Android is not the reason why the Android powered Nokia Normandy has apparently been scrubbed
But with Nokia losing the Lumia line in the Microsoft deal, and keeping the Asha series, it was thought that perhaps an Android powered Asha model could spur some interest. While it appears as though the phone has been 86'd by Nokia, the recently leaked render from evleaks that we showed you on Monday has some expecting Nokia to revive the project. One published report has the device launching with a 4 inch screen, a dual SIM variant, and a model number of RM-80. A forked version of Android would be driving the phone. This report cites unnamed sources as saying that Nokia has already put the phone on its release path, which means that even the Microsoft-Nokia merger can't stop it. But that may not be true.
While the Microsoft-Nokia deal might stop the Normandy from appearing, it has nothing to do with Android. The Asha line is not part of the deal, so Microsoft has no control over the Normandy, and in fact, the licensing deals that Microsoft has would make it profit greatly from increased Android purchases. The problem is that the deal prevents Nokia from putting its name on any handset for two years after the merger is closed.
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1. abdane (Posts: 477; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
I don't care what is the reason, if it's build quality better than HTC, software features better than Samsung, Battery life better than Motorola, Camera better than Sony... TAKE MY MONEY NOKIA !!!
3. Bernoulli (Posts: 1473; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
It's an Asha series, so as far as the camera being better than Sony seems unlikely, everything else though is a fact.
8. woodshop20 (Posts: 459; Member since: 14 Sep 2013)
Yep, great build quality aside, I'd only expect a dual-core, 1gb ram and a 5mp snapper for an Android Asha.
24. ihavenoname (Posts: 1489; Member since: 18 Aug 2013)
With KitKat, that's ok. If the pricing is similiar to 525, it will sell like hotcakes.
40. Bernoulli (Posts: 1473; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
Most powerful asha ever! Lol but if they decide to put at least the same 6.7 mp carl zeiss lens from the lumia 720 we have a clear winner here
39. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3561; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Forget it❕... Get a Nokia Lumia, and stop whining❗❗❗❗
42. sprockkets (Posts: 1302; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)
Anandtech tested the moto g and it creamed almost every phone, including the iPhone in battery life. Moto always has been king of cellular talk time and call quality.
2. akki20892 (Posts: 3611; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
Dude they are legend in all these categories. So don't worry because all Nokia's phones are best out there.
32. lalalaman (Posts: 373; Member since: 19 Aug 2013)
plzz answer me!!i dont understand how nokia will be Nokia again as all the patents and nokia tweaks are sold to ms.....or nokia is still safe with patents???
33. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)
If I'm not wrong, the patents still belongs to Nokia. Don't worry, Nokia will be back in few years later.
5. Bernoulli (Posts: 1473; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
Except that the Normandy is actually an Asha series, so camera can easily be surpassed by Sony phones, if the Android os were in a lumia body then that's a different story
9. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)
If it's Microsoft, it won't be a legend.
21. zdprince (Posts: 23; Member since: 10 May 2013)
One question sir: Which software giant had ever existed since 1989 and still exist strongly today?
29. nokia12 (Posts: 326; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)
that is in windows in pc not in mobiles
one question to you sir
which software giant despite having billions and 10 years of mobile market experience have failed miserably in mobile and has never been able to acquire more than 5 % market share ever ?
35. -box- (Posts: 3854; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Well, not Microsoft. They had more than 5% with Windows Mobile before iphonies were even conceived.
37. nokia12 (Posts: 326; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)
i agree but their best of the best share was 23 % in 2004 worldwide so they never have been successful in the mobile space.. they exist only because of their pc windows sales because they have the cash supply
had they been any other company with primary income from mobile os they would have been long forgotten
41. zdprince (Posts: 23; Member since: 10 May 2013)
thanks Sir box! Nokia12: reading your post tells me not to bother myself since you do not appreciate technology but follow the crowd. Come back in 2 years to talk about it. And I hope you return with deep knowledge of what a good Operating System is but not following the crowd like today!
