Moto E: is this the end of the feature phone?
1. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
If it's tough, and can last a day or two on a charge without fear, yes.
Might actually see it dent WPs market stronghold, ouch.
17. buccob (Posts: 2566; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)
I don't really think that Motorola in particular could kill the feature phone... but I voted yes, because Motorola HAS started trends in the past...
The Waterproof Android trend was started by them..... then Sony made it popular
The bigger than 3.5" screen was also very influenced by the Droid... then Samsung made it popular
The fingerprint scanner on Smartphone started with the Atrix... then Apple followed and made it popular
So, in conclusion I do believe that Moto is going to start something that other Manufacturers will follow and probably execute better...
53. sgodsell (Posts: 3633; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
I think the moto e is just starting out at the starting price of $129, but rest assured if you can get a moto g right now for $99 at some places. Then it will take very little time when you will be able to pick up a moto e for less then $60-$70. Therefore bringing the moto e down to feature phone pricing.
31. Brewski (Posts: 350; Member since: 05 Jun 2012)
Motorola started the cell phone. Nokia made it popular.
I also voted yes, I think feature phones will die soon and this will push it in that direction.
42. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
I had a scanner on a LG Expo/IQ with WM 6.5, back in the day.
First phone with a scanner an 1ghz snapdragon.
Just pointing that small bit out, otherwise I agree.
45. buccob (Posts: 2566; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)
Fair enough / Well let's say Fingerprint scanner on Android phones....
And to be honest, the one on the Atrix is the only feature I really REALLY miss... specially its location and design on the phone...
it was perfect to have the phone upside/down in my pocket and then in one move I could slide it out, power and unlocked before reaching my face...
Some people had trouble with the sensor, but that was probably the only thing that never failed on my Moto.. it still works (thankfully, since the digitizer broke and its the only way to unlock it now)
46. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
For the record I wanted to scoop an Atrix in the day,but carrier availability killed that for me.
My LG is still in perfect order other then lessened battery, used that pico projector too on it, but sold that to a bud.
That was kind of fun.
47. buccob (Posts: 2566; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)
Well the quality issues with the Moto was the reason I changed to Sony... (my wife had a SE Xperia Pro at the time, and it was/is durable)... so then we both got the Acro S... and the only problem I have with it is a faulty accelerometer sensor... other than that it is the toughest Android I have had... Hers is working perfectly even though she take less care of it than I do.
I wish resilence was something manufacturers took into consideration today... but I guess they make a balance between fragility / good reputation so they can still sell, but also be replaceable once broken.
It is one of the reasons I still like phones smaller than 5" screen... but the Z1 Compact is not as tough as I wished...
still waiting for a tough, waterproof, small, flagship... Z2 Compact maybe?
52. sgodsell (Posts: 3633; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
Qualcomm Snapdragon CPUs only came out in 2010. They had other CPUs like the scorpion, and it was the scorpion that was in the LG Expo that was released back in 2009.
22. akki20892 (Posts: 3901; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
Maybe someway it kills features phones if people planning to buy 100 features phone then, but in Someway people buy 20$ to 70$ features phone then its a different story.
25. noim1 (Posts: 297; Member since: 15 May 2012)
WEll Feature Phones are already dead (by the Chinese phone makers) .... Now this could be a threat to Chinese companies who make very cheap phones..Ppl will no longer buy Chinese phones instead they will now buy Recognized Brand products which are now making good Devices in the Cheap !!! So ppl on a Budget will prefer devices like Moto E & Nokia X & Nokia 520 , etc...Let the Low end Market boom with cheap phones from Big Brands !!YEah we the consumers will Win !!
44. jroc74 (Posts: 6005; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
I voted yes....but also WP and those Lumias can too.
2. jimjam (Posts: 257; Member since: 28 Jun 2011)
Nokia 520 = $60 (refurb $40)
feature phone $10-40
$129 phone a killer -doubt it
6. Antimio (Posts: 313; Member since: 11 Nov 2013)
Think in what you're receiving in exchange in the long run, price is not important here.
EX. Apps, touchscreen, browsing, chat.
29. elitewolverine (Posts: 5183; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
Because people looking at a feature phone will not care about that at all. Benefit? Yes.
The death of the feature phone, lies with the teens and will be teens of today.
It will not be moto, nokia, samsung that kills the feature phone. It will be when current day kids/teens are in their 40's. And all they have known is smartphones.
11. sgodsell (Posts: 3633; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
The 520 was originally launched at $180. Also those prices of $40-$60 is for the US only. The rest of the world it is higher priced.
Right now in the states you can pick up a moto g for $99. I am sure the moto E will be less then the price of the 520. The 1gb of ram, water resistance, gorilla glass, and higher resolution display alone make the moto e better then the 520.
