Share Everything plans arriving June 28 on Verizon, unlimited talk and text plus 2GB data for $100 a month
1. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Virgin Mobile gives its customers 10 GB of WiMax and 2 GB of 3G data for $35 a month. That makes Verizon's deal look insane. If I pay a one time fee of $150 for the mobile hotspot at Virgin, I get more data for a much lower no contract monthly payment.
I think Verizon needs to get more in touch with reality.
5. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Price wise virgin is a good deal, but wimax won't last long after sprint abandons it (which it has started doing) and Clearwire/Clear has to maintain it on its own.
13. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
10gb of slow.. yay virgin...
you can get 10 gb of 42mb/s 4g from Tmobile for $60.
107. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
When you read these comments, it's so easy to spot those that drank the kool-aid.
1. 42 Mbps is the top speed, neither the constant nor average speed. I have a 4G LTE hotspot with Verizon and I average 4 to 8 Mbps on a sustained basis with burst of 12 to 15 Mbps. And during peak hours, I am lucky to get 2 Mbps. I know my speeds because I always connect via VZAccess Manager when I am on my laptop plus I can download the log of my sessions. Therefore, looking at the top speed is just plain silly. It's just stupid to buy a Ferrari if most of the driving occurs when the speed limit is 30 mph because the "network" is congested.
2. My contract 4G data with Verizon requires that I spend $50 a month over two years. That means each month, I am out $50 whether I consume 1 Mb or 5,120 Mb (recall there are 1,024 Mb per Gb). Since the $50 is fixed each month, unless I consume as much as 5,120 MB without going over, then that minimizes my cost to about 1 cent per Mb of data. Therefore, since there are no rollover data plans, you want to spend the least amount each month, other things being equal.
3. Also, the people who are educated understand that there are only 168 hours in a week (7*24). The network is generally congested from say 8 am to 6 pm (about 10 hours a day) Mondays to Fridays or 50 hours of the week. Then most typical people sleep 8 hours a day (say 11 pm to 7 am) or 56 hours in a week. That means out of the original 168 hours in the week, you're not going to get great speed during the 50 hours when the network is congest and you are not going to get great speed for the other 56 hours that you are asleep. That means you are enjoying that really, really fast speed for only 62 hours of the week. 62 hours is only 36.9% of the 168 hour week. Again, so much for the Ferrari argument.
For some of us who wants 10 GB of data at an average speed of 3 to 6 Mbps with burst of 10 Mbps, only want to pay $35 a month on a no contract basis, it makes sense. And with the money we saved, we could buy the New iPad or some other nice electronic toy.
If you really did get sustained speeds of 42 Mbps, then that translates into 2,520 Mbp minute or 2.46 Gbp minute and you would consume 10 GB of data in almost four minutes. Food for thought.
119. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you know what ardent..
that was the most blatherous over reaching arguement ive seen in a while.
you can do all the math you want to justify it. but hey, why dont u just say " this is what I feel like spending with my wallet"? That would be so much easier. Because u know what? Facts are against you. National test after national test pegs Tmobile just barely behind VZW in speed. Spring is ALWAYS last place, thus so is Virgin since they roam off of Sprint.
Dude, I run a 3g SGS1 on Tmobile, and I average 3-5 during PEAK times. It's all about where you live. And in Jville where I live, Tmobile has it covered. point blank.. period. Whenever I've run a test on the 42mb capable phones like the Samsung Blaze, i get between 10-30mpb/s, PEAK.
The plans are cheap enough, the speeds are fast enough, and I have enough wiggle room with gettin the phones that I want on the carrier or international... that I'm happy. Come on over, the water is fine.
131. cfprelude (Posts: 137; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
hey remix - followed ur comments for a long time but didn't realize u were from jville too. I've been wondering about tmobile for a while... on vzw with grandfathered unlimited data on two lines and then a "dumb phone" for the kid.... the new shared data plans don't kill us but we certainly don't benefit... i think it'll go up by about $10/month for the amount of data we use. anyway, hows the 4g coverage been around here when you've used 4g capable phones? I've been with vzw so long but have been out of contract on 2 of the 3 lines for a while. Anyway - interested in hearing your first hand thoughts for this area.
35. thedarkside (Posts: 652; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
yay wimax... i remember my first cell phone.
