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Ming-Chi Kuo sees "revolutionary" front camera for the Apple iPhone 8

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TrendForce estimates some specs belonging to the 2017 iPhone models

TrendForce estimates some specs belonging to the 2017 iPhone models


A report just released by KGI Securities reveals some new information from analyst Ming-Chi Kuo about the Apple iPhone 8. The analyst, who has a reputation for being highly reliable, says that the version of the 2017 iPhone wearing an OLED panel will sport a "revolutionary" front-facing camera and a 3D sensor. The 2D images from the camera will use the new sensor to produce 3D selfies and will also be employed for face recognition.

Ming-Chi Kuo recently said that the iPhone 8 would not have Touch ID embedded under an edge-to-edge display as originally thought. Instead, the analyst said that Apple would use face recognition to unlock the phone and verify information. To that end, Apple purchased Israeli company RealFace which has developed a highly accurate system that can even identify identical twins.

Sensors used in the new camera will be able to perform depth of field calculations using a dedicated Infrared transmitter and receiver. According to Mr. Ming, the camera will be produced by Sony with Foxconn's Sharp supplying the infrared receivers. IR signals are sent out from the phone, and then are bounced off objects and are detected using the 1.4MP IR receiver. The report adds that Apple will add 3D sensing rear-facing cameras in 2018 models and beyond. This would allow Apple to get rid of the large dual-camera system found on the Apple iPhone 7 Plus. With Apple well ahead of Android in 3D camera algorithms, according to the KGI analyst, the new technology could be unique to the iPhone for some time.

The Apple iPhone 8 is expected to feature a 5.8-inch OLED display, replacing the home button with a "function area" that leaves a 5.2-inch screen for applications. The A11 chipset will be under the hood with optional wireless charging, a larger battery and improved protection from water. The phone is expected to be priced at $1,000.

Another report by TrendForce estimates that production of the 2017 iPhone models (Apple iPhone 7s, Apple iPhone 7s Plus, Apple iPhone 8) will reach 100 million units this year, with the OLED panel sporting iPhone 8 making up the majority of that production. Including all iPhone models manufactured this year, Apple will raise production by 6% to 230 million handsets.

Information from the iPhone supply chain suggests that the iPhone 8 will feature 2K resolution, a first for an Apple smartphone, and will come with 3GB of RAM. Storage options will be 64GB and 256GB. The iPhone 7s Plus will also sport 3GB of RAM while 2GB of the stuff will grace the iPhone 7s.

source: 9to5Mac, TrendForce

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posted on 21 Feb 2017, 15:26 4

3. kiko007 (Posts: 5188; Member since: 17 Feb 2016)


My body (and wallet....unfortunately) are ready for the bezeless model. To be honest, I think bezeless phones are pretty stupid, but hey, I liked the S6 Edge when I had it. I figured since this would be the "top flight" model, I might as well cop it!

posted on 21 Feb 2017, 16:40

14. LiveFaith (Posts: 105; Member since: 04 Jul 2015)


I'm a million miles from buying an iPhone. But, if Apple knocks it out of the park with a bezelless model like that, then I will definitely give them a look.

posted on 21 Feb 2017, 16:51

15. xondk (Posts: 1904; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)


Dunno, we will see, I predict it breaking very easily with 'average' user.

posted on 21 Feb 2017, 16:53 3

18. kiko007 (Posts: 5188; Member since: 17 Feb 2016)


All glass phones break.....did you expect magic?

posted on 22 Feb 2017, 04:46

66. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 3503; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)


Apple does say it's practically magic quite a lot, soo.... ;)

posted on 22 Feb 2017, 17:03

90. xondk (Posts: 1904; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)


Nope, but more glass no bezel = more breakage, it doesn't seem a smart idea for the 'general' user. That's all.

posted on 22 Feb 2017, 01:58

60. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 3503; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)


I do think Apple will implement the bezeless model better than what we had so far, since they control the OS more. What I didn't like about the Edge is palm rejection sucked balls and having text (like on websites) and the keyboard keys almost unreadable because they were in the curved part. Apple can do this better to optimize the OS for bezeless phones.

posted on 21 Feb 2017, 15:37

4. jeroome86 (Posts: 2013; Member since: 12 Apr 2012)


But wait till the self proclaim xp types a post. With data and stats follow by a long essay.

posted on 21 Feb 2017, 15:48

5. Danini1112 (Posts: 66; Member since: 22 Jun 2013)


Too much blabla.

posted on 21 Feb 2017, 15:50 5

6. Danini1112 (Posts: 66; Member since: 22 Jun 2013)


From the same Guys who said the Fingerprint will be under the screen...and now it's not. Guys who launch rumor are just playing catch up with Samsung.