44. nokia12 (Posts: 326; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)
i am a tech enthusiast
first i don't follow the crowd i was a fan of windows phone too earlier and i can tell you that it is a good product . But unfortunately not all good Products sell. i was talking from a business and market share perspective Look at Palm OS , Meego .. they were really superior( even in their infancy) to android/symbian/windows mobile but they never took off or sell .. look at blackberry OS 10 great product
but they don't sell because of business reasons
i used to support WP os before Wp 8 it was fast , fluid , no lag only thing missing was Apps . But sadly Android with jelly bean came and outdid Windows Phone in high End Wp8 flopped at high end against android and was a huge success at low end because android still lagged and was buggy at low end but with the introduction of kit kat google is once again ahead of windows phone . the concept of live tiles is a hit or a miss .. some people like it some don't . Windows Phone became a success because of nokia . Now without Nokia brand MS is nothing.. yup they will survive like they always have but give a challenge to android is going to be a tough hill task now. Especially when android is free and WP costs 10 $ licencing fee per handset
Ask any windows phone user why they switched to WP
answer - because it is free of lags and is silky smooth, it's different
now this answer won't hold up against KIT kat Smoothness
WP , ios and android are more or less same now
the point of it's fresh , new and different seems to be getting old once you use a windows phone the next time you use it it won't feel different or new
So once again why should i or anyone switch to or use Windows Phone?
and don't forget the MASS Corporate Favorite Operating system- Tizen
which is backed by
and more than 36 companies ..
46. zdprince (Posts: 23; Member since: 10 May 2013)
So first of all if tizen is favoured then this means that google and it android is the loser since Samsung out sells nexus.
Lags had always existed on android and will continue to exist even with kit kat because we always read lag free android anytime they bring an update but in reality nothing changes.
MS failed with windows mobile back then because they listened more to the businesses than the general public. But now everyone had noticed that there is an improvement, they have picked up their mistakes and correcting them. They now listen.
Every windows phone user is satisfied with his/her phone not only because it is nokia but also what run on the hardware.
HTC does not accompany their windows devices with apps like nokia does and that is why it struggles.
And when it comes to Samsung users even think they own android and so it is normal that they build bad devices for windows.
The public also fear going to windows phone even thou they have see the potential when they test it in the shops because of the propaganda some of you are posting like blue screens and also referring to windows vista... But what the posters fail to understand is that blue screens are hardware failures more than software.
When we come to apps, android and IOS has over 800,000 to a million but how many are repeated, productive and what is the average a user installs on his device? MS is building the important and useful apps which I support and the developers will also step in to complete with the rest.
MS has learned his lessons and are in the game again and in 2 years to come I will be here to tell you about it.
6. kindlefireowner (Posts: 426; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)
Fandroids got Punked again. Next you will believe in 2014, Samsung will release quality phones on every level. No more Samsung Galaxy Centura?
7. Reality_Check (Posts: 277; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)
And Trollers will continue their line with a new generation of Trolls.
18. boosook (Posts: 1072; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
Fandroids don't care about a Nokia with a customized version of Android, we have great devices, from the HTC One to the Sony Z1 or LG G2, from the Nexus 5 and the Moto X to cheaper alternatives like the Moto G. Whether you're looking for build quality, premium feel, good camera, Google experience, weather sealing, big screen or pocketability, there's an Android device that suits your needs even without Nokia. What's more, no Android fan would buy a device with an Android fork without the Google ecosystem, so the fact that this phone will never be released is completely irrelevant to us. We're perfectly happy anyway, and we have plenty of choices already.
10. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)
Okay, since the Asha is not part of the acquisition deal that means not just the Normandy will appear, there will be many more Asha series Android phones coming right? I mean, Nokia can make a mid-high end Asha Android phone like the Moto X right?
15. tadaa (Posts: 255; Member since: 18 Apr 2013)
just to clafify unless the deal was changed, asha is part of the acquisition deal. and nokia cannot release SMARTPHONES under its own brand for two years. i don't know why they keep on repeating that asha will remain with nokia
22. o0Exia0o (Posts: 428; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)
Thats what I thought. I dont know why EVERYONE is trying to say that the Asha phones were not part of the deal but I do recall seeing that it was.
