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Apple might need to reveal iPad sales to prove Samsung tablets have hurt them

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Apple might need to reveal iPad sales to prove Samsung tablets have hurt them
Apple has managed to fight Samsung pretty successfully in Germany as we’ve seen recently, but getting an injunction on Samsung sales in the Land Down Under might prove harder as an Australian court may need to have Apple reveal sales figures for its iPad in the US and the UK. The data would help Apple better reason its case in court, while otherwise Apple’s claims would remain without any factual weight, Federal Court Justice Annabelle Bennett noted in Sydney Federal Court.

“Unless Apple puts on evidence showing the impact in the U.S. or U.K., I can’t draw any positive assumptions,” Bennett stressed.

At the same time, the judge doesn’t force Cupertino to unveil sales figures and denied Samsung’s plea for that.

Samsung represented by its lawyer Neil Murray made the opposite case saying that if people want an Android product, they will buy it. The huge battle has grown to downright ridiculous as Samsung is making a point that Apple has stolen its iPad design (pictured above) from the 1969 Stanley Kubrick movie “2001: A Space Odyssey.”

The latest victim of the Apple Samsung legal boxing match was the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7, which got unveiled at IFA and then quickly removed from the stands as if the announcement never happened. What’s your take on this Australian development and which company are you siding with?

source: Bloomberg via CNET

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posted on 06 Sep 2011, 08:12 20

1. remixfa (Posts: 14175; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


apple needs to get over themselves. compete with ideas or get out of the race.

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 08:57 12

7. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 804; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)


Soon Apple might change their company's motto to " If you cant beat them(in sales and innovation), sue them"

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 10:05 13

14. firebo14 (Posts: 77; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)


Apple's motto:

"Fail to innovate, litigate!"

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 12:04 6

19. remixfa (Posts: 14175; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


love it. I heard it in an "Al Sharpton" voice.. lol

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:31

48. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Well they have. But then came along the copycats who can't seem to come up with their own ideas.

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 08:14 8

2. JayLeBlanc (Posts: 33; Member since: 16 May 2011)


Um, its 2001: A Space Odyssey, not 2012: A Space Odyssey. Wow.

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 08:51 3

5. Victor.H (Posts: 462; Member since: 27 May 2011)


A mistake of an apocalyptical significance, if we are to believe the Mayans. Thanks!

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 12:05 2

20. remixfa (Posts: 14175; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


someone call John Cusack!!

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 08:20 11

3. android_hitman (Posts: 672; Member since: 07 Jul 2010)


apple needs to learn how to loose .. not go running to mommy(the court) and cry.

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 09:48

10. ibap (Posts: 711; Member since: 09 Sep 2009)


Did you mean lose?

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:32

49. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Exactly. Apple should just use their billions to nuke the competition instead of going through the legal process. I totally agree with you :)

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 08:32 10

4. wauwab (unregistered)


i bought a MacBook Pro just not long ago, because I liked Apple and their products. In light of their proposterous recent compeitive behaviour I refuse to sympatize with Apple in its design game. They're going to lose all my sympathies if they go on like this. Period.

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:33

50. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Oh my, Apple stocks will fall if they lose your sympathy, hahahahaha.

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 08:56 8

6. Slammer (Posts: 1125; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)


If Samsung is being sued for "hurting Apple's sales", then Nokia and RIM should be suing Apple for the same thing.

I think we all know the intent for Apple to seek an injunction, but the operative wording used, is just plain childish.

John B.

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 11:30 6

17. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


With ALL the money Apple is making off the iPhone and iPad...I dont think they can prove Samsung is hurting them financially.

Didnt Apple set record sales with the iPhone 4 last year....despite the Galaxy S1 selling so many phones last year too?

Samsung and HTC made huge profits last year...and Apple STILL made huge profits themselves.

Apple just needs to give it a rest.

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 21:26 2

42. cheetah2k (Posts: 869; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)


Bang on. I remember reading somewhere that those purchasing Android devices are actually wanting an Android device....

So lemme get this right.... for Apple's complaint to ring true, Apple makes the assumption that every individual person hunting for a tablet is getting in their car, thinking only that they want to go to their local tech shop to ONLY buy an iPad.

But then by chance, the individual gets to the shop and has the opportunity to have a play, trial and compare the iPad to the Galaxy Tab 10.1 - and by chance the individual selects the Samsung 10.1 Tablet because they like it - Apple is then being screwed??