105. items17070 (Posts: 70; Member since: 20 Dec 2011)
i wouldnt saysloooowww.., i have clearwire unlimited apollo 4G wimax, and i get at least 10 - 12mbps DL, i wouldnt exacly call that slow..... and only for $40month and yes unlimited,, and verizon isnt that much faster, not enough to justify my $40unlimited wimax at 10 - 12mbps, but i have to agree ardent1 is right about verizon does need to throw consumers a bone or two! they are still in the dark ages with there pricing....makes me wonder what they will offer with advanced LTE with speed of 100mbps or higher! hope maybe they will have a brain fart and get past the 5gb barrier for mifi's and even cell phones...
86. VZAZGuy (Posts: 6; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)
All because you can't afford to drive a Ferrari, doesn't mean that you need to hate on other companies. Does Virgin mobile have 4G? WiMax by the way is garbage and you should compare the speeds sometime!
92. ApphoIe (banned) (Posts: 78; Member since: 31 May 2012)
LMFAO, yeah, you go on rocking your pre paid plan and thinking you're getting one over on the contract carriers. I'm sure everyone who bought a Geo Metro thought they were way smarter than people buying real cars. You totally get what you pay for, and in the case of virging mobile (LOL) customers, you're paying for cheap sub par crap.
2. dcgore (Posts: 225; Member since: 24 Feb 2012)
The more devices one has the bigger the benefit. But as a single smartphone user you'll take a big hit compared to the old plans.
23. danwatson (Posts: 117; Member since: 03 Jan 2012)
Assuming you don't hit the 10GB limit... and if you use a LTE tablet for video streaming, good luck after adding a couple devices. This plan sucks in just about every way.
44. iami67 (Posts: 318; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
its not a ten gig limit u can get more this is only have a leaked shot vzw website has more. the prices thos are crazy and dcgore u are incorrect the more smart phones u have the more u are paying and a lot more you are paying. unless your one of the few who has a smart phone and does not use data. Thank you verizon for having the biggest 4g coverage with no data allowed
106. items17070 (Posts: 70; Member since: 20 Dec 2011)
LOL, love that 'Thank you verizon for having the biggest 4g coverage with no data allowed' aint that the truth!!! hey VZAZGu nothing like having a Ferrari and you CANT drive it! :-)
3. ajac09 (Posts: 1480; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
Virign also sells devices at full price not a contract price. Verizon makes its money back on devices by offering a 2 year contract and the price of Verizon you get much better data speeds and much larger coverage area. Want some of the best data speeds and coverage? you will pay. If your in an area where Virgin/sprint/boost work well then you are lucky . But AT&T isnt much more then sprint and though have limited data work great. Now I wonder what AT&T tiered plans will be like
93. ApphoIe (banned) (Posts: 78; Member since: 31 May 2012)
Virgin also sells handsets that are 2-3 years behind the contract carriers offerings for MORE than a current top of the line contract phone. $200 for an LG optimus (LMFAO) or $149 for an HTC One X, gee that's a real tough decision...
108. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
> Virgin also sells handsets that are 2-3 years behind the contract carriers offerings for MORE than a current top of the line contract phone.
That's simply not true.
1. Virgin will soon be selling the iPhone 4S and iPhone 4, which is hardly 2-3 years behind the current top of the line contract phone.
2. The correct way to evaluate a no-contract versus contract phone is via a discount cash flow analysis. I, for one, refuse to pay $80 a month over 24 months (that is $1,920 in payments) just to save $300 to $350 off the list price of a new phone like the HTC One X -- no way, Jose!!
3. I have two cellphones: (a) Moto Triumph that I paid $300 and I only pay $25 a month for 300 anytime minutes and 2.5 GB of 3G data and (b) Samsung basic phone that is on a prepaid plan on Verizon where I get unlimited Verizon to Verizon calls for $1 a day -- most of my friends and family are on Verizon.
My cell phone bill is only $300 a year for Virgin and $100 a year for Verizon for a total of $400. I actually pay less because I take advantage of discounted top-up cards when they go on sale -- I generally pay a 10% discount meaning my real annual cell phone bill is more like $360 a year. At $80 a month for a two-year contract, I would have paid $960 so I am saving $600 a year by my approach.
115. JunitoNH (Posts: 1585; Member since: 15 Feb 2012)
With Verizon is a non winning proposition. If you were to buy your own device outright, you still have to pay the same prices as post paid subscribers. You only advantages is that your not locked to a two year agreement.
4. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Paying the same for less... Verizon doesn't get it. I hope AT&T's shared data plans offer 5GB to share and include unlimited messaging and start at like $100 for first 2 lines and just $10 more for a phone and maybe $20 for a data-only device...
7. tedkord (Posts: 9867; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
They won't. AT&T will closely mirror Verizon's prices.
22. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Oh I know. Have offered the same pricing for years, but the prices sometimes get you something slightly different. For instance AT&T offers unlimited mobile to any mobile with its unlimited messaging, and 3GB for $30 versus verizon's 2GB for $30. 150% for the same price. I doubt that AT&T offers 5GB on the initial setup, but as long as they price-match with 3GB that will keep things competitive.
Personally I had thought the goal of shared data was to let customers use more data on multiple devices for the same or less than what they pay individually. This new setup is kinda backwards
46. iami67 (Posts: 318; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
I agree new price are backwards and over priced. if i want to add a smartphone to my plans its min 60 a month more. 2 gigs of data a month are already not enough
73. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
4G LTE devices get 4GB for 30.00 with VZW
94. ApphoIe (banned) (Posts: 78; Member since: 31 May 2012)
Double the data promotion has ended or is ending soon iirc
6. tedkord (Posts: 9867; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
So, at the minimum my cost for my three smartphones goes up $30/month (If i take the 2/gb per phone share). Of course, I'd need to get the 10gb share, so I'm actually looking at $50/mo more. Thanks for looking out for me, Verizon.
I have two choices now, since two of my three smartphones don't have upgrades until late July - buy devices full price, or go Sprint or prepaid.
8. tward291 (Posts: 559; Member since: 14 Feb 2012)
wow what a rip off i was at walmart the other day and saw a verizon prepaid 80 bucks a month for unlimited talk text and 1GB of data. now that is truly a rip off i cant believe people will pay that thats as much as my contract.
on a second note, it would be cool if one of these companies did data rollover. so the data you didnt use last month rolls to the next month. and they let it add up for up to six months i would def pay more for that plan.
9. dcgore (Posts: 225; Member since: 24 Feb 2012)
Truly a rip off. They shouldn't charge for the first device, then you'll save some money. I can't believe that if i had no phones/devices attached to the account, i would have to pay at the very least $50. CRAZY!
12. LostInTheRed (Posts: 85; Member since: 03 May 2012)
Not to be that guy, but why would you have a contract with a phone company with no phones/devices?
47. iami67 (Posts: 318; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Your reading this incorrectly the 50 is for data. so if you have a smart phone the cheapest plan is 90 thank verizon. you can get a basic phone and plan still for 70 300 mbs data
11. droid4all (Posts: 17; Member since: 13 Feb 2011)
Adding it up, my bill would go down $18 per month. If I took my 2 lines to the 6GB Plan. That's a drop of $216 off my yearly VZW Bill. Hey, I'll take it lol.
17. LostInTheRed (Posts: 85; Member since: 03 May 2012)
And odds are you don't have unlimited mins now.
20. droid4all (Posts: 17; Member since: 13 Feb 2011)
Nope, I have 1400 Min. So there's another benefit. I can start talking more.
66. centuro1911 (Posts: 12; Member since: 24 Feb 2012)
So there is no benefit. It's not like he's going to start talking more on the phone all of the sudden. Also VZW has been giving unlimited calls to any cell phone already. So that only helps landline calls which are few and far between.
81. millkim3 (Posts: 5; Member since: 30 May 2012)
Verizon has not offered an unlimited 'any' mobile to mobile. It has always been a strictly VZW to VZW mobile to mobile. I sell for them. Trust me.
95. jburris020 (Posts: 17; Member since: 28 Nov 2011)
In certain markets that plan is offered. I work for VZW adn I am in a market that is currently offering the promotion for mobile to any mobile calling.
124. droid4all (Posts: 17; Member since: 13 Feb 2011)
There is a benefit, my bill would go down $18 per month. That's called a reduction in spending cost. All aside, no I am not going to start talking more, but I could always use paying less while getting the same if not more of what I already have.
14. joey18 (Posts: 589; Member since: 20 Jul 2010)
Wao thas over price 50 for 1 g what att will offer i dont know sprint or tmo big winers
98. ApphoIe (banned) (Posts: 78; Member since: 31 May 2012)
1. "Your" (we capitalize the first letter of a sentence in most places in the world)
2. The word you wnated was "sucks", not "suck".
3. It's so awesome when someone calls someone out on their grammar and has multiple grammatical errors. Thanks for that.
133. hepresearch (unregistered)
Wow... the first victim was called out for bad grammar, the first caller was called out by another for bad grammar and spelling, and, finally, the second caller was also called out by another for bad spelling. Wow... that was three victims and three callers, for a total of four distinct participants in a single grammar/spelling correction string... LOL!
