Adobe officially pulls the plug on Flash for mobile, focusing on HTML5
1. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)
welcome HTML5. thanx adobe for a wonderful experience.
52. NVPMOTHAF (Posts: 78; Member since: 28 Sep 2011)
Just like Steve Jobs said when interviewed as to why he hasn't adapted flash in his IOS the future of browsers is HTML5. What do you know, he was right again.
2. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
and lets be clear.
no longer adding new features and no longer supported or used are 2 different things. Its still on the most popular mobile OS in the world and isnt going anywhere any time soon.
4. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)
you r absolutely right
55. jherz6 (Posts: 215; Member since: 23 May 2008)
So very true however I received a ota update yesterday for my droid bionic. So does that really mean its no longer being supported?
3. CreeDiddy (Posts: 203; Member since: 04 Nov 2011)
Steve Jobs already predicted the fate of Adobe. Shame on them for being naive. Give credit to a man that knows his technology.
8. drahmad (Posts: 478; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)
steve banned it for some other reason. and that was: developers were creating apps with flash rather than iOS SDK that was harmful for them...
13. tacohunter (Posts: 408; Member since: 06 Nov 2011)
First there are webbrowser apps on the apple app store. That do support flash. Skyfire for example, etc.
Second don't post about an os that you don't know. It's just what you think that the reason might be.
17. robinrisk (unregistered)
So you can actually see websites with flash on the iPhone with a 3rd party app? Did not know that.
38. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
yea, they get around the no flash thing by feeding it through their central server and replaying it on the website your looking at as an html5 code, if i remember correctly. it works.. just not always that well.
6. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3515; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Flash is still great. I love the web experience on Android as opposed to iOS & WP7.5. It's good that Adobe is moving to the new standard HTML5 so kudos to them. This will usher a new & exciting era in web surfing. Adobe will be a leader in HTML5 so they are not going anywhere!
7. rendHELL (Posts: 304; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)
damn right they are staying... some people doesnt understand what is goin on... zzzz.... -_-
22. rockstarlive (Posts: 307; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Its great while it lasted. It only affects mobile devices, at least I could still get my flash on PC.
10. gallitoking (Posts: 4630; Member since: 17 May 2011)
the world will be better without flash....
15. tacohunter (Posts: 408; Member since: 06 Nov 2011)
On mobile devices, yes. But on Pc it's still great.
29. Paden (Posts: 262; Member since: 07 Jul 2011)
I say get rid of it all around. It hogs resources and it pointless anymore.
32. denney (Posts: 98; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
Actually it sucks on PCs too. The problem with flash is that it is a 3rd party software application made for web distribution. The only way to play flash content is to utilize flash player, that used to be a vital tool when it came to online games, ads, web apps, and animations, but now the primary functional uses of flash are being replaced by the inherent functions in HTML5. Not to mention, data in HTML5 can be read by search engines, once it is utilized on a broader scale, it is going to drastically improve search functionalities web-wide.
49. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 627; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
1) Flash needs plugin as a 3rd party standard, but it's still a standard, you can't just discredit something that is used all across the web. Except if you are Steve Jobs that has God-like properties on global technological world.
2) Flash can be impressive tool regarding both aesthetics, functionality and speed. There are number of Flashed-based web pages that run faster and more efficient than on HTML-based standards - with all wide-spread features of search and database management. The fact that tehere is a lot of junk out there in terms of badly programmed Flash sites, doesn't mean it's Adobe's fault, and especially doesn't mean that Adobe should give up on it completely, and they will because Steve Jobs wasn't satisfied that Internet isn't optimized for iPhone.
53. NVPMOTHAF (Posts: 78; Member since: 28 Sep 2011)
The start is in mobile phones, but soon, the entire internet will use HTML5.
12. snowgator (Posts: 3159; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Windows was all in on HTML5 with the development of Mango and looks smart for not wasting extra time pushing Flash players out with the update. I can remember quite a back and forth about that with the release of Mango, but the point was Microsoft felt HTML5 was the future of the web tech and gambled on it.
However, there is Flash content everywhere on the web, and right now there is only one OS that supports it on the Smartphone experience. Adobe moving to a different tech doesn't mean that Android wasn't always ahead of the curve and the most advanced ecosystem out there. This is a small concilation victory to those OS's without it. Android user's and Google can always claim the real victory on this front. At least in my humble, unimportant opinion.
14. downphoenix (Posts: 2232; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
looks like Apple's tight strangehold on preventing Flash from going on the iPhone has paid off for Apple. Its a shame Adobe had buckled liek that, they should have played dirty in return by maybe limited exclusivity or true exclusivity for their photoshop and premier software for windows and not mac, that would have caused a lot of graphics artists, etc. to drop mac in a flash :)
16. Sniggly (Posts: 6490; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Flash isn't dead, it just won't see any future feature updates after this last one on phones.
Being able to play flash content in browser is still awesome.
30. Paden (Posts: 262; Member since: 07 Jul 2011)
Flash is a cool feature to have on a phone... However, when the updates stop rolling in people slowly stop developing for it, phones stop getting it, and it slowly slips into the background. All over time of course.
This is Adobes way of sending Flash out to pasture.
40. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
phones are not going to stop getting it. Its still going to come with every android, which means its still going to increase in market share every year until something stops the android invasion.
easy thing to ponder.. maybe they just dont think they can do much more with the mobile platform at this point. It works pretty darn well as it is.. they are keeping a few people around to fix bugs, thats probably all it needs anymore. dont need 750 people to fix random bugs.
18. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 627; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
When Steve Jobs says something, we must obey it. He didn't predict anything - he ordered the world to obey him.
33. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 627; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Well, he tried. Recently there was a statement from some cancer-related expert who said that Steve Jobse refused conventional treatment which would probably saved his life - but he forgot that he can play God only with naive and obedient humans, not with nature.
25. vette21man (Posts: 351; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)
You stop right there mister...Steve Jobs is NOT Chuck Norris, so don't make such jokes.
Did you know that when Chuck Norris does a push-up, he doesn't push himself up...he pushes Earth down?
41. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
lol.. chuck norris jokes never get old :)
20. rockstarlive (Posts: 307; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
I guess its a good move, a win for Steve Jobs I guess.
Flash was buggy on android anyway.
I heard that Adobe might join Google anyway.
23. Whateverman (Posts: 3158; Member since: 17 May 2009)
I find it funny how when Steve Jobs says flash is bad, so many iOS fans went for their torches and pitchforks to destroy it be any means. It was like an instant hatred of not only flash, but Adobe as well. Let's not lose sight of the fact that 750 families will be effected by this decision, so the congratulations and celebrating "a win for Steve Jobs" seems a bit inappropriate.
28. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
No one hates flash, but Steve Jobs was right that it's not good for mobile. Blackberry, iOS , Window and Symbian don't support it. Only android does. Now adobe has announced they will be focusing on HTML instead. This shows he was right.
I know most fandroids just troll and don't care about facts, but Steve Jobs explained why they chose not to support it and gave good reasons. One of the things he said was that Apple had limited resources and wanted to focus on the technology of the future, HTML 5
31. downphoenix (Posts: 2232; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
no, it doesnt show he was right, it shows how Apple muscled HTML5 in when Flash was the dominant standard and that its takeover of mobile was virtually assured due to this. However, Apple muscling itself in forced Adobe's hand. Also Adobe played soft here, when Apple fought Adobe by not including Flash into iOS, Adobe should have fought back by not updating its popular editing software like Illustrator, Photoshop, and Premiere on Mac. Because one huge use of Mac is for graphics and video editing, they could have forced Apple to work with them because if Apple refused they would lose out on a lot of graphics folk that prefer Macs. Instead they were weak and let Apple muscle in and make them go the way Apple wanted them to.
35. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Can you explain why windows phones and blackberries don't support it?
47. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Hahahaha. Android is the dominant OS, not iOS, and android supports flash, so why would adobe care about iOS? Lol. You are not making any sense in saying that Apple muscled html5. It's like admitting that android is not strong enough to muscle flash support, hahahahaha. Android fanboys are amazing, lol.
34. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 627; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Adobe must obey Apple's demands, not because Flash sucks. It's just that they need to adapt to a new rules of the game, because without Apple, they are doomed. Like everyone. Now they are in rapid development of their flagship products (Photoshop etc.) for iPads... this doesn't have anything to do with technicalities, but market laws that are dictated by Apple, no matter how illogical they are. They are here only because they give Apple even more power over technological world.
39. Whateverman (Posts: 3158; Member since: 17 May 2009)
It looks like many people here hate Flash based on the responses given. And why is it so important to people who dont have it on their phones that it dies? Would it bother any of you if XBOX Live were removed from all WP7 phones? Most likely not because A) It wouldn't effect your iPhone 4 or 4S and B) iOS users only root for Android's destruction and vise versa. So anything that they THINK will negatively impact Android is always going to be viewed as a win for Apple in some iOS fan's eyes.
This is merely a self fulfilling prophecy by one of the most powerful companies in the world. He may have give "good" reasons why Flash wouldn't be the technology of the future, but why wouldn't he use what was available today? Should people throw away their iP4Ss now, since the iP5 is supposed to be here in a few months??? No, you use what you have until the new is available, right?
One last question. I'm on topic and haven't referred to anyone here as an iDiot, iFanboy, or iAnything. So why can't you do the same and be respectful and call us Android users or Android fans the way I did in my post?
37. tacohunter (Posts: 408; Member since: 06 Nov 2011)
He didn't say it was bad. Read your sources better.
And btw, there aren't rly many people that hate adobe flash.
Don't believe everything that's said on a forum.
24. ngo2dd (Posts: 773; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
Wow phone arena way not to do any research or give us the who detail. They will be focusing on AIR for mobile us. AIR is in fact flash, but it make it easier for flash to be ported over and easier for cross platform. BTW as long as I can still play my youtube video I am happy.
27. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
Steve Jobs called it years ago
36. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Flash is the most troublesome browser plugin. But also arguably the most useful, after java.
I personally think that it's a bit too soon. There is still a ton of content which relies on flash online.
That said - maybe adobe will make flash OS now.. or something of that nature.
43. donato (Posts: 22; Member since: 28 Nov 2010)
With Adobe’s recent announcement on the discontinuation of its mobile Flash plug-in, we are reminded of an open letter Steve Jobs wrote last year regarding the topic. The letter was in response to Adobe’s public criticism of Apple for omitting the technology from its products.
In the public letter, Jobs lists several sensible reasons why Apple has decided not to include Flash support in its mobile products. The post explains these reasons clearly and thoroughly, and is a tribute to Jobs’ remarkable writing abilities…
“In addition, Flash has not performed well on mobile devices. We have routinely asked Adobe to show us Flash performing well on mobile devices. We have routinely asked Adobe to show us Flash performing well on a mobile device, any mobile device, for a few years now. We have never seen it. Adobe publicly said that Flash would ship on a smartphone in early 2008, then the second half of 2008, then the first half of 2010, and now they say the second half of 2010. We think it will eventually ship, but we’re glad we didn’t hold our breath.
New open standards created in the mobile era, such as HTML5, will win on mobile devices (and PCs too). Perhaps Adobe should focus more on creating great HTML5 tools for the future, and less on criticizing Apple for leaving the past behind.”
Even though “Thoughts on Flash” was meant to clear the air on Apple’s stance regarding the mobile web technology, the CEO took some heat over the post. Here he is defending the letter at AllThingsDigital’s D8 conference in 2010:
In the end, Jobs was right. In addition to discontinuing its work on mobile Flash, Adobe has announced that it plans to invest more of its resources in HTML5 development. And we’re sure that somewhere the Apple co-founder is grinning from ear-to-ear.
“I TOLD YOU SO.”
Tags: Adobe, Apple, Flash, Steve Jobs
50. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 627; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
This is a nicely packed explanation that covers the fact that all of this is happening because Steve Jobs was arrogant enough to monopolize the technological world to suit his vision of Apple's products.
The thing last for more than a decade - he constantly ommits standardized and widely used technology to gain more power - by psychological manipulation he forces the world to adapt to his rules.
Is this genius? No, I don't think so. It's not what only he has. It's arrogancy - something everyone could be, unlike genius.
He had power to manipulate and monopolize the world. Not in legal and political sense, but in the real sense of world's way of thinking and production. The iPad proves it - it's the synonim for tablet, and now the whole world must go with tablets. Now the whole Internet must be optimized for iPhone, not vice-versa.
All this under the empty parolle of "progress" and "future". Astounding is the level of manipulation of masses here - they actually lived without Flash, aka without substantial Internet experience just because Steve said that it's the future. And now it is - he is now called a genius and visionaire. This only proves the theory that people actually don't use anything, they like to be told that they are using something.
Arrogance, arrogance, arrogance. Don't you see that?
44. BReND0 (Posts: 51; Member since: 07 Dec 2010)
Ok so in reponse to you , Donato....
lets be honest......
HOW much is Apple paying adobe to shift focus to HTML 5,
hahaha really I mean they only got over 80 Billion cash on hand, plus a garunteed 35 million more from the Sprint Aplle venture......
first control the patent office
then control adobe and flash,
next theyll convince the world open source is bad,
and buyout them companies,
cant beat em, Buy em
Plus im tried of all this steve jobs is god , steve jobs is a tech guru
steve sounded like a douche, and just represented a company
so please let me here all u cry im trolling im just gonna prove one fact.........
magic cured his aids with some millions
and steve died, creating billions cash, of cancer
goes to show the one thing he cant buy or beat....... LOL
45. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Hahahahaha. Now I'm going to enjoy reading android fanboys' comments saying that flash works really well, even when it contradicts to what Adobe themselves are admitting to that it just does not cut it anymore, lol.
46. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
And btw, what have I been saying this year? That flash will be killed in 2012. Hahahahahaha. But of course I am wrong, right android fanboys, lol.
48. Whateverman (Posts: 3158; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Why is this so important to you? If you use an iPhone, flash shouldn't even be a concern of yours, right? So why do you get such joy out OG Adobe saying they are going to focus on HTML5, which by the way is something most of the Android users on this site agreed would happen anyway. No one has ever disagreed that html5 wouldnt be the future...many simply asked why not have flash on the iPhone? But I guess that's really it right...no one should ever question anything good ol' SJ has commanded.
51. Hallucinator (Posts: 338; Member since: 24 May 2010)
I think the issue is that if this was an article saying the html 5 was dead, the Android enthusiast would be on here ripping Apple. Now that the role is reversed you seem to be getting your feelings hurt. It goes both ways my friend. It's kind of like Androiders complaining about apple trolls. Its the pot calling the kettle black.
54. master0fursinz (Posts: 104; Member since: 26 Apr 2010)
come on adobe, now how am i to watch my tv shows through the web hosting sites that only support flash 9 or above???? what happens when they change to flash 12 and the phones are stuck at 11???? does anyone have a site to watch show stream directly like movieonhand.com, this is my only workaround aside from using a different browser.