28. elitewolverine (Posts: 5183; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
link to a retailer selling the moto g for 99$? Even Moto Doesn't sell it for 99. Unless you are considering the prepaid only version..http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr
_ex_n_1?rh=n%3A2335752011%2Ck% 3Amoto+g&bbn=2335752011&keywor ds=moto+g&ie=UTF8&qid=13999976 98
Also the nokia is still cheaper at 70$.
We can talk OS' all you want, in the end someone looking at a feature phone can care less what OS runs on it, they will be using it to call and text. Period. With the occasional benefit of a smartphone OS.
36. fanboy1974 (Posts: 1345; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)
Only Verizon has the Motorola G for $99. But it's crappie 3g CDMA only.
58. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
520 was $99 new, 521 was $149 new, but have decreased significantly.
I'll give you the water resistance and display, but the 520/521 don't need that much RAM, whereas androids do because of native inefficiencies.
3. YusufAli (Posts: 3; Member since: 07 May 2014)
The Moto E is probably the best budget phone anyone can buy.
4. csoulr666 (Posts: 115; Member since: 04 Nov 2013)
Killer budget phone, yes. Feature phone killer, no,......
Feature phones will see their end only when smartphones last 3 to 4 days on an average.
13. aksa123 (Posts: 320; Member since: 30 Jan 2014)
Agree. Feature phones are as hard as rock, and can last 1-2 weeks per charging.
They're hard to kill.
5. ckoch125 (Posts: 192; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
No. Feature phones stick around because price of data not price of phones. If you didn't need a data plan with any smart phone, smart phones would have got rid of feature phones years ago
21. Augustine (Posts: 1043; Member since: 28 Sep 2013)
Good point. Features phones are not only about the lower price of acquisition, which is 1/4 to 1/2 of the Moto E, but also the price of using them. As a matter of fact, in the third-world, where receiving calls is free, many people have a pre-paid SIM and never make a call, just receive them and text.
I grant that the Moto E is a good entry-level smartphone for those willing to pay more for a phone and to use it though. So, it might help increasing the penetration of smartphones, though it's a crowded price-level, but feature phones will still be with us for many years to come.
7. AnukulVcool (unregistered)
there are phones available for $20 and poor people want a phone just to text and talk. so, no feature phones are going to stay
59. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Not just poorer folk, but folks who choose cheaper phones, like older folks.
9. Commentator (Posts: 3685; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
What a weak question...
"CAN" the Moto E kill feature phones? Well sure, of course it CAN.
WILL it though?...
12. aksa123 (Posts: 320; Member since: 30 Jan 2014)
Old people tend to use simpler, more familiar tools, including phones. They will hardly move to smartphone. Except for some techgeeks op course.
19. Commentator (Posts: 3685; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
I agree. For whatever reason, there are some people who think using a touchscreen is more complicated than using a phone with buttons, when in actuality the opposite is true.
If Motorola could figure a way to overcome this obstacle, yes the Moto E can kill the feature phone. I don't think they will though.
51. jroc74 (Posts: 6005; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
You would be surprised how many older ppl I see with all touch screen phones....with obnoxious ringtones....lol.
Look around Facebook...see how many older ppl have accounts. Older folks are becoming more tech literate.
10. 0kax0el0 (Posts: 170; Member since: 15 Nov 2012)
In Mexico, old giant cellphones are known as "ladrillo" (brick), and Motorola's Moto E campaing is #AdiosLadrillo, though a flip phone is by no means a ladrillo. I think in spanish is a lot more accurate their intention.
Just as a curiosity, new giant smartphones are known as "Azulejo" (tile)
14. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
Probably not, you can still get feature phones for like £10 and for some all they need is a phone that makes calls and text and can last days on charge so for them that price is perfect and still a lot cheaper than a £90 Smartphone.
15. diehardnokian (Posts: 145; Member since: 27 Apr 2014)
Bold build, good battery life and decent camera. Think moto has got the recipe right here! This could end up selling like hot cakes
16. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3689; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
I think no, because people buy dumb phones for simplicity and reliability not for affordability, more like non-techies. It can kill the nokia and samsung touch featurephones though, no doubt, and the crappy chinese phones both android and non-android.
18. Sauce (unregistered)
For a little more money, someone can buy the Oneplus One, for a huge spec increase. Only problem is who knows how well that phone will be yet, and who will buy it, given the fact that barely anyone (the general public) even know this phone is going to exist.
All that are in peoples minds when you think smarthone is Apple and Samsung.
27. The13thKing (banned) (Posts: 849; Member since: 26 Feb 2014)
true... oneplus one is made by oppo which rings china and a laughable name... plus talk about availability and parts.. really the better option is to own an apple/samsung, these brands are reliable and respected ..
38. Sauce (unregistered)
Exactly. If "my" Oneplus One breaks... Who the hell is gonna help me within a reliable/practical amount of time?
If my Note 2 or iPhone breaks, I can drive right to a Samsung kiosk at BestBuy, or one of the Apple stores in my city.
