Analyst: Apple iPhone 8 to be delayed but will still be available for the holidays

Analyst: Apple iPhone 8 to be delayed but will still be available for the holidays
The baseball season has just started and warm weather is returning to the Northern Hemisphere. That is why it seems strange to be thinking about the 2017 holiday season right now. But looking ahead is what Wall Street analysts have to do in order to make accurate forecasts for their clients. Take Drexel Hamilton analyst Brian White. Today, he told clients through a note, that the 10th anniversary edition of the Apple iPhone (dubbed the iPhone 8) will not be released in September as hoped.

White says that the 3-D sensing technology, which allows the front-facing camera to recognize the user's face in order to unlock the phone and verify identity, is giving Apple some problems. White adds that this feature and an OLED display will be found only on the 2017 premium version of the iPhone. Recently, Samsung and Apple signed a pact that has Samsung providing its rival with 70 million to 95 million OLED panels for the iPhone 8. In 2018 and thereafter, all iPhone models are expected to make the move from LCD to OLED.

The analyst says that Apple will still be taking pre-orders in September for the Apple iPhone 7s and Apple iPhone 7s Plus. But those two models won't include all of the snazzy new features for the iPhone 8. White did tell clients in his note that the expensive iPhone 8 (rumors have the phone priced at $850-900 for the 64GB model) will still be available in time for the 2017 holiday season. That happens to be the time of the year when Apple sells the most iPhone handsets. Last year, a record 78.3 million units were sold during Apple's fiscal first quarter which covers October through December.

source: CNBC

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1. haruken

Posts: 306; Member since: Nov 06, 2013

Apple is struggling with a feature available on the S8 and even last year's Note7 ? Typical incompetent company, remember Apple maps.

3. BLUEBLASTER

Posts: 919; Member since: Feb 23, 2014

The article says 3-D sensing technology" Galaxy only has "iris scanner" so stop talking s**t.

45. sgodsell

Posts: 7031; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

Most likely the Note 8 will have the embedded finger print scanner under Samsung's own screens first. Especially before Apple.

46. Ninetysix

Posts: 2945; Member since: Oct 08, 2012

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=samsung+patent+fingerprint+scanner+under+screen Yup. Looks like they have the patent for it too.

4. kiko007

Posts: 7493; Member since: Feb 17, 2016

"Typical incompetent company, remember Apple maps" That's a two way street: Remember S-Voice? S-Health? TouchWiz pre-2015? Etc. "Apple is struggling with a feature available on the S8 and even last year's Note7?" They aren't struggling to do anything, they simply need a much larger quantity of sensors compared to Samsung. They sale tens of millions of these. Hell, they sold 13 million iPhone 6s' in ONE WEEKEND. That's absolutely insane. Not to mention I expect the quality/implementation to be better than the OG Note 7's was. That's just technological evolution.

9. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

You expect it, but it hasnt been true of Apple in quite some time. S-Voice? Samsung created S-Voice. Apple purchased Siri form a company who already had the software on th emarket for at last 2 years as an application. Comparing a application that was on the market for almost 3 years vs a brand new one is stupid. All 1.0 applications suck at first. S-Voice did get much better. Its main issue was speed. But S-Voice vs Siri vs Google, S-Voice provide more accurate information. S-Health has always worked. What was ever wrong with S-Health? I am not aware of any issues. So I am not saying you are right or wrong. The only terrible TouchWiz I recalled was on a Droid Charge. The TouchWiz I used on the S3, Note 2, 3,4,5,7, and S6 were all good. They sold 13M phones on pre-order in one weekend. No one actually had the phones in their hands. They still had to be shipped. The S4 on pre-order sold over 20M before its official retail release day and went on to sell 70M. The S6 and S7 both all had more than 10M pre-order sales as well. I can't think of any Application or feature Apple implemented betetr than anyone. Oh and before you bring up the FPS. Apple didnt make it. Apple purchase Authentec, which was a company who was about to sign several contracts wih several OEM's for the same technology. Apple bought the company which prevent OEM's from also gettign it. Samsung was the only company who managed to be able ot make their own. THose are the facst 3D Touch is terribly implemneted on thr iPhone. I have one with it and I turn it off. It gets in the way of simple functions. For example. in orde to move icons, you have to press an hold the icon before they "jiggle w/fear", but if you pres even slightly to hard , and force touch activates instead. Its already annoying the way you have o move icons on iOS to begin with, this make its worse. To get all my apps in place, I had to turn off. Now that I've gotten to use the one-handed mode more, its terrible. The downside is you lose 60% of what is on the screen and you have to scroll. On the Galaxy yopu stoll have 100% of the screen content even in onehanded mode and all the the original phone features wtill work the same. Example, I can still use one handed mode on the Galaxy and still have a video window floating i the smaller space. Though it to small to work with, I am using it as an example. Now in fairness, I haven't use an iPhone daily since the iPhone 4. But many features on my 6S which I got for my mom to use because she said the S6 had to many bells and whistles, I had to turn many features off to make the phone less complicated for her. She is 82 years old. So I am playing catch-up to what iOS can actually do. But just in the days I've had my iPhone 7+, I can say with a 100% certainty that Apple does not implement features in the best way. Now again to be fair, I am use to certain things being a certain way on Samsung devices. But even Apple should have done those too.

13. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

Like...my isnt the messaging and phone app combine. Leaving to phoen app completely to sent a text message is stupid. I have always hated combined mailboxes. In my case i have several accounts to check. Unified inbox is ok for many, but not me. But on my Galaxy the mail app works exactly like outlook does. I dont have to go to another screen to pick a mailbox. The colum showing all the mailbox on on one column and the actual email window is on the right. I simply pick a box. Apple ot this day has not made the email app better. You literally have to back out a screen to pick a mailbox. That's still stupid. Even though I dont use iOS every single day, I would expect that in 5 years, more would have changed. The fact is, nothing truly has. TouchWiz which at the beginning looked a lot like iOS, has matured to provide a more optimize UI where you have to do less clicks and less back and forth. iOS is still a pain to use. The flow is interrupted because Apple still chooses to have separate apps vs unifying them. Messaging encompasses both phone, and texts. It should be a single unified solution. On my iphone I have over 200 applications install. The settings menu is a complete mess. APple should coinsider doign what Smasung did. And not havign a specific app setting in the app is still stupid. Just because you are use ot it being stupid, doesn't mean it isnt stupid. It creates to to much back and forth. The only settings that should be in settings are things that potentially make gloabal changes on your device, or affects all applications in some manager. But apps settings should be in the app itself. The iPhone makes me feel like i"m using an old ass Blackberry from the 90's. The UI is terrible for 2017 considering other phones. This is the benefit of using skins like TW and Sense, because theose skins bring unification in places where the stock OS does not offer it. But even stock Android isnt this bad and I hate stock Android for similar reasons, its not just IOS. I started using TouchWiz because it offered similar functions I was use to from HTC's Sense. So it was a natural progression. Going from Android to iOS, I feel like I am starting over with training wheels again. IOS 11 needs to be a complete rewrite with application unification and a cleaner simplified settings menu

15. kiko007

Posts: 7493; Member since: Feb 17, 2016

"They sold 13M phones on pre-order in one weekend. No one actually had the phones in their hands. They still had to be shipped." As usual, you have no f**king clue what you're doing about:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-28/apple-sold-13-million-iphones-in-weekend-debut-boosted-by-china Quote from said article: "Apple Inc. sold a record 13 million iPhones during the debut weekend of its latest handsets, as enthusiasts from Beijing to New York rushed to stores to be the first with the new devices. The results were in line with analysts’ expectations and boosted by sales in China, an increasingly critical region for Apple’s business. The company sold 10 million iPhones during the debut of the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus last year, even though the world’s most populous country wasn’t part of the initial release." Techie, listen closely: Shut... dafuq... up.

21. darkkjedii

Posts: 30900; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

@Kiko. He won't, no matter how much you diss him, and let him know you don't want to talk to him, he'll still chase you around the site and hound you.

24. kiko007

Posts: 7493; Member since: Feb 17, 2016

That's no doubt the best course of action. But I'm not coming back at home strictly to diss him, but to make sure others don't buy his bulls**t. Like, this dude comes up with these random ass numbers, and just expects people to believe them. I know people like you, maherk, will, notofanboys, and MG don't believe a word out of his mouth, but some people are more gullible than others. I fact check him to keep this site from turning into "Fox News Lite" where alt-facts are acceptable. Plus I kinda enjoy crushing his hopes...as messed up as that sounds :).

29. darkkjedii

Posts: 30900; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

@kiko. Yeah, you drill his ass, and it's hilarious, and no I don't believe crap that comes outta his mouth.

39. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

kiko007 all mainstream media love alt-fact and fake news based on unverifiable sources. at least half is number are wrong but he also have good one. So easy to just bash someone and trash them than going point by point and really destroy the arguments. Thats typical of liberal ppl attack the person not the content.

32. Ninetysix

Posts: 2945; Member since: Oct 08, 2012

NonTechie wrote: "They sold 13M phones on pre-order in one weekend. No one actually had the phones in their hands. They still had to be shipped. The S4 on pre-order sold over 20M before its official retail release day and went on to sell 70M." Samsung sold 10M Galaxy S4's in a month. https://www.sammobile.com/2013/05/30/samsung-galaxy-s4s-sales-might-go-over-80-million-in-2013/ Apple's 13M iPhone 6S weekend sale included the phones sold in the retail stores. Remember those long lines outside the stores during iPhone launch day? Do you actually think they are just lining up to pre-order? LOL. Which galaxy phone comes close to 220M phone sold? :)http://www.statisticbrain.com/apple-iphone-6-plus-sales-statistics/

33. darkkjedii

Posts: 30900; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

@Ninteysix. Per Wikipedia, it sold 20 million in its first two months (not pre order), and 40 million in its first six months. Techie is a pathetic liar, with ugly werewolf hands.

50. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

Who care? Apple chose to sell one phone. When is Apple going to sell 400M phones in a year? Never! When will they sell 300M in a year? Probably never! Samsung chose not to sell one phone. Apple did not sell that many of that model in a single year, it was over 2 years per Wikipedia. Deep! I don't care how many they sell. Doesn't effect my buying decision. But if Samsung only sold the S, they would sell more of them than Apple would.

52. Ninetysix

Posts: 2945; Member since: Oct 08, 2012

Love it when you throw random numbers out your ass then gets schooled with actual facts. Keep it up :)

57. aegislash

Posts: 1465; Member since: Jan 27, 2015

"If Samsung only sold the S, they would sell more of them than Apple would." Of course they would, because Apple doesn't sell Galaxy devices. But jokes aside....I highly, HIGHLY doubt that the Galaxy S being Samsung's only phone would amount to higher sales than iPhones. Did you consider the fact that those who purchase lower end Galaxy devices are merely looking for a cheaper option? They go with Samsung because they know the name, but if Samsung stopped all of their other Galaxy device sales, I'm sure these people would look elsewhere for cheaper phones, due to the Android universe having literally thousands of cheap options.

37. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

S-voice was NEVER superior to google now try again techie.

74. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

"in the days I've had my iPhone 7+" So you don't have a Red iPhone, you are just a little frustrated Samsung LIAR!

35. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

kiko007 i agree about Samsung crappy app but still dont explain why apple map was so horrible at first its felt like a bad alphaware. as for the rest we shall see in due time.

62. sgodsell

Posts: 7031; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

Kiko007 when you try to bring up or show something like "That's a two way street: Remember S-Voice? S-Health? TouchWiz pre-2015? Etc. " That is flawed in so many ways. First of all there is also Google versions of the same software that you mentioned. So you don't like A voice then use Google Now or with the S8 use Google Assistant instead. Don't like A health then use Google Fit. Although She health has tie ins to the on board O2 sensor and heart rate monitor. Don't like Touched, then use another launcher. Android has choices, iOS doesn't. You can't change the iOS system to use other apps, where as Android lets you change everything. Your right Apple isn't struggling, then just have to wait for the components from the OEMs that are making lots of smartphones as well. Like Samsung. Who btw still outsells Apple every year, in terms of total smartphones sold.

63. tedkord

Posts: 17198; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

S-Health is OK. S-Voice is pure crap, to this day.

65. kerginaldo17 unregistered

So much evolution that use Samsung memories and will use the amoled screens too ...

5. hazard1

Posts: 231; Member since: Feb 11, 2017

Oh, I don't know. They sold 78 million phones during the first fiscal quarter of 2017. Now, I know sales does not equal technical competence, but they wouldn't be doing that well if they were technically incompetent.

10. trojan_horse

Posts: 5868; Member since: May 06, 2016

"Now, I know sales does not equal technical competence, but they wouldn't be doing that well if they were technically incompetent." They're doing it due to them being competent in marketing (others even call it brainwashing), not due to them being technically competent.

28. hazard1

Posts: 231; Member since: Feb 11, 2017

Yeah, I know all that. I am not a fan either. All I am saying is that it works. And it still doesn't equal technical incompetence on their part.

83. yyzamin

Posts: 380; Member since: Aug 26, 2015

I suppose all successful electronics companies "brainwash millions of people with marketing" Maybe people many are just happy with iOS. Imagine iPhones were priced to compete with one plus. Apple would own 80% of the market.

11. trojan_horse

Posts: 5868; Member since: May 06, 2016

"Now, I know sales does not equal technical competence, but they wouldn't be doing that well if they were technically incompetent." They're doing it due to them being competent in marketing (others even call it brainwashing), not due to them being technically competent.

17. kiko007

Posts: 7493; Member since: Feb 17, 2016

"They're doing it due to them being competent in marketing (others even call it brainwashing), not due to them being technically competent." You can't distort the word to fit your narrative. If that's how you wanna play it, Samsung is MORE incompetent. Not only did they spend more money marketing than Apple, they also had two "technical recalls" because they couldn't get battery ergonomics right, twice. What an incompetent PoS brainwashing organization, amirite? Fanboy logic: The company who sold you a grenade is more competent than the one who has better technical support/safety measures. :/

23. Anonymous.

Posts: 423; Member since: Jun 15, 2016

Kiko007, Samsung spends more on marketing than Apple because Samsung makes way more products than Apple does. Apple is technically incompetent, and so is Samsung too, but Apple is more technically incompetent than Samsung. Samsung' s mistake with the Note7 fiasco does not change its technical competence, which it has proved throughout the years and backed with multiple awards. If you gonna mention the Note7 fiasco, then mention the antennagate and bendgate fiasco as technical incompetence too. When was the last time Apple won an award for any tech??? Why do you mention the Samsung corruption scandal which is a political affair and has nothing to do with tech which post #16 was talking about? Shouldn't you mention Apple's corrupted tax evasion in Ireland too? And you talk about fanboy logic? Hypocrite.

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