23. o0Exia0o (Posts: 428; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)
Also I do believe that Nokia cannot release ANY PHONES not just smartphones as part of the Microsoft buyout.
11. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 2775; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
The problem is that they can't come up with another name to bypass such deal and make the Normandy true.
12. faizan-sharif (Posts: 54; Member since: 26 Jun 2013)
I do nt get the news from phone arena, can any one tell me exact deal MS and Nokia? it was news before that Asha series will also bw with MS, now its other story with this article?
Secondly 2 yrs merger program after that Nokia will be able to use its name? so microsoft will use which name? will it use its own name for lumia series after 2 yrs? theses are the questions i am not able to understand, please any one, help understanding :(
16. dratomic (Posts: 468; Member since: 09 Oct 2013)
youre right. i heard that asha series was also a part of the deal
13. N-fanboy (Posts: 538; Member since: 12 Jan 2013)
Would have been great to see android on a nokia device. But that would be weired because the low end devices would have a better OS than the flagships lol
14. nexusdude (Posts: 151; Member since: 22 Aug 2013)
So... Nokia has 2 years to build the absolutely best Android phone and then shove the M$ deal in their a$$. Hope dies last.
31. lalalaman (Posts: 373; Member since: 19 Aug 2013)
i still dont understand as all the patents and NOKIA Tweaks are sold to MS...so what is left of Nokia would be its simple hardware used in ASHAs
38. starkiller306 (Posts: 58; Member since: 13 Nov 2013)
the patents are Nokia's and Nokia's alone. they're not sold to anybody. it's only the mobiles and services division that ms is acquiring.
17. muhsen (Posts: 265; Member since: 07 Jun 2012)
there is some misinfo in the article, Nokia is not going to keep the asha series or any line of mobile phones (or tablets). The ashas series and the whole mobile devices unit (lumia , asha & s40 ) will be acquired by microsoft. the difference is that the asha and s40 devices will keep the "Nokia" brand for ten years under licence from the nokia company while the lumia phones will only keep the "Nokia" brand for 18 months until microsoft finds a unified brand for windows devices ( tablets & lumia phones ).
here's a quote from the article that the author linked in this article ( the first link :http://www.phonearena.com/news
/Microsoft-to-acquire-Nokias-Devices---Services-for-7.17-billion_id46994): "Microsoft will be acquiring all of the business and design teams behind the Lumia devices; and, of course, Microsoft will also be acquiring the Lumia brand name, as well as the Asha brand name, which has a lot of cache in the low-end market. " and a quote from the press release within the same linked article :
" Microsoft will acquire substantially all of Nokia's Devices and Services business, including the Mobile Phones and Smart Devices business units as well as an industry-leading design team, operations including all Nokia Devices & Services-related production facilities......Microsoft is acquiring Nokia's Smart Devices business unit, including the Lumia brand and products.......Microsoft is also acquiring Nokia's Mobile Phones business unit, which serves hundreds of millions of customers worldwide, and had sales of 53.7 million units in the second quarter of 2013. Microsoft will acquire the Asha brand and will license the Nokia brand for use with current Nokia mobile phone products. Nokia will continue to own and manage the Nokia brand. This element provides Microsoft with the opportunity to extend its service offerings to a far wider group around the world while allowing Nokia's mobile phones to serve as an on-ramp to Windows Phone."
it's such a shame that the author (it became a habit of some of PA authors) didn't pay any attention to the article he linked. and guess what ??? that linked article is written by a colleague within( and is published on) the blog the author writes for!!!!!
20. Alan01 (Posts: 199; Member since: 21 Mar 2012)
If you had bothered to read a newer story,which was used as a source for mine, you would have read that the Asha series is NOT included as part of the deal
27. muhsen (Posts: 265; Member since: 07 Jun 2012)
i have read that and it doesn't add weight to ur point. It points to a far worse point that some of PA authors have really shallow info about the subject that they r writing about not to mention persisting on it if it's wrong. My 2nd quote in my above comment is from a Nokia-Microsoft press release but to cut it off , I am just gonna put some important articles from Nokia conversations (obviously u haven't bