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Apple's 64-bit A7 processor offers "zero benefit" according to Qualcomm

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There has been a lot of chatter surrounding the idea of 64-bit mobile processors ever since Apple used it as marketing buzz with its new iPhone 5s. We pointed out that it could be a while before iOS users actually see any real benefit from the 64-bit A7 processor, and now Qualcomm is saying that the processor will actually offer "zero benefit" to users.

As we have pointed out, the main advantage of 64-bit processing is in addressing over 4GB of RAM, and the iPhone 5s only offers 1GB of RAM. Qualcomm's senior vice president and chief marketing officer, Anand Chandrasekher, echoes this point and adds "You don't really need it for performance, and the kinds of applications that 64-bit get used in mostly are large, server-class applications." He also says on the topic: 
I know there's a lot of noise because Apple did [64-bit] on their A7. I think they are doing a marketing gimmick. There's zero benefit a consumer gets from that.

Chandrasekher also said that it "makes sense" for Qualcomm to get into 64-bit mobile chips "from an engineering efficiency standpoint", so it does make his comments a bit odd. He did not say when Qualcomm would introduce a 64-bit chip, but did say that he doesn't believe consumer or hardware makers will be drive demand for 64-bit chips. That makes us wonder what exactly would would drive demand, if anything. 

Of course, the noise about 64-bit has extended beyond Apple, because Samsung has not only promised "64-bit functionality", we have heard that Samsung is in the final stages of designing a 64-bit Exynos processor. And, since Android already has 64-bit support built in because of its Linux kernel base, it should be easy enough for Samsung to implement. But, Samsung will face the same issue that apps won't be optimized, so the actual benefits could be negligible. 

source: TechWorld

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posted on 01 Oct 2013, 19:49 29

1. darkkjedii (Posts: 22038; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Dude what else would they say lol. All I know is my 5S buries my 5 and note 2 in speed, and responsiveness. I can only speak for my devices though.

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 20:10 4

6. GeekyGene (Posts: 88; Member since: 25 Aug 2013)


So much sour grapes right.

IMHO; Apple are providing the tools to get apps compiled for 64bit quickly and easily. Any apps that deal with encoding/decoding etc should benefit a little right? But at the end of the day, its all about pushing things forward. Their ecosystem is much better prepared to get this done quickly and painlessly, so I think this 'gimmick' is one that at least has some delivery. It will likely be all over and done with by this time next year as well, and when the iPhone 6 shows up, 64bit will be just a footnote commenting on the wide support that's now in place in the AppStore.

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 21:12 5

41. sprockkets (Posts: 1611; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)


I guess that means your 5 was a slow POS then? I accept your apology.

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 04:07 3

74. james004 (Posts: 486; Member since: 15 May 2013)


64 bit processor with 32 bit OS and 32 bit Apps. so where is the smartness in that?
qualcomm has always spoken truth about these SoCs manufacture, first samsung makes hype of Octo then Nvidia makes hype of 72 cores GPU and now apple.
one company that has always delivered according to their advertisment is qualcomm.
i rather chose qualcomm over all these hyped up SoCs that lie.

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 10:48

94. carlosquiroz (Posts: 6; Member since: 16 Sep 2013)


iOS is 64bit for iPhone 5S, inform yourself better

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 22:03 3

49. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


Of course it's faster, those other device are a year old, and one of them runs the most lag filled skin in the android world. But what apple has done with their processor is pretty amazing, and I'm not talking about 64-bit nonsense that nothing has been optimized for.

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 01:25 8

60. syedzain (Posts: 175; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)


and now they would say android this and android that.. Benchmark reveals Apple iPhone 5s blows all Android devices...

we should ignore these people and enjoy our iPhone 5s :)

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 02:54 2

66. cezarepc (Posts: 716; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)


Since when did iFans use benchmark as a bragging right?

posted on 05 Oct 2013, 20:38

123. sarge77 (Posts: 202; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)


Its about time they did thats the only thing android always talks about it benchmarks.

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 03:23 2

71. JMartin22 (Posts: 1984; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)


Only on a few on-screen benchmarks does it come out handy, it still loses in other places. But then again, all Android devices as of now are running older ARMv7 architecture. Once they get ARMv8 as well, the A7 processor will get demolished, judging by how it's only edging out the competition in some areas.

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 09:03

87. Bootutu (Posts: 228; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)


Keep watching how the 5s gets destroyed, no more powerful iphone sorry

http://gfxbench.com/result.jsp

http://gfxbench.com/result.jsp?benchmark=gfx27&data-source=1&version=all&test=478&text-filter=&order=score&os-Android=true&os-iPhone_OS=true&arch-ARM=true&arch-MIPS=true&arch-x86=true&base=device

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 09:15

89. Ninetysix (Posts: 2460; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)


LOL of course it does :) You see arrayOfPackageInfo[7] = new PackageInfo("com.glbenchmark.glbenchmark27", in their boosting code for a reason. But hey, keep on gloating those benchmarks Bootutu.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/galaxy-note-3s-benchmarking-adjustments-inflate-scores-by-up-to-20/

LG G2 uses the same SOC as the LTA version of S4

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 09:38 1

91. Bootutu (Posts: 228; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)


Yup LG does it too, and so is Apple, you think the A7 doesn't run at full speed in benchmark, Apple hides everything from you, so don't be blind ok

https://db.tt/sxMYCqWp

https://twitter.com/anandtech

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 09:42

92. Ninetysix (Posts: 2460; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)


I got my eyes on you buddy. Keep me entertained.

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 19:58

116. syedzain (Posts: 175; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)


U mean the benchmark that was cheated to look as if it beats iPhone 5s ... LMFAO!!!

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 03:12

119. cezarepc (Posts: 716; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)


You guys are either not reading properly or just plain friggin' stup!d.

These boosts in benchmarks are not cheating at all. They ramp up the CPU/GPU usage when benchmark app is detected running. How can that be a cheat? It's just like running the phone in full speed then measuring performance from there. Geez.

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 14:19 1

104. phatcow (Posts: 18; Member since: 13 Jun 2013)


If you think about it though, with the high end Android devices, they have to process more for higher resolution display, more processes (that I like having due to customizability and features), and other things that makes the process have to process more than the iPhone. Thats why in benchmarks screen on iPhone has better scores but screen off Android comes on top.

I agree with you about ignoring the haters and enjoying our phones! But you are no better hating on Android...

posted on 05 Oct 2013, 20:36

122. sarge77 (Posts: 202; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)


lol iphone should also be a chip manufacture as well the giant bandwidth this system supports is why this is a beast the gpu is really powerful but I love my android device. Nice work for apple using a dual core chip to out class its rivals that is impressive but you have to admit the only gimmick this year is the 5c besides the many choices of colors that about it the iphone 5 beats the 5c in benchmarks.

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 03:19 5

70. JMartin22 (Posts: 1984; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)


If your new phone "buries" your old phones in responsiveness and agility, then it has to do with the newer architecture of your SoC, not because it's 64-bit compatible. But then again, you're not very smart, an atypical trait of Apple customers.

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 15:12

106. bigstrudel (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)


But then again, you're not very polite, a typical trait of Android users that post on PA.

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 06:38 5

79. MobileKicker (Posts: 212; Member since: 19 Sep 2013)


Samsung can make nothing of its own
Chip of Qualcomm, os of android, chat on, etc.
That's a difference between an iphone & galaxy
But apple has everything.of its own a7, iOS, iMessage, etc.
+1

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 08:02 5

83. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Looks like you are illiterate in tech. ;)

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 08:21 5

84. JDogg5281 (Posts: 69; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)


Last time i checked Samsung makes iphones chip! Doesnt the iphone use google apps such as youtube. Samsung actually does make their own chip thats in the some Note 3, some S4, some S3, Note 2. Try doing some research before posting. Thanks

posted on 05 Oct 2013, 20:42

124. sarge77 (Posts: 202; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)


actually your wrong apple and samsung are so close in relationship they helped produce this chip that is whacking the gs4 and probably next would be note 3 lol got to love it.

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 07:44

81. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"All I know is my 5S buries my 5..."

Lie, not true!

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 07:57

82. yann (Posts: 266; Member since: 15 Jul 2010)


You look at benchmarks.
What about real life? Feel it better or just imagine...

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 16:04

108. intos (Posts: 90; Member since: 06 Jan 2012)


hey dude ... i dont see so much diferent between the iphone 5s and iphone 5...so we waiting for the 6 !!!

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 23:31

118. Mr.Verizon (Posts: 23; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)


Sad thing is, you can't count "buries" when were talking about a second or two faster. Same thing with android phones, you can only get a resolution that is so high and you can only load a webpage as fast as the server your connecting to can send you the data. Same reason i laugh when people puff their chest out that they have 100mbps internet knowing that you never get anywhere near that speed when you download something. Eventually hardware will stop being a selling point when the difference is minor or almost non existent. I can see 4k resolution mobile screens next year but nobody will be able to tell a difference from that and a 1080p

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 19:49 8

2. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Apple is getting ready for the year 2038 problem? That will be their response on "advantage" :D

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 19:52 2

3. Bootutu (Posts: 228; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)


The 32bit is ok for now as it is optimised for all the apps available, and besides the S800 beats the 64bit in any relevant benchmarks, next year i'm sure Android phones will come with 4GB of RAM to fully utilise the potential of 64BIT processing and not just marketing gimmick

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