Samsung Concept get real. But I don't see anything from Apple yet.

posted on 21 Feb 2017, 16:05 3

8. AlikMalix (unregistered)


Without arguments, what has Samsung brought forward on new models that isn't just a spec bump from before?

posted on 21 Feb 2017, 16:09 2

9. kiko007 (Posts: 5188; Member since: 17 Feb 2016)


On-screen buttons that look really cool?

posted on 22 Feb 2017, 02:35 1

62. ShaikhJGI (Posts: 222; Member since: 10 Jan 2014)


Iris scanners. I know its not the 1st time on a cell phone but it is one of the best implemented one on a consumer device to date. Now Apple is catching up with this 3D face recognition stuff. I know it will work very well but still a catch up.

On the contrary to your question, Apple also have brought nothing to the board except an Awesomely bumped A series chip. There is nothing on the Appstore today that my 6s can't do & 7 can. It is buttery smooth as hell even today except if you are seeing that in slow motion comparison with 7.

posted on 22 Feb 2017, 04:27

65. AlikMalix (unregistered)


Hi, you forgot about all the things that are important to me: forcetouch screen (and not that rushed half baked Asian phone version that has only one level of force) and imbedded fingerprint sensors that EVERYONE has followed -- are more important to me than an iris scanner even though fast, still takes longer than Touch ID does. 64bit architecture (and now entire ecosystem) alone future proofs my old 5s and every device thereafter - 5s is extremely smooth and quick and running latest update too... THATS EFFING MORE IMPORTANT to loads of people that hold on to their older device longer than a tech nerd than a damn iris scanner that's bested by a fingerprint sensor. I remember how perfect 120fps slow motion video was on 5s - nothing came close for more than a year after.

Just because Apple make their stuff for their own devices does not mean they don't bring anything "to the board". And the A series chip you try to downplay - has hundreds of major breakthru's that Android manufacturers still cant keep up a year later!!!...

Jeez, stop acting like Apple does not know how to innovate - they do it everyeyar - and so far they knew where and when and how to implement new tech and "innovate" their own tweaks and implementations. So far, iPhone after iPhone - I still find it a better built phone and ecosystem for me and my family than any android device and its ecosystem!!!

posted on 22 Feb 2017, 05:24 1

68. Michigan (Posts: 129; Member since: 19 Nov 2016)


En how many kings of essay's do we have here? damn it that was a hell of a read.^^^

posted on 22 Feb 2017, 07:00

73. AlikMalix (unregistered)


I just skip others if I don't want to read 'em... sorry.. just trying to be thorough. I've typed short comments before, but you have to be extremely redundant to get thru some people.

But yeah, just skip it...

posted on 22 Feb 2017, 10:15

81. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 14041; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


That wasn't long...what you crying about.

This is a forum where you discuss.

How long is a discussion in school? IS it only 3 lines? Don't you read books? Even music has more than 3 lines even if you aren't reading it.

If you don't want to read, then WTF you come to a blog for? Just to look at pictures? They have coloring books for that and most dont have words. GO read those and dont forget your Crayola's.

posted on 22 Feb 2017, 10:13

80. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 14041; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


APple didnt make that fingerprint reader. In fact, that company Apple bought mad eit. That company was suppose to supply Samsung, LG and HTC with them as well.

But Apple bought the company, stop the talks with the other OEM's, so they could get a headstart with it.

Samsung was the only OEM who was able to source another company. That company hadn't made the sensor yet that allowed a read without a swipe.

Samsung improved it, but investing into the company for a stake and that company brought that sensor to other companies along with Samsung.

Samsung actually makes money from their option, because they have a 5% stake in the company that makes them and they make them for other outfits. While Apple is only spending money with the company they bought.

In fairness Apple should be compare to every Android OEM except Sony, Samsung and LG. Because those 3 actually make their own stuff. Apple sources everything.

So thus when you make a claim Apple made something...its bull.

Apple goes to specific companies with a list of things they want. They pick what matches what they are looking for an buy it and design their software/hardware around it

Samsung sits at a table, with engineers, designers, and fabricators to create a element from scratch and then build thir soft/hardware around it.

posted on 23 Feb 2017, 03:15

92. ShaikhJGI (Posts: 222; Member since: 10 Jan 2014)


I Agree with you that Touch ID works faster than iris scanner but hey iPhone 8 is suppose to come with only face recognition tech not a Touch ID and Samsung is keeping both FPS & iris scanner what you have to say about that. Count me in which one will be faster now?