15. LostInTheRed (Posts: 85; Member since: 03 May 2012)
Overall, some people may see a slight increase (the couple of examples I did went up $10), but you're also going from 700 shared mins to Unlimited, which shouldn't be TOO much of a problem. I could still see some people getting upset though. As for a single line, I feel they should still offer some kind of limited minute plan to save people money. Right now you can get 450 mins, Unlimited Text, and 2GB for $90. While only a $10 increase, I know I don't use anywhere close to 450 mins in a month.
48. iami67 (Posts: 318; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Most people dont need or want unlimted mins most people want less plans for mins as it is. This is a huge problem.
16. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
ok.. am I the only one that thinks that their share plans are completely convoluted? And people thought Tmobile's value plan was slightly confusing when it first dropped. Good luck explaining all that to customers, VZW reps. lol.
It also doesnt even seem like a deal at all when you start adding things in. Yea its slightly cheaper... or is it? Screw it.. i dont feel like rereading it 4 times to figure out the math. Someone tell me how much it would cost to share 10gig between 2 smartphones and have a 3rd regular phone. Is there anything between 450mins and unlimited? Is that shared or per phone? lol.
21. Phylthy101 (Posts: 6; Member since: 06 May 2012)
2 smart phones $40 ea.
1 Basic $30
10G Data $100
Total cost $210 Mo.
What you get Unlimited Talk & Text on all phone and share 10GB of Data, That is a seriously high amount of data for 2 smartphones and 1 basic though.
49. iami67 (Posts: 318; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
thats not much data at all with all the new apps liek cloud services and slingbox i avg ten by myself and double that durring football season. why offer the products if your not goin to offer the service
58. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
yea.. still to high. thanks for the math though.
i can get the same thing.. 2 unlimited talk/text smartphones w/ 5gigs each, and a 3rd regular line with 500min/unl text for $135 on Tmobile and there is no such thing as overage.
132. cfprelude (Posts: 137; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
this is exactly what i would have/need... i'm looking on tmobile.com.... how would i get this deal though?
28. LostInTheRed (Posts: 85; Member since: 03 May 2012)
10GB with 2 Smart, 1 Basic would cost $100 for base + $80 for 2 Smart + $30 for Basic. $210.
38. thedarkside (Posts: 652; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
yay... i get to explain anew plan structure to people. great... thanks vzw.
50. iami67 (Posts: 318; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
worse part about this remix is if you want to add a smart phone to your plan its 40 more a month but then u share the 10 gigs or 60 a month and add 2 gigs its way over priced and they are going to be losing my three lines if they force me to switch,.
18. Phylthy101 (Posts: 6; Member since: 06 May 2012)
Honestly if you have multiple lines with smartphones this could be a savings for you, take mine for instance we have 4 smartphones paying an extra $120 a mo. just in data that we all don't use and getting 2000 shre min. adding mine up would save me $40 a mo. on 4 smart phones with the 6GB plan and add Unlimited talking .... hell ya I'll take it thats $480 savings in a year.
Understandably to some this would be expensie with one smartphone but the way things are going most everyone is going to smartphones and paying alot for data thats not being used. So for those with multiple smartphones this a big benefit.
32. Jango_Fred (Posts: 58; Member since: 17 Dec 2008)
I concur...but "Multiple lines with smartphones is the ONLY situation where you'll save money. The person with multiple lines and only one of them a smartphone, is going to get raped.
19. RushFan2112 (Posts: 26; Member since: 16 Jun 2011)
Definitely not worth it for me.
For roughly the same cost...
Now: (4 smartphones)
700 voice minutes (NEVER have come close to using them all in a month)
14 GB (4+4+4+2) data
Share Everything plan:
Unlimited voice minutes (useless)
Unlimited text (no change)
8 GB data (loss of 6GB!!!)
I wanted a true shared data option for ANY minute plan.
VERIZON, YOU FAILED BIG TIME.
96. jburris020 (Posts: 17; Member since: 28 Nov 2011)
You have a valid point in some areas but one area in which I think people are not thinking about is even now that you do have 14 total gigs your phones cannot share them all. Each phone is limited to its own allowance. With the new plans each line on the account gets the ability to use the total amount of data. This may or may not benefit you however to feel as if you have 14gb of usable data isn't entirely accurate since each line is capped at a seperate point.
24. iami67 (Posts: 318; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
this article is very confusing. What is written is diferent then what is in the picture. The article says a hundred a month for a smartphone with data. but also writes a smart is only forty then 60 more for data. Are they written that data will be optional. sounds like it. But if you go by the picture then the cheapest plans is 50 for a smartphone which for a single plan is nice