So Riddle me this - SINCE WHEN THE f**k DID APPLE BELIEVE THEY HAVE CONTROL THE OVER THE MINDS, DECISIONS AND SPENDING HABITS OF EVERY INDIVIDUAL ON THE f**kING PLANET???????????????????

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 23:37 1

43. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


"So Riddle me this - SINCE WHEN THE f**k DID APPLE BELIEVE THEY HAVE CONTROL OVER THE MINDS, DECISIONS AND SPENDING HABITS OF EVERY INDIVIDUAL ON THE f**kING PLANET???????????????????"

They probably have employees hanging out in online forums...lol If I worked for Apple and saw some of the comments online...I would think it too.

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:35

51. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@slammer. But you see Apple did hurt Nokia's sales figures, but not because Apple produced a phone in 2007 looking like the N95. That's what your puny brain is not seeing :)

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 09:19 6

8. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)


So if someone hurts apple they go to cry to every courthouse in the world ?

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:37

52. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


But of course. That's the legal way of settling disputes. But I actually prefer Apple hiring hitmen and just kill all of the competition :)

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 09:31 9

9. irvinkeith (Posts: 55; Member since: 27 Jan 2010)


I'm the biggest apple fanboy but I honestly would like for them to lose some of the these lawsuits so they would have to choice but come up with BRAND NEW ideas and it would be a win win for Apple and Customers.

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 09:50 7

11. ibap (Posts: 711; Member since: 09 Sep 2009)


We should be glad Ford didn't sue anyone making something with 4 wheels and a frame. If it had been Apple, they would have claimed to have invented the wheel and sought exclusivity.

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:39

53. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@ibap. There are some things that you cannot claim a patent on, such as wheels. You need to go learn more about how patents work before you post silly comments.

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 09:56 4

12. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6740; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)


Cause Samsung shows they can beat APPLE at their own sales.

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:39

54. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


By copying :)

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 10:04 8

13. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4433; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Look this is all just silly. I feel like Apple just needs to make a better product & that is it. IF anyone can confuse an Apple iPad to a Samsung tablet, they are just stupid beyond any comprehension. Let Apple & Samsung battle in the innovation arena, not in the court house. This NEEDS to stop!

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:41

55. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


You think that way because you do not want the copying to stop.

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 10:08 3

15. Firedrops (Posts: 215; Member since: 06 Sep 2011)


someone please stifle this crybaby of a rip-off company...

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 10:18 2

16. Phullofphil (Posts: 801; Member since: 10 Feb 2009)


I understand how annoying itbis how apple is suing all the time. And just for the record I have an iPhone and android phones. I love samsung branded phones and apples. Also like motorola. That being said you have to admit samsung products are following the design of apples stuff. I think apple is in the right to try and protect everything that they have fought for. I personally don't think that the way stuff looks and acts for the most part should be able to be pattented. And I mean for the most part. I think how it works mechanically should be. I am an American and for the most part I gonna side with the American company(even though apple is Mosley outsourced and that in itself is kinda wrong) we are talking billions of dollars her over the years so I do think there is merit to al this bull crap. And it won't stop. It's a big game. All companies do it I believe. I also think that most know what they are doing and even expect to get sued and pay some money. As long as there are profits

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 12:12 2

22. ilia1986 (unregistered)


This isn't "expect to get sued and pay some money". This is freaking "Get sued and are forced to remove their products from the freaking shelves until further notice". And who gets to suffer? That's right - the customers.

Besides Apple did not invent the Tablet, or the smartphone or the capacitive touchscreen or anything like that. They might have patented all of this crap - but been only successful in doing so due to the incredibly stupid EU patent system.

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:44

56. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


It's not Apple's invention that they stole. It's Apple's innovation and ideas that they stole. Show me just one article that Apple claimed to have invented any of those technologies that you have stated. Stop twisting stories to make Apple look bad.

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 11:43

18. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)


Does Apple really think that if someone in Germany, the Netherlands, or Australia, who likes Android and the Galaxy design, after being c*ck blocked by Apple from getting the device they wanted will go and buy an iDiotPhone? From reading just this one site I can see Apple hurting their public opinion rather then helping......everyone except the sheep that is.

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 12:07 2

21. remixfa (Posts: 14175; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


If i were trying to buy a product and it got banned by another country, I would definately boycott the company that banned it... especially since teh ban is basically on a bar napkin drawing that isnt in proper scale.

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 12:13 1

23. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Hell for all we know, that napkin was used beforehand to wash SJs potential children off the mattress sheets.

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 12:20 1

24. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)


no way he shoots blanks and has never been with a woman he didn't pay for and need to use 3 condoms with

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 13:02 1

25. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Another fandroid cluster****. You losers have no life.

