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Adobe CEO casts dark clouds over iOS, Android to overtake it because of Flash support

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Adobe CEO casts dark clouds over iOS, Android to overtake it because of Flash support
Adobe’s man in charge Shantanu Narayen might not have been the biggest proponent of Apple, but his recent predictions go way beyond that – Narayen has predicted that Google’s Honeycomb platform will eventually overtake Apple’s iOS in the tablet wars because… it supports Flash.

Currently, the iPad is Apple’s stronghold in tablets, occupying a large portion of tablet sales, while Honeycomb tablets despite their great number have a relatively low market share. Apple’s CEO Steve Jobs have stated numerous times his opinion about Flash causing crashes and slowing down significantly performance. While there’s certainly a grain of truth in that, Narayen says:

"It’s a business model issue, its all about control of the applications that you can run on that platform that bring that platform to life."

Adobe’s chief executive also mentions that Flash on iDevices is not exactly a no-go:

“"What Apple doesn't allow us to do is to build flash content within the browser," Narayen added. "If you can build the application using our tools and compile it down to the iDevice platform that works"

The CEO also mentioned that the feud between Adobe and Apple is a myth, but at the same time he was far from optimistic about the impact of Apple’s decision to go with no Flash support. As the industry is slowly shifting to HTML5, Adobe seems prepared for the transition. "We actually not only welcome the evolution of HTML, we are actively contributing to it. Adobe is contributing typographic expertise and design aesthetics," Narayen concluded. How will that help sales of Honeycomb tablets remains a mystery as HTML5 is also supported by the iPad 2. In either case, let us know if you think that Adobe Flash is such a critical factor in your perception of a tablet in the comments below.

source: Pocket-lint

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posted on 03 Jun 2011, 06:58 4

1. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


its going to be a while before html5 becomes the "standard" so flash content is safe. My guess is at least 5 years or so. You got to train people on it.. get them to stop using flash.. make sure everything supports it.. on n on. its not going to become mainstream over night.

posted on 03 Jun 2011, 21:51

20. Lucas777 (Posts: 2121; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


but do u think honeycomb will catch up by then? and if apple puts the support now, they wont drop it later... so better to wait it out i guess

posted on 03 Jun 2011, 06:59 3

2. ecml (Posts: 129; Member since: 23 Mar 2010)


I don't really care for flash on my device. When I owned my infuse 4g flash will just slow down my browsing experience but there are some times when flash on a device can be very useful.

posted on 03 Jun 2011, 07:16 4

4. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


ill take the extra 5 seconds it takes my vibrant to load flash content, just to know its there. A lot of the news stories i read link to flash videos. I couldnt watch any of it on an iphone.

posted on 03 Jun 2011, 07:45 4

7. ralphyd (Posts: 10; Member since: 24 May 2011)


Actually flash on my xoom works rather flawlessly. With the arrival of dual core processors I think performance issues related flash are no longer a valid argument.

posted on 03 Jun 2011, 09:37 2

11. protozeloz (Posts: 5368; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


I think flash is a good add on, I have it enabled on request and have the best of both worlds so no adds loading for me but i get to see any flash content i need to see.... but still think he is trying to sound relevant the truth i don't think flash would be the main reason for someone to get an android tablet but other features....

posted on 03 Jun 2011, 07:13 3

3. breathlesstao (Posts: 71; Member since: 16 Apr 2010)


It might not be as vital/crucial as Adobe would prolly like us to believe, but you gotta give it to them: with so many Flash media all around the web, it's rather frustrating when all you end up seeing is white squares or some such emptiness because your device can't display them.

posted on 03 Jun 2011, 07:24 2

5. LaughingOutReallyLoud (unregistered)


This is so funny! I've been using an iPhone since day one and it's actually better than ever! I watch most video on web pages through the YouTube app but on my iPad 2 it mostly plays right there on the original page. Who gives a damn about flash?! LMAO! to say that Android will one day surpass iOS tablets because of flash was really stupid! He's looking like the emperor with no clothes! LOL. HONESTLY it may actually overtake iOS one day but only because of 45776544467 cheap and plastic tablets running android! It has nothing at all to do with flash! He just wants to make his companies product seem more important than it actually is! Flash will not decide the outcome! It'll just drain thousands of batteries along the way!

posted on 03 Jun 2011, 07:53 3

8. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3751; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


HTML5 is the future, we all know that. What I am saying is that 85% of the top 100 websites use Flash, so in the meantime you will miss out in great website content while HTML5 gets to be the "standard". I am happy my Android phone/tablet can play Flash videos, it makes web browsing a pleasure & a lot of Android phones/tablets are or will be 4G so they will load Flash content faster than an iPhone 4/iPad 2 with 3G & no Flash! No to mention the next iPhone 4S/5 is STILL going to be 3G! I don’t about the iPad 3, though it may be 3G as well.

posted on 03 Jun 2011, 10:15 1

13. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3751; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


I don't know about the iPad 3....



I write to fast for my own good! lol

posted on 03 Jun 2011, 07:41 2

6. cc16177 (Posts: 312; Member since: 09 May 2010)


Laughingoutloud...You sound very intelligent.

posted on 03 Jun 2011, 09:30 1

10. Dave FL (unregistered)


I have flashblock on my computers. I have an iphone which doesnt get flash. I dont get all the CRAP that is flash advertising. If I can't see it on "85% of the top 100 web sites" I don't need it!

And I'm sick of the damn small iphone 3GS screen. I want 4" and 4G. My next phone will be an HTC and I better be able to not load flash, or have a flashblock available for Android!

Shantanu, your company is the spam equivalent for web sites, and may it die a timely death!

posted on 03 Jun 2011, 09:38

12. ATTCallCenter (unregistered)


Where do I go to learn this HTML5, seems like it would have some good job security for the near future

posted on 03 Jun 2011, 10:34 1

14. gaby1451 (Posts: 113; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)


Could someone please explain to me in laymans terms what HTML5 is and how it's the future of internet browsing/content? Does it replace flash or something? Does flash really slow down devices if so, how?

Gracias! :D

posted on 03 Jun 2011, 11:45 1

16. protozeloz (Posts: 5368; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


I'm not an expert but I'll try to explain as much as I can

DEFINITION:

Adobe Flash (formerly SmartSketch FutureSplash, FutureSplash Animator and Macromedia Flash) is a multimedia platform used to add animation, video, and interactivity to web pages. Flash is frequently used for advertisements and games. More recently, it has been positioned as a tool for "Rich Internet Applications" ("RIAs").
Flash manipulates vector and raster graphics to provide animation of text, drawings, and still images. It supports bidirectional streaming of audio and video, and it can capture user input via mouse, keyboard, microphone, and camera. Flash contains an object-oriented language called ActionScript.
Flash content may be displayed on various computer systems and devices, using Adobe Flash Player, which is available free of charge for common web browsers, some mobile phones and a few other electronic devices (using Flash Lite).
Some users feel that Flash enriches their web experience, while others find the extensive use of Flash animation, particularly in advertising, intrusive and annoying, giving rise to a cottage industry that specializes in blocking Flash content. Flash has also been criticized for adversely affecting the usability of web pages.[1]

TO TELL SHORT

HTML was only for basic usage (text and picture) flash came to deliver much richer experience (games, videos, audio and certain apps and forms) they all used flash to do many stuff and flash became a relevant part of the internet as much as javacript

HTML5

DEFINITION:
HTML5 is a language for structuring and presenting content for the World Wide Web, a core technology of the Internet. It is the latest revision of the HTML standard (originally created in 1990 and most recently standardized as HTML4 in 1997[1]) and currently remains under development. Its core aims have been to improve the language with support for the latest multimedia while keeping it easily readable by humans and consistently understood by computers and devices (web browsers, parsers etc.). HTML5 is intended to subsume not only HTML4, but XHTML1 and DOM2HTML (particularly JavaScript) as well.[1]

TO TELL SHORT:

HTML is the standard use to create the web pages, is the basic core where the web stands, now HTML5 plans on delivering a much richer use for HTML where little to no add ons are needed to be added by the end user, videos, games and audio can be steamed with just a HTML5 compatible browser

now whats the issue? the web that has a majority of flash content is moving towards HTML5 mostly for ease of use because you don't have to learn two languages or how to get them together, but again changing to the new HTML5 takes time for those used to work with flash and older HTML formats. will flash become irrelevant and die? this depends on how the company projects its platform and development, as it is now it may take a couple of years before it becomes completely obsolete, but we may not know till its time

hope this help

posted on 04 Jun 2011, 10:18 1

22. gaby1451 (Posts: 113; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)


Thanks protozeloz!

posted on 03 Jun 2011, 11:49 2

17. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3751; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Hey gaby1451, check this link out.
http://diveintohtml5.org/
HTML5 looks to be the future, but maybe in like 10 years or so. Flash will never go away because they excel in video games. How many Flash video game sites are there, lots. I hope this helps you understand HTML5.

posted on 04 Jun 2011, 10:20 1

23. gaby1451 (Posts: 113; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)


Wow this is great, thanks SuperAndroidEvo!

posted on 03 Jun 2011, 10:40 1

15. Sniggly (Posts: 6695; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Flash is important to me. There are several third party videos on websites I frequent, mobile and on the computer, which use flash. I'm also actively involved in the Youtube community, meaning I like to review and add comments. This means being able to watch videos in the browser instead of having to rely on the Youtube app is also important.

posted on 03 Jun 2011, 14:25

18. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Not having flash on my idevices does not cripple my web experience at all. My main browser on my iphone and ipad is safari. Most websites would have a youtube video on a page, and my iphone/ipad have no problem playing the video at all. A lot of other websites also supports and adopted the idevices' video formats, so I am also able to view those videos just fine. Other flash supported sites are able to identify idevices and seamlessly redirects flash contents to an idevice supported format, so again, I am able to view them just fine. There are rare occassions where a site only supports flash and I would only see that white box. When that happens, I simply copy the web address and paste it to skyfire, and I can be able to view it. Problem solved.

But if flash support is that important for you, then get an android device.

posted on 03 Jun 2011, 19:14

19. obnoxious9162775 (Posts: 32; Member since: 25 Apr 2011)


530gemini, you just told Sniggly that he should get android device? Its obvious that he already has one dumba$$, thats why he is talking about flash. DUH!!!!!

posted on 04 Jun 2011, 07:42

21. Sniggly (Posts: 6695; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


I don't think Gemini was addressing me directly.

posted on 04 Jun 2011, 19:12

24. TKFox007 (Posts: 303; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)


This guy is still butt hurt over Flash not being on iOS devices? I had the first Droid phone with Flash and it SUCKED! The phone slowed to a crawl, the browser crashed, most stuff looked weird like it floated above the browser and most flash videos didn't work because it wasn't optimized for mobile.

Then I got the iPhone and I can still watch videos as the websites that provide streaming video have a version that works with the iPhone's mobile browser. I'm not with Steve Jobs however, Flash is pretty cool, but it's not for mobile phones.

posted on 08 Jun 2011, 13:03

25. truimagz (unregistered)


TKFox007,

I believe flash has improved greatly on mobile devies since the first droid phone was released 2 years ago...

But you hold on to that experience if it helps you sleep better with your iphone on your pillow wrapped in a protective case and placed under a shammy.

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