Apple has online tech support chat and Im guessing SS does too. Im sure OnePlus has it, but the quality service from SS and Apple can not be beat.
56. The13thKing (banned) (Posts: 849; Member since: 26 Feb 2014)
Yes 100% true. My girlfriends' iPhone fell from her hands two months ago and the screen went black. It was quickly repaired and running great now. Imagine having a oneplus and the same scenario happens. Where the hell am i supposed to take it?
39. Augustine (Posts: 1043; Member since: 28 Sep 2013)
They said the same about Japanese cars in the 80s... :-)
55. The13thKing (banned) (Posts: 849; Member since: 26 Feb 2014)
If we are in the eighties of smartphones im not willing to wait for twenty years. And plus this is smartphones we are talking about, not cars. And japan is not china. Look at chinese cars they just cppy anything they see with crappy quality. Same can be said about chineese smartphones, just look at huawei with the faux leather or xperia design.
20. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
Why you guys say its the end if feature phones or in this case flip phones. I see lots of senior citizens don't want a smart phone. Chase its still too expensive for certain people.
48. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
I meant cause. damn auto corret.
23. NokiaFTW (Posts: 2071; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
I'd like to correct Victor. Smartphone adoption in India stands at 12% as of Q4 2013, not 6%.
24. Augustine (Posts: 1043; Member since: 28 Sep 2013)
Moreover, the numbers in figure 2 are confusing. For example, if 52% of subscribers still use feature phones in Brazil, how come the adoption rate of smartphones is only 23% there? What does "smartphone adoption" mean?
30. elitewolverine (Posts: 5183; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
adoption rate is probably new lines of service being activated with smartphones vs feature phone.
Meaning that if there is say 100 people, 52 are using feature phones. Now when another 100 come on, then it will be 23 smart phones and 77 feature phones.
But not all feature phone customer stays feature phones, which would account for that equal balance of 50%. Meaning there is equal people buying new feature phones, and current feature phones switching to smartphones.
32. Augustine (Posts: 1043; Member since: 28 Sep 2013)
A couple of questions. Does an adoption rate less than 50% mean that the fraction of smartphones is decreasing? Can I infer that if 52% of subscribers use a feature phone then 48% of them use a smartphone?
50. elitewolverine (Posts: 5183; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
You can assume that if it is not a feature phone, then a smartphone style os is being used.
But no that does not mean smartphones is decreasing. Mainly because even though 1/4 of new ones are smartphones, the 50% rate means that at some point those feature phones turn into smartphones. But they are not counted as an adoption rate, since they already have a line of service.
33. Xenaz (Posts: 144; Member since: 28 Apr 2013)
It's not just about prices and spec, like my mum, she still stick with her 3+ years old Nokia C2-01 simply because she find it very hard to handle a touch-screen phone and she is thus prefer on using the hard-keypad on the feature phone. And BB's qwerty keypad is not her taste as well.
34. fanboy1974 (Posts: 1345; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)
Feature phone yes. You can use this as a phone only without a expensive data plan. That's how my daughter uses her Nokia 521. I only got that phone for $50 but she would rather have Android.
35. sunilh121 (Posts: 11; Member since: 26 Nov 2013)
Why did they bring out the moto e. They should have added a SD slot onto the moto g. I have the moto g and it is good but not external memory.
37. Immolate (Posts: 310; Member since: 17 Jun 2011)
Feature phones are less per month and don't require a data plan. That's going to keep them alive on AT&T and Verizon. If anything kills the feature phone any time soon it'll be the Moto G ($150 unsubsidized) on Republic Wireless.
40. tacarat (Posts: 770; Member since: 22 Apr 2013)
Feature phones will stick around as a) niche products or b) something for niche customers. Feature/Basic phones are still better for durability, mostly by careless apes, and some customers won't switch. The latter will change eventually, if only through attrition.
41. punet (Posts: 5; Member since: 26 Mar 2014)
I don’t expect feature phones to disappear soon. Some people just don’t need mobile computing. I also feel nostalgic about than time when we had to charge our phones once a week. Where are those tiny little handsets? Do you remember when was the last time to touch both of you pockets to figure out where your phone is?
43. varunvk369 (Posts: 2; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)
May be in US... But in country like india it's really hard to kill budget phones. Because there are plenty of local stuffs already in the market in same budget range where Moto E belongs to. Micromax, karbonn,spice etc have their some phones with almost similar specs and budget in the market. I think Moto E is going to become a headache for them as flipkart.com is selling it for Rs.7000...
49. corporateJP (Posts: 2431; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)
Feature phones will be around for a while longer, this smartphone (or any other, for that matter) is not going to stop certain people from buying basic phones.
Ask my grandma.
54. Killua (Posts: 270; Member since: 25 Nov 2013)
Kinda hope they bring back the Flip rather than ending it though.