Having best of both worlds is always better bruhh..:)

Just because Apple is facing some $100 more for manufacturing iPhone 8, doesn't mean they charge $350+ more.

You know how much more it translates to in Emerging countries & other countries? It will be $500+ :(.

That is the only thing I hate about Apple. Don't give me that country local taxes & all bro, because OnePlus 3T is available here in India for just $420 which is lesser than international pricing. Same goes to S7 & other flagships which are priced competitively compared to those of US.

Just to keep that $700 average pricing, Apple kills millions of potential buyers :(. I am using iPhone 6s but I bought it for a hefty price here in INDIA.

posted on 22 Feb 2017, 10:06 1

78. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 14041; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


In really no one is doing more than typical expected spec bumps.

Where the problem usually comes and you know this as fact, because you do it too is, Samsung moves are downplayed, while the same move by Apple is up-played with exaggerated fanfare.

But here is a specific difference. When Samsung upgrades a specific component, its actually better than the prior.

FOr example, each display has been better, each CPU has been better, even though Samsung uses Sony's optics, each Galaxy has seen improvements.

With Apple many improvements were actually a step back. Their implementation of "Force Touch" is a step back because theer are faster ways on the iPhone to do the same tasks, and the implementation was lame and useless.

The camera is the biggest deal for me. The iPhone 7 has been stated by all blog sites including PA, to take worse pictures than the iPhone 6S. This has been proven in lots of actual videos where the camera basically showed little improvement.

Example, the dynamic range still sucks. The low light pictures were slightly improved, but when use in darker situation, the 6S actually did better, even though its bad vs the Pixel or S7's.

Battery size is still tiny. Yet the device limited feature set, still burns through a battery in less than 8 hours vs other devices like the Note 7/S7 which have 4 times the hardware and yet lasts 2 days with the exact same usage.

Even though in fairness as you stated, they all do the same things, Samsung's improvements actually show improvements overall.

Again to be fair, I think the Galaxy S6 camera is still better than the S7, but not for low light. But the 16MP/1.9 lens does a better job vs 12MP/

I am hoping the S8 brings back the 16MP or higher shooter, but with the same 1.7/dual-auto-focus that the S/Note 7 has.

posted on 21 Feb 2017, 16:04 2

7. AlikMalix (unregistered)


"Revolutionary".... lol, I'm beginning to hate how loosely they use these words.

posted on 21 Feb 2017, 16:36 7

11. Alpha1 (Posts: 100; Member since: 06 Jul 2016)


I guess this guy makes a lot of money making up lies so that Apple cheerleaders wet their pants. Good for him.

posted on 21 Feb 2017, 16:37 2

12. drkuthan (Posts: 68; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


apple rules again trashoids follow

posted on 21 Feb 2017, 16:53

17. AlikMalix (unregistered)


Relax, it's ALL just rumors.

posted on 21 Feb 2017, 19:23 1

42. sissy246 (Posts: 3873; Member since: 04 Mar 2015)


We agree lol

posted on 21 Feb 2017, 17:33 1

29. fyah_king (Posts: 998; Member since: 22 Jul 2013)


Have you ever eaten a rotten Apple?

posted on 21 Feb 2017, 16:40

13. Arch_Fiend (Posts: 3359; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)


Getting rid of touch ID completely is so dumb, an FP scanner in the screen is much better than this face recognition bulls**t. I really don't like the idea of no FP or home button on a smartphone.

posted on 21 Feb 2017, 16:52 9

16. AlikMalix (unregistered)


I agree. Phone unlocked before it meets my face with Touch ID, vs face recognition where it must meet your face first - even if it's fast, it's still slower than resting your finger while pulling your phone out or grabbing it from table.

Plus touchbid works at night. Which is so much more frequent scenario than when you wear gloves (which the only benefit for facial scan).

posted on 21 Feb 2017, 16:59

20. Arch_Fiend (Posts: 3359; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)


I 100% agree with everything you just said!!! That's exactly how I feel, Touch ID works 9/10 times it's good and reliable but I just know the face recognition is going to disappoint me compared to touch ID.

posted on 21 Feb 2017, 18:57 1

40. darkkjedii (Posts: 24329; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Let it actually materialize first.

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