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Samsung shows interest in Apple's deal with HTC

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Samsung shows interest in Apple's deal with HTC
Last weekend, Apple and HTC announced that they had reached agreement on a ten-year pact that involves cross-licensing patents, and the immediate halting of patent litigation between the two. While terms of the deal were not disclosed, the Wall Street Journal reported that HTC was to pay Apple as part of the agreement.

"As you know, the issue of Apple's willingness to license its patents was briefed in Samsung's opposition to Apple's motion for permanent injunction. This license has direct bearing on the question of irreparable harm and whether monetary remedies are adequate."-Robert Becher, Attorney representing Samsung
Apple's main rival, Samsung, is interested in taking a look at the agreement that Apple signed with HTC. Samsung wants to know if two of the patents involved in its battle with the Cupertino crew, '381 and '915 are part of the licensing agreement with HTC. The '381 has to do with the bounce-back effect and the '915 deals with scrolling and zooming. Samsung also wants to know if there are patents that Apple tossed into the agreement that it doesn't license to other firms. Apple patent licensing director Boris Teksler calls those rarely made-available parts of Apple's IP portfolio as the "untouchables".
 
Samsung has asked the court to make a ruling on whether it can obtain a copy of the document by November 27th. There is some speculation that Samsung and Apple will eventually reach a settlement of their own. A judge has just allowed both tech giants to add each other's newest flagship smartphones to their second patent battle in San Jose while a post-trial hearing is scheduled for December 6th on issues pertaining to the first trial. Samsung seeks a new trial while Apple wants a permanent injunction placed on eight Samsung models.

source: CNET

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posted on 17 Nov 2012, 00:13 4

1. mercorp (Posts: 967; Member since: 28 Jan 2012)


Why are they backtracking their words about fighting with apple?
Afraid that they will lose apple's demand for parts?

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 00:19 17

2. XPERIA-KNIGHT (Posts: 2384; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)


naa its not about coward ness here.....seems more like "doing the right thing" here bro.........

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 09:40 4

26. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5527; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


I doubt Sammy is looking for a licensing opportunity. More like using Apple's refusal to license the untouchable patents as a way to underscore how unreasonable Apple is.

What will be more interesting would be to see the details of the Apple-MS and Apple-Nokia cross licensing agreements. I suspect Apple's untouchable patents are included in those agreements, which would further undermine Apple's argument that they don't license their untouchable patents.

As I posted in an earlier article, stock up on popcorn and beer, 'cause this little pissing match ain't over yet. Nothing like both companies going thermo-nuclear on the other.

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 00:43 23

3. Sniggly (Posts: 6695; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Actually, it sounds like they want legal ammo to throw in Apple's face when the appeals begin.

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 00:48 6

5. blackspot (Posts: 102; Member since: 14 Nov 2012)


Yeah, I don't see any end to this Apple/ Samsung dispute anytime soon. Honestly, I'm getting kind of tired of it.

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 02:36

8. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 3213; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


They should go the easy route and just do a licensing agreement. If you're going to copy someone then you should pony up the fees and dues.

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 02:41 17

9. tedkord (Posts: 4263; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


And how much are Apple paying LG for the Prada?

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 05:46 8

12. SGSatlantis (Posts: 205; Member since: 20 Jul 2011)


Hehe, nice one:)

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 08:03 7

19. andro. (Posts: 1935; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)


Whoooa calm down!!! Don't bring up the LG Prada lol,i was banned for a week before for saying the Prada was unveiled to the world a couple of months before iphone. Despite quoting records from wiki etc showing this historically is the case the moderator insisted quite angrily that "Lg Prada was announced AFTER the iphone"

All that aside this patent war is getting beyond the ridiculous but unfortunately Apple opened a can of worms when they really should have just got the head down and tried to compete like everyone else

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 09:07 2

25. Aeires (unregistered)


That's messed up. Even if you were wrong, if they banned people for posting comments for being wrong, there'd be no one left here to comment.

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 13:44

31. dorianb (Posts: 347; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)


LG Prada the REAL Jesus phone of 2007.

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 06:50 4

15. someones4 (Posts: 618; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)


Give it a rest. Samsung will do no such thing.

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 20:31

36. joey_sfb (Posts: 2503; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


You might as well ask apple to pay for your food and housing as you are doing their promotion full time.

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 08:04 1

20. OptimusOne (Posts: 694; Member since: 22 May 2012)


actually? WHY CAN'T EVERYONE LIVE IN PEACE AND STOP FIGHTING?

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 13:48

32. blackspot (Posts: 102; Member since: 14 Nov 2012)


Unfortunately, that's just human nature.

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 18:01

34. someones4 (Posts: 618; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)


Well, first off, it's not your billions of dollars at stake.

