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Sprint: We are the only carrier with real 4G

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Sprint: We are the only carrier with real 4G
The battle is on. T-Mobile says that it is has the largest 4G network. Verizon now says, as we reported, that it offers the fastest 4G network. AT&T says that if T-Mobile's HSPA+ service is 4G, its service is 4G as well. And since they expect the AT&T HSPA+ pipeline to cover 50 million more people at the end of the year than T-Mobile, AT&T is saying that hey, we have the largest 4G service in the U.S.

Sprint, with its WiMax network, was the first to offer 4G service in the country and also was the first to make 4G enabled handsets available to its customers. The carrier expanded its 4G service to Los Angeles today and Michael Galluccio, Sprint Sales Manager New York Metro, said that, "Other carriers may claim to have a 4G network. but right now Sprint is the only national carrier with a true 4G network." And count the executive as one of those that believe that when it comes to pipelines, size matters. He said, "How well it works depends on the size of your pipe. Fortunately, Sprint has a big pipe."

Ironically, not one of the carriers so-called 4G networks meets the definition of 4G as laid out by the ITUs Radiocommunication Sector. But the damage has already been done. Both Sprint and T-Mobile have phones with 4G in the name and as far as the public knows, all of the claims made by the carriers are perfectly legitimate.

This could end up in court if one or more of the carriers wants to challenge a competitor's position, or if consumers feel that they are being ripped off by an improper use of the "4G" title. This story is just being written and we have a long way until we get some clarification.

source: AndroidandMe

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posted on 20 Nov 2010, 22:51

1. phone333 (Posts: 331; Member since: 04 Feb 2009)


Phoenix !!! please

posted on 20 Nov 2010, 23:00 1

2. Doakie (Posts: 1231; Member since: 06 May 2009)


I'm gonna try to trade my Vibrant for a Mytouch 4g just to piss people off.

posted on 20 Nov 2010, 23:25 1

3. psn1819 (Posts: 41; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


Ive used sprint the epic 4g and evo 4g and can honestly say that Sprint's supposed 4G network just makes up for its Lacking natiowide 3G coverage..Ive been to New York, Philadelphia,etc...Very overrated....T-mobile's 4G network is 10x better..verizon its possibly amazing and as for At&T...well..I believe the dropped Calls speak for themselves...Thats just my opinion and experience.

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 00:58 2

5. oddmanout (Posts: 435; Member since: 22 May 2009)


Thats obviously a lie. How can you say that you've used sprint's network and say that they lack a solid 3G network? Sprint's 3G coverage is more than solid, its one of the best. You give commendations to T-Mobile when they in fact have the worst 3G coverage of all 4 major carriers... If you weren't so ignorant and quick to misjudge, you would know that sprint and verizon both share roaming agreements. So that "amazing" network that you claim verizon has, sprint has too. I wouldn't say sprints 4G network makes up for anything but more so compliments what already is there. The only thing sprint lacked before was a decent lineup of devices and a reliable customer service department and both have more than improved while still being one of the most affordable and feature packed plans. Sprint is no doubt about it the best bang for your buck as a service provider.

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 03:24 2

8. psn1819 (Posts: 41; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


Umm oddmanout.clearly your a sprint fanboy..i actually have been with sprint for a while..thanx and let me add that im not ignorant iam simply stating my opinion thats all..I didnt misjudge, my experience with sprint wasnt good at all and on top of that arent you being ignorant for jumping on my case for..yet again..MY EXPERIENCE...I may have undercut the fact they run off of verizon..yes.But isnt sprint the only one charging an additional $10 charge for an underveloped network and nobody else is doing that..i should have chosen my statements better seeing as though you were going to hang on each word.

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 14:03

18. smpdx (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)


@psn1819
Even with the $10 add on, Sprint is close to HALF the price of the other carriers current price plans.
$79.99 for Sprint Evo or Epic
$117.99 for a comperable Smartphone plan on Verizon.

FYI Sprint isn't the one that is charging that $10 fee. It is Clearwire. But why does that even matter!!! Its still SO MUCH CHEAPER!

Sprint's 4G netowork is the only current technology capable of hitting the "qualifications" set by the ITU. But who gives two cents about an organization that is run by the UN. Last time I checked, no one cares what that beauracratic, unethical, corrupt, political pandering, anti-american organization has to say.

