. laheelahee (Posts: 213; Member since: 09 Apr 2012)
nice! i was just going to write about the Note2 home button.. lol
11. toiletcleaner (Posts: 221; Member since: 10 Oct 2012)
they are just making time, so they can put the LTE on the 5S, the new big think will be there for apple. of course the apple fans will be waiting for that one to.
23. rcrider4 (Posts: 118; Member since: 14 Nov 2011)
Why would they need to wait for the 5S? The 5 already has LTE.
13. mydi.maus (unregistered)
good apple looking for good carrier..
14. bucky (Posts: 1627; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
Nothing wrong with this. Maybe others should do this too. Puts a bit of pressure on the networks for once. Slow Internet makes any phone appear slower.
15. redmd (Posts: 960; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
2 years from now Apple may not be able to do the same.
17. zekes (Posts: 217; Member since: 14 Aug 2012)
Some of you guys are missing the whole point of the testing customer satisfaction for 1 ea of use and a quality product because a phone is nothing
21. winddroid (Posts: 13; Member since: 13 Oct 2012)
This kind of thinking has left users of the 4S to be stuck without LTE. If a network doesn't have robust LTE months before iPhone launch doesn't mean customers couldnt benefit from LTE during the life of the phone. In 2014 the only customers using 3G on Verizon will be Apple users. How is this good?
32. Aeires (unregistered)
What they should do is adapt the phone like the N4, it has a LTE chip in it, just isn't going to be used any time soon. In Apple's case, all they need do is push an update to activate it. It's extra cost but the increase in customer base would be worth it.
25. luis85 (Posts: 2; Member since: 30 Nov 2012)
Wow... i'm from Mexico, and our biggest carrier, Telcel, has just launched his LTE service. Iphone 5 is out already but we CAN'T use LTE service... carrier says we'll be able to use it until January... but after reading this article, i guess we're yet to see if the mexican service is up to the task... or to apple requirements... c'mon we will not beg apple to let us use LTE on i devices... they are not as good. Better buy a Samsung, Moto or HTC device.
28. Omarc07 (Posts: 282; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
@ Luis entonces el iPhone 5 no vs a servir con LTE en Mexico con telcel ??? Ouch entonces me voy a tener que comprar el razr cuando vaya al df en 2 semanas Porque me an dicho que ese Si funciona con LTe de telcel ..
30. luis85 (Posts: 2; Member since: 30 Nov 2012)
Por ahora no funciona, tenemos que esperar la resolucion de apple al respecto. Supuestamente hasta 2013 autorizarian el servicio. Y si, el razr si funciona y bastante bien. Ademas vienen el Sony Xperia ion, Samsung Galaxy S3 y Note 2 para los proximos meses...
40. Omarc07 (Posts: 282; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
Ok thanks ill just buy the razr or xperia ion..
31. gazmatic (Posts: 628; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)
meanwhile lumia 920 has penta LTE... screw apple
36. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
why screw apple? seriously go hate on a differant site
38. remixfa (Posts: 14251; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
no apple is better.
Less subsidies mean cheaper service for all. Everyone pays when Apple is on board, if you buy an iphone or not.
42. MorePhonesThanNeeded (Posts: 645; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
Hold on isn't this what other OEM's do when they test their phone on the network before sending it to the carrier in working order? Apple are actually working back ass wards, see they release the phone and make sales but are still testing the network while the phone are in the hands of the customers? To see if LTE is up to their standards, talk about being full of oneself, I see this as pure posturing on Apple's part. Who releases a phone then wants to tell you that the top feature isn't available until you say so...what? Keep your phone, I'll get something that does what it says from the moment it fire it up.
Ahh as long as it's cool to own, this sort of stuff will continue. One day we will all be free o carrier oppression and choose our phones first and network second.
43. CellieCell (Posts: 93; Member since: 14 Apr 2010)
this is why u don't like Apple. they always hold back, cause ppl hundreds of dollars, blame user's that they're holding the phone the wrong way, take away solid working apps (maps), sues everyone, and now this.....
47. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
And in CHINA Apple is happy being allowed to be on #3 without testing i guess ... in fact it was the chinese doing all the testin g there i guess :D
48. phil2n (Posts: 478; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
Ray says its a necessary evil .. ahahaha +1 for you Ray
61. DanMarino13 (Posts: 63; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
Too much power for one mediocre mobile device manufacturer.