Qualcomm roadmap shows 2.5 GHz quad-core chips due next year
12. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5975; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
I wonder how competition and innovation in the CPU segment would be impacted if one of the competitors were merged into another? There are analogies to the AT&T-Mobile combination, folks.
2. dns (unregistered)
is S4 based on Cortex A15 ?
5. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
no, Qualcomm doesnt use Cortex base designs the way Nvidia, Ti, and Samsung does. They have "similar" aspects but they are not the same. Their chip design is called "Krait", which they say is supposed to be as strong or stronger than the current xbox360 in gaming performance when clocked up. Time will tell though.
The 2nd Gen Nvidia Kal-El chips named Wayne and Grey(son) :) (i think they like superhero identity names.. lol) are supposed to be based off of the A15 design. The Kal- El is still A9 based.
4. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)
Cortex A15 is Samsung and Texas Inst. processor.
7. nyamo (Posts: 274; Member since: 19 Mar 2011)
probably not, but people tend to think faster is better. personally i'm just hoping that with more cores comes better power conservation. time will tell
8. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
yes. just because u cant invision a use for this type of power doesnt mean one doesnt exist.. or will exist. In order to create, you must first have the proper tools.. a chipset is the tool.
9. Joshing4fun (Posts: 1060; Member since: 13 Aug 2010)
Dual core phones haven't even been optimized yet. Heck, my 1ghz phone still runs flawlessly with zero lag.
20. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
As remixfa always likes to remind people: dual-core optimization is coming with ICS next month (or next year if you have to wait for the update from your manufacturer)
27. Joshing4fun (Posts: 1060; Member since: 13 Aug 2010)
If it's gonna take that long for dual-core phones to be optimized then just imagine how long it'd take for quad-core...
Also i love how phonearena staff (actually, just you) also make comments.
10. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4498; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
I have been telling people this for a while, Qualcomm makes great chip sets. Their S4 will be based on the 28 nm technology & will be clocked at an astounding 2.5 GHz for both dual & quad-cores. That is amazing. I can't wait until those S4 phones start to come out in 2012. I really hope the new HTC Evo comes with that massive S4 chip! The Krait S4 is going to be killer!
11. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the s2 and s3 sucked compared to the competition. Hopefully they learned their lesson and this time next year we will be crowning a new king. I love a good stiff competition. Dont expect the 2.5ghz to come out anytime soon. thats its max clock speed, so we probably wont see that till near its EoL, much like we are just now starting to see 1.5ghz S3 chipsets, which is the max that they will be clocked out of the box.
14. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4498; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
You are 100% right, the S2 & S3 are the weakest out of a close bunch. The average user won’t be able to tell the difference between an S3, Tegra 2, OMAP or Exynos. We can because we are VERY picky but they all work very admirably. The Krait chip set won't be based on the old tech they have been using so I feel confident that the S4 will be the an excellent chip. Hey we should have the 2.5 GHz, 28 nm, quad-core S4 chips this time next year so that isn’t so bad! That is a true PC in the palm of your hand! The people at Qualcomm are very talented. It's impressive that their S2 & S3 chips with their old tech can still hang, & are not obsolete!
15. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
lol, i completely agree about the True PC in your palm part, but imma have to disagree on the obsolete part. Maybe its just me, but to me whatever is in last place in horsepower is obsolete. :)
Ive actually had quite a few people come back and complain of choppyness and slow down on their S3 equipped Sensations. I dont know if Sense 3.0 is just that much of a hog, but if your running a dual core, choppiness should be a distant memory. Someone here said they had CM7 equipped on their sensation.. was that you?
I'm assuming its a Sense thing (normally bad codes will slow down the even the most powerful archetecture), but I'd like to see one stock and one with sense to really get a feel for the difference.
18. ngo2dd (Posts: 815; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
The S2 is as faster or faster the the hummingbird. But the hummingbird has a better GPU. If you look at smart-bench or antutu, then you will see the CPU are the similar.
23. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
imma try not to shoot milk out my nose laughing, ngo.
When you break down the individual benchmarks into their elements, the only thing that the snapdragon has is its I/O score, which is nearly useless at this point. Its super inflated. A snapdragon gets something like 15-30mflops in I/O where a hummingbird gets like 6-10. The hummingbird nails it in every other category though, which is why it gets a higher over all score. If scores had a multiplier to emphasis or de-emphasis certain scores (by what is actually important) the difference between the two would be greater.
Also, you have to ignore me sometimes, as i am a chip snob.. lol.
26. s (unregistered)
When it's said that a 1 Ghz dual core Krait will beat a quad core 1 Ghz Cortex A9 design, I think they have a design win.
29. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the Krait is quadcore only i beleive. And i sincerely hope that Qualcomm pulled their head out of their butts and went for the championship. I have no allegance to any company. I just go for whats the most powerful. If Krait knocks my socks off, I'll be buying that one next. Whatever is the most powerful. For the last 2 designs, its been Samsung by far.
Neither Kal El or Krait are ready for prime time yet, so whatever performance they have now isnt always what they will have when it launches. The Exynos chip performed horribly in beta and turned on the turbos for its launch. Drivers make a world of difference.
35. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4498; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Damn remixfa that is hardcore. The S3 chips are the weakest but it doesn't mean they are obsolete. Those chips can do 4G LTE, HSPA+ better than the other chips so they do have their advantages over the competition. To go as far & say that they are obsolete is very hardcore.
I know you are a chips snob, but the S2/S3 are not obsolete. If they were HTC, Samsung & countless others would not be using them.
Trust me the HTC Sense is a huge hog. It's a graphically intense UI. Stock Android & CM7 are not like the HTC Sense. My HTC Evo 3D is way faster without HTC Sense than with.
36. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
if it were up to samsung, they wouldnt be using them. That was a Tmobile decision to want the faster 42mb/s speed, and as of right now the radio on the exynos cant do that.
A minor flaw in a nearly flawless chip. :)
SAE, its hard for me to swallow the OMAP processor in the Nexus Prime even though its concidered the #2 chip. Thats just the way I roll. We all want what we want. I tend to research things to a compulsive level and when i get focused on something its hard for me to go to something else. Ive been holding out for this long for an Exynos powered superphone. Ive never had a phone as long as I have now, which is my SGS1 that i got when it launched in july of 2010. Sad, yes, but thats one of the benefits of being in the industry. At least its an exellent phone.
Oddly enough, my education is in medicine and not electronics. lol
37. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4498; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
I totally respect your opinions, I am finally getting versed in the wonders of the processors & I truly get what you are saying. I know the Exynos is the best, I am getting the Samsung Epic 4G Touch for my wife & I WILL root the beast to see it's true potential. I have to say my HTC Evo 3D rooted with CM7 alpha is no slouch, the S3 packs some punch not like an Exynos would on CM7 but at least is VERY competent! The S3 is not as bad as you make it.
39. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
if ur wife doesnt like it, u could always donate it to me :) :)
40. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
and yes.. root the bastard and have a good time with it. samsung encourages it (remember they gave the cyanogenmod free SGS2's so they would make a great rom for it)
42. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4498; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
I know, I am salivating like a dog who is waiting for a slice of bologna. I just want to see for myself the real deal Samsung Galaxy S II's Exynos 1.2 GHz dual-core rooted & overclocked @ almost 2.0 GHz on CM7 flexing the most powerful muscles in this very Earth we live in. I just want to say I have seen it, used it, & have it!
(Wow I got very dramatic!) lol
43. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
lolol. now your starting to sound like me.. good luck with the OCD over clocking madness :)
13. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)
*patiently waits for samsung to announce their chip, because it's better*
16. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
samsung is normally last to the party because they like to make an entrance.. and your right, its because its almost always better.
17. bucky (Posts: 1599; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
this is getting rediculous now. android started well by introducing a few rules to its OS (ICS) but the faster things move the more of a detterent it will be for devs to make apps. I can understand now, why the iphone has such amazing apps and dev following. there are 20 different screen types, 50 different processors and gpu's and 6 different sizes of screens to dev for in android.
I love my sgs2 but im curious what the new iphone 5 will have to offer for these reasons.
19. tech-head (Posts: 132; Member since: 02 Sep 2011)
Android: Super Fragmented
IOS: Boring as ****
WP7: Not sure about the future.(leaning towards this though. love Zune)
I don't know what my nest phone will be. :(
21. bucky (Posts: 1599; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
i couldnt have put it better myself! Even with android i enjoy flashing for the first little while but that gets boring and tedious. Might be returning to the iphone but im afraid ill get seriously bored!
32. Engrish Teacher (unregistered)
May I suggest something with an automatic spellchecker? =P
33. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 805; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)
The only sure thing with iPhone5/4s is that it they wont have "the ability to create diamonds out of thin air.* which an S4 powered device will be capable of. . . ;-)
25. toaster (Posts: 114; Member since: 13 Sep 2011)
Please enlighten me as to what we could possibly need to do on our phones to actually need to harness all of this power. Dual cores... fair enough, but quad cores are kind of jumping the shark.
30. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
in order to have something that can harness that power, they need to first have the tools availible for the masses, otherwise no developer will make anything for it.
We are just now starting to see the leap in app quality from developers making dual core optimized apps. When Quad cores launch, you will see another leap in quality.
Remember, electronics are tested and developed 2-4+ years ahead of when they are launched to the public. We may not be able to see all the pieces of the puzzle as to why we need that horsepower. Windows 8 tablet NEEDS that horsepower to be win7 compatable. Who knows what Android 5.0 will be able to do. These chips also wont be common till mid to late 2012, so its not like its going to be tomorrow.
28. awaitingandroid (Posts: 3; Member since: 13 Jul 2011)
Why are they trying to get to quad core so fast instead focus on dual core chips it just barely came out! They need to improve dual core chips because they are not even at full potential yet also how is the battery life going to be with a quad core chip
31. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
if you believe some of the preliminary reports, exponentially better. they are based on smaller chip designs which use much less power, and when your doing something basic like texting it will turn off 3 of the 4 cores to save even more. all 4 cores wont be on at all times unless needed
34. andro. (Posts: 1974; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
expect chips of this power to feature in iphones in 2015 and they will change everything again
38. anirudhshirsat97 (Posts: 406; Member since: 24 May 2011)
Sorry can't help it but.....
Can it run crysis?? :-D
41. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
maybe crisis 1.. in low res mode.. lol Probably have to wait for quad cores to mature before we get to really answer that question. :)