@seluased6
WIMAX has WAAAY more spectrum than LTE. And as soon as WIMAX 2 is released, you will have NO CHOICE but to switch to Sprint. Especially when you will be getting 300+ Mbps and AMAZING coverage.
LTE will NEVER be capable of 100 Mbps.

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 14:36

19. Schmao (Posts: 302; Member since: 05 Jul 2009)


So, if at 100mbs everything is loading instantly, then what's the point of being faster?

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 16:20

22. smpdx (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)


Because we can... lol

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 16:23

23. me (unregistered)


I have to disagree with you and agree with oddmanout. I have been a Verizon user (personal phone) for 2 years and their service is great. I came from T-Mobile due to their small network and overall lack of coverage in many areas of the country. I travel all over the country and world for my job and my employer is with Sprint. I must say since I carry 2 phones, a VZW Droid X and a Sprint Blackberry Bold World Edition, my Sprint service is just as good as VZW. Ocassionally, I roam on Verizon but it is very rare. In fact, just this week I will be paying the cancellation fee to move my personal service from Verizon to Sprint as the service is just as good and they are much cheaper than VZW. The city I live in just added 4G service and a few friends with Sprint have the EVO / Epic 4G and have told me how reliable and fast the 4G service is. In fact, one of my buddies got rid of his Verizon FIOS home internet and got a Sprint mobile 4G hotspot which he claims is almost as fast as his Fios. He tells me he is consistently getting 4-5mbps and sometimes 8-10mbps. I am thrilled about this new wireless 4G service.

posted on 24 Nov 2010, 10:13

36. loco64 (Posts: 10; Member since: 04 Jun 2010)


Really? Which T-Mobile phone did you use? Second, why do you have both sprint and T-Mobile? Third, if you believe Verizon will be that much faster, why are you not with them? Please, do not say its for the dynamite customer service. AND FOURTH, the $10 charge makes your bill 79.99, which STILL beats anyone else. ARE YOU A MORON?

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 12:23 1

14. seluased6 (unregistered)


Sprint doesnt share all verizon towers, only about 5%. So your comment has no merit. Also, Verizon is rolling out a nationwide LTE network, which has more capicity than any other. So is AT&T. Also, Sprint charges $10 a month extra just to access its Wimax 4G. All this is going to do is make T-mobile look even more pathetic than it already is.

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 13:11 1

16. psn1819 (Posts: 41; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


Its a shame...Everybody on here is so damn smart and know all about these networks,phone features and etc.But don't Understand the words "MY OPINION." Some of you should head back to class and stop hanging on to my every word..Have a nice day

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 18:51 2

26. smpdx (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)


Don't post your opinion if you have no idea what you are talking about then ;)

HUGS!

posted on 22 Nov 2010, 10:37 1

31. psn1819 (Posts: 41; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


Haha..Smpd..you can go fuck yourself and have a nice day..your words don't mean shit

posted on 22 Nov 2010, 16:01 3

32. smpdx (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)


Obviously "my words" had an effect on you :)

posted on 22 Nov 2010, 20:16

33. psn1819 (Posts: 41; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


No once again your words meant nothing...pay attention

posted on 23 Nov 2010, 12:14 1

34. smpdx (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)


Yet you continue to react to my words.

You fail. :(

posted on 23 Nov 2010, 18:39

35. psn1819 (Posts: 41; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


Are you done? like really...this conversation...like you is a joke...iam grown and don't have time for your BS..get off your period and stop hanging onto every little thing...its really sad..grow up and have a nice day..or are you gonna follow me to another post so we can continue this bs conversation

posted on 26 Nov 2010, 13:54 1

38. smpdx (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)


Obviously you have enough time to come back and write a response.
You fail again...

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 00:35

4. Kevin (unregistered)


I support Sprint's 4G but I don't think it was a very smart move claiming it's the only "4G" network.
From somebody who owns an EVO 4G in New York, I can honestly say I don't care much about it's "4G"(WiMAX). It is great when you actually need it but I don't do much that requires such a high bandwidth on my phone yet. I've only turned it on to test speeds and tether.
T-Mobile's "4G" is pretty much hit or miss on landing onto HSPA+, and it's difficult to tell whether or not you're connected to it. Since you're just "enhancing" your current HSDPA network to HSPA+, being in NY doesn't help since there's already a massive number of users using T-Mobile's HSDPA. You can be bottlenecked and it can go back to HSDPA without even telling you. So if you are connected to it, you better do your bandwidth hogging stuff before it goes back to HSDPA.