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 13:40 4

26. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)


Let me guess it took you a whole hour to come up with that intelligent response.

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 02:29

46. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 804; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)


LOL :-D

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 15:46

57. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


No matter how intelligent his response would be, android fanboys will never listen anyway. You android fanboys have twisted mentalities.

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 20:52

58. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


You got alot of nerve to talk about someone having twisted mentalities....

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 13:41 3

27. remixfa (Posts: 14175; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


and yet here you are. I troll between customers at work to aleviate boredom. Whats your excuse? :)

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 14:35 1

28. ilia1986 (unregistered)


I am a disgruntled iPhone 4 user. What's your excuse, taco?

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 14:54 2

29. s (unregistered)


i m bored out of mind thats why i m here but yet here you are

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 18:29 2

35. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


And yet here you are responding to these folks with no life....

Where's your life?

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 15:30

30. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


I don't troll

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 15:38 3

31. zach44 (Posts: 22; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Anything involving apple there is a post from you... Your the one name everyone knows and hates on this site. Your the definition of a troll

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 16:53

33. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


I post on Apple articles because I use Apple products. You fandroids post on Apple articles not to having a discussion but to talk crap. You guys are the trolls. You just get mad because I call you out on it.

We have posts such as iphone isn't competitive, it sucks, it's outdated blah blah blah. Then when there's good news about Apple you all swarm in and try to make stuff up why the story isn't legit such as the safari browser dominating mobile browsers.


You're all pathetic. I could care less about android because I'm satisfied with my iPhone. If android ever steps it up I'd get an android.

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 20:54 4

41. remixfa (Posts: 14175; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Last I checked, this article was about Apple AND Samsung, so it involves BOTH groups.. what a dumb iDiot.. lol

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 00:27

44. ilia1986 (unregistered)


taco you could care less about Android because Google didn't yet ban the iPad and the iPhone in the freaking US! Guess what - your stupid fruit company banned the Galaxy Tabs in Europe! Maybe that's part of the reason people who are not Apple customers - talk so much about Apple, you dumb ignorant troll.

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 20:32 3

40. remixfa (Posts: 14175; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


you are the very definition of "troll".

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 15:41 2

32. LolTroll (unregistered)


"Another fandroid cluster****. You losers have no life."

^Sounds pretty troll to me....
troll troll troll troooooooooooll, don't wanna walk on your bridge. xD

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 17:53

34. ihatelie (unregistered)


Has Apple moved from IT business to lawyering business?

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 18:37 1

36. Web (unregistered)


Apple is just turning into a bad corporation which I believe is against their core values, remember that stole from Xerox in the beginning. Obviously the Samsung product is far better and hence the dictatorship like attitude by Apple, you can only by an iPad and that is it, one size fits all, this sounds a bit like communism to me.

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 19:35 1

37. Lwazi_N (Posts: 205; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)


Of course the Apple tablets are losing market share but that cannot all be attributed to Samsung's presence. Tablets like the Asus eee Pad and Transformer have been performing reasonably well. And the Playbook did take a number of customers. So extrapolated data cannot be all too correct as there are many unknowns in this formula.

posted on 06 Sep 2011, 20:18

39. Iphone technology (unregistered)


Apple just see samsung as a challenge to get through sences samsung is basically taken over with there good android phones which i personally think that the androids phones can do a little more then what an ipod or iphone can sences you can customize everything so the android devices are kinda taking the lee and run with it making alot of money but there is no need to said that they are steeling there devices identity because if it was so thrn all thr companies would be charging and going to court with each other yet the only company doing that is apple which kinda makes them look bad and self- fish they dont want no rivals but thats just how it is if you invented something too good to be true then the other companies will
Eventually loose money so what they will do is autsmart the other company just like the android devices are with the iphone if you put a motorola photon and an iphone 4 you will have to think more then 5 times wish one your going to pick sences they both so good and guess what i bet the iphone 5 its going to have a 4.3 inch screen and then samsung can take them to court for steeling one of the best desigh which is the screen size but samsung isn going to do that all they going to do is to make another devices that they think will aut smart aut ran and auttake the iphone thats just how it is apple welcome to the challenge were all companies were when you didn even had an iphone made yet

posted on 07 Sep 2011, 07:35

47. gadget_lover (Posts: 6; Member since: 30 Jun 2009)


There isnt much to add to previous comments. Basically, the general feel is that Apple is wrong with this attitude. However, what I can not understand, is why the court rulings are in favour of Apple and against Samsung!!!!

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