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 18:23 1

35. blackspot (Posts: 102; Member since: 14 Nov 2012)


Yeah, but Apple's actions have been speaking louder than their products as of late.

posted on 18 Nov 2012, 03:10

37. someones4 (Posts: 618; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)


owh... thought you are asking samsung to quit the bttle

posted on 18 Nov 2012, 19:32

39. xtremesv (Posts: 188; Member since: 21 Oct 2011)


Same thought.

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 08:16 2

21. taz89 (Posts: 2008; Member since: 03 May 2011)


They are not back peddling far from it. They want to know the deal so they can use it against them in court.. This article tries to portray that Samsung is looking for deal but if you tread other articles you will know they are not

posted on 18 Nov 2012, 12:59

38. tedkord (Posts: 4263; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


If you read other articles, you will know that during negotiations, Apple offered to pay one tenth of one cent per device for actual tech thata phone won't work without, but demanded in excess of $20 per device for shapes and colors.

It didn't matter what Samsung did, Apple had no intention of licensing anything, but rather intended to use their spurious patents to ban their biggest competitor.

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 13:01

30. -box- (Posts: 3707; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


It's a.good idea. If apple is OK with HTC paying (for example) $5 per handset for all patents, Samsung could use that as a counter to the amount stated per handset during their trial with apple. That would be "fair and reasonable" (if they don't get the whole verdict tossed).

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 00:46 2

4. MC1123 (Posts: 1229; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)


sneaky samsung...sneaky! :P

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 00:49 1

6. mercorp (Posts: 967; Member since: 28 Jan 2012)


I guess you were all right..

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 01:01 6

7. ElektronicGeek91 (Posts: 105; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)


I thought this article was about Samsung making an agreement with Apple.....phew. I was going to be PISSED!

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 06:51 3

16. someones4 (Posts: 618; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)


Yeah. the title was really misleading. apparently, the deal is just a guideline for Samsung on what NOT to do.

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 04:02 2

10. Kronic (banned) (Posts: 321; Member since: 11 Sep 2012)


Losersung!!!

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 04:07 5

11. tedkord (Posts: 4263; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Sam-one. Number one smartphone manufacturer by quite a bit, selling phones with the number one mobile OS by an awful lot.

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 10:06

27. Bernoulli (Posts: 1432; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)


Don't forget they sell the most amount of smartphones around the globe

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 10:15 1

29. darkkjedii (Posts: 10079; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


And u guys said that to say what? That news is well known at this point.

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 10:06

28. Bernoulli (Posts: 1432; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)


Samson for you!

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 06:20 4

13. abish1234 (Posts: 51; Member since: 22 Oct 2011)


is it just me or phone arena is really slow in reporting news.. (-.-)

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 06:28 3

14. i_hate_my_life (banned) (Posts: 24; Member since: 17 Dec 2010)


its weekend dude....

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 07:45

17. RapidCat (Posts: 351; Member since: 12 Jun 2012)


HTC not pay to Apple, consumer who buy HTC product who pays.
Like what HTC ans Samdung doing when pay microsoft $5-15. they never pay microsoft. but we are who buy their product.

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 08:02 1

18. JGuinan007 (Posts: 619; Member since: 19 May 2011)


Are you saying that since HTC has to pay Apple $20 for every android phone it sells HTC is then going to raise the price of it's phones by $20 to cover that and that we as customers of HTC are really the ones paying Apple? Well if thats the case I refuse to buy HTC and will only buy Samsung, I refuse to give money to Apple.

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 09:02

24. mayur007 (Posts: 356; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)


yes it happens in every kind of product

Not just a phone other products too , not on patent but on others like advertisment,

If they started paying from there pockets then how they are gng to earn much

they charge everytime, thats include in there profit margin ...

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 08:36 1

22. LostInTheRed (Posts: 85; Member since: 03 May 2012)


Wait a second! Wasn't the "Bounce Back" or "Rubberbanding" patent INVALIDATED by the patent office? If it was, how are they able to enforce a license agreement and ask for money? Someone clear this up for me please.

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 08:56

23. mayur007 (Posts: 356; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)


i likes the approach of SS , but i didnt like the approach of Apple at all ,

What i think is SS wont make a deal bcoz in previous article SS said that they are preparing for war.

Better have patent exchange system , choose innovation not law suite.

posted on 17 Nov 2012, 16:40

33. roscuthiii (Posts: 1785; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


Live by the pen, die by the pen... Man, dying by pen really does seem to take forever!

Someone please just drop down the Thunderdome and bust out the swords to usher all this along.

posted on 24 Nov 2012, 04:26

40. rusticguy (Posts: 2818; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


And Samsung gets the right to see the details of the deal. Surprising PA didn't report this .... not sure why though :)

http://www.zdnet.com/samsung-wins-right-to-view-apple-htc-deal-7000007730/

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