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 01:28

6. hornetmx (Posts: 71; Member since: 12 Mar 2010)


Enough of the roaming agreements. You got sprint roaming on verizon, then you get pushed to the back of the line. Believe me, just because your phone works there it doesnt meant you will get the same service. Some roaming agreements do not allow you to use data. Ask any prepaid services that lease other companies towers how well that works out. You basically get the left overs. You would probably end up being mad at sprint due to your roaming agreement making your phone work like crap.

It's sad when i have to refer a sprint customer back to sprint due to their phone only connecting to vzw and their phone is working like crap. I tell them, please make sure they take care of your problem and do not let them brush you off. I get that with metro pcs, but at that point I begin to cry since they metro pcs customer service refers their customers back to us because they flashed their vzw phone and now it doesnt seem to be working and they wont do crap for them.

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 02:42 1

7. phoneadik (unregistered)


Stupid Sprint... the ITU already announced that both WIMAX and LTE is not considered 4G so stop misleading consumers, besides sprint sucks...

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 05:16

9. Ian (unregistered)


Completely right, by the way, here in Europe Madrid and Barcelona for example are cities that has a 3.5G with speeds of 42 Mbps, and we don't call it 4G

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 07:45

10. donpeppino9 (Posts: 67; Member since: 24 Jan 2010)


based on my experience with 3g coverage here is a list from highest to lowest in coverage, which is also indictive of what the coverage maps show even without roaming agreements:

1. verizon
2. sprint
3. att
4. tmobile

sure sprint may have roaming agreements, but everyone does and it isn't those roaming agreements that makes their coverage better than att or tmobile, but it does make it even better. Outside of what coverage maps tell you, people who use tmobile and att are always telling me about getting dropped calls and coverage gaps even in major cities (chicago).... ESPECIALLY T-MOBILE... especially.

so far sprint is the only carrier that has the technology and pipeline that allows speeds to grow into the 4g range. I think it would be a lot harder to improve the hsdpa speeds over 100 mpbs for download anytime soon, where as with wimax it already has been done.

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 14:43

20. Schmao (Posts: 302; Member since: 05 Jul 2009)


LTE when upgraded will also be 4G. So Verizon and ATT also have the capability.

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 09:49

11. Ebonyks (Posts: 20; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)


Just so everyone knows, while sprint does have roaming agreements with verizon, they are *not* for 3g, they are for their 1x-rtt network.

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 12:53

15. donpeppino9 (Posts: 67; Member since: 24 Jan 2010)


that is incorrect. if you look at sprint's coverage maps they do have areas of 3g roaming. Don't tell me that all that is from us cell! lol

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 13:20

17. psn1819 (Posts: 41; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


true but the 3G roaming is very scarce on the west coast.which limits it to the 1x-rtt network...I just did a check on the sprint coverage maps..im not disagreeing with you...But but they should definitely improve their 3G coverage.

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 16:26

24. smpdx (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)


I use roaming all the time in my house because I get signal from Sprint towers. I live on the West Coast and it works great.
Sprint is a whore. It has agreements with everyone. But in the end... when you include roaming, Sprint has virtually the best coverage.
Its definitely Verizon and Sprint batteling for the number one. However, if you dont include roaming, Verizon is the clear winner.
ATT and T-mob dont even compare.

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 10:36

12. Kristal2010 (Posts: 1; Member since: 21 Nov 2010)


Sprint may have 4g & the are more bang for you buck! BUT they need to work on their customer services skills! I loved my Sprint's signal strength & I LOVED my Evo! But I never had a bill that was right, nor BlackBerry's that worked right, or had what was promised! Example; My Evo battery had a dead cell, they said they would send me out another one. Guess what NEVER got it! Had a BlackBerry that never worked right from the start, said they would send me a replacement. You guessed it NEVER came! So when I said I'm done with their service, with a VERY long list of other issues, they say sorry mama but YOU OWE the early term fees PLUS the bill! You tell me that I have to do this & that, which I do & your reps don't do what they say. And yet I'm the one who has to pay! WHATEVER!!! Thanks but no thanks! Sprint fine tune what you have before trying to get 4g all up and running! Bigger is not always better!! Oh, and I'll see you in court cause I will not pay my early term fees without a fight!

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 11:43

13. taeh1291 (unregistered)


No carrier currently carries real "4G" according to the governing ITC due to its download and upload specicifications. Don't believe the hype. All everyone is really getting is an improved 3G performance. Thank you.

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 15:30

21. unknown (unregistered)


yess it is coming to the OC now my biggest question will be when I am able to upgrade my phone in about 1yr is what to get a 4g phone or the HTC 7 pro.

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 18:49

25. Downsouth821 (unregistered)


I think the ITU is right but i also think that Sprint and Verizon is right also. They should not be able to call it 4g because they dont have the speed. But then again they can call it 4g because it is the 4 generation of wireless technology. So if they was to got to court all Sprint and Verizon has to say is we use 4G because its the 4th generation of wirless technology. Just like the iphone, it uses 4G but not cause it has 4G speeds. And ATT is right if Tmobile can call there network 4G then ATT should also, but they dont because they will be launching LTE which is a true 4th generation technology and wouldnt want them confused.

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 18:55

27. smpdx (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)


@Downsouth821

Yeah, you are right for the most part.
The reason why t-mobile decided to call it 4G anyways is because the company owners have already made the decision not to build a REAL 4G network. So they figured they would beef up their current one and call it good.

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 20:36

28. ibap (Posts: 692; Member since: 09 Sep 2009)


Geography is everything. Depending on where you are and what you need, any one of the carriers may do fine. We switched from VZW to Sprint because when you walked into our local high school (daughter is a junior now) you had no service with VZW. I called a dad out who claimed that the school blocked cell signals - he just couldn't believe that Sprint, Alltel and t-Mobile all worked in the building when his VZW did not.

I've read nasty comments about every carrier around. Like so many things these days, it may depend on who you get at a call center, or which store you walk into.

If you never venture far from a major highway, t-Mob may be fine, but they are too spotty between where I live and where I work.

Alltel is currently VZW's stepchild, and I wish they'd decide what they're going to do with them. I waited for VZW to incorporate Alltel's network so I could stay with them, but no dice.

Sprint has done well for us, and we'll re-evaluate when daughter starts college.

About the 4G issue - I think they all think we'll believe anything they tell us - so they will tell us anything they want to.

I've got access to 4G from where I work, though it has not been even mentioned for the city I work in, and I've detected a few other 4G areas around town. 4G on my Epic is waaaaaaaaay faster than 3G on the Epic, and they're both faster than my old Touch Pro2. Geography (and device) again.

And would you guys please write English and learn to use your shift keys? You are not e. e. cummings and his writing that way annoyed me too.

posted on 21 Nov 2010, 21:36

29. tofast30 (Posts: 16; Member since: 21 Nov 2008)


What is the maturity of these bloggers. It will be 4 g tech in a few months after the FCC says so. It is still 4 g technology. Come on kids. All that matters is results. Quit crying.

posted on 22 Nov 2010, 03:29

30. Daniel (unregistered)


Lol I don’t know why people are keep talking about Verizon and AT&T 4G … they don’t even have it Available. And probably by the time they have 4G and cover the same markets as Sprint, Sprint is moving up to something faster and better!. I’m supper happy with my services with Sprint I had T-Mobile and Verizon before and T-Mobile has a very bad coverage and Verizon to expensive and your bill is never the same. I went to Sprint Store last week to upgrade my phones, there was a Verizon employee that wanted to sign up for sprint for his family and himself and he was working at Verizon corp Store! I think that’s just a shame for Verizon and as far some other people that keep saying I didn’t have a good experience they properly dropped their phone in water and of course wasn’t their fault and they didn’t get insurance, so they expect Sprint to give them a new phone for free. That actually happened when I was in the store!

posted on 24 Nov 2010, 10:30

37. loco64 (Posts: 10; Member since: 04 Jun 2010)


I ONLY HAVE ONE THING TO SAY TO ALL OF YOUSE!!!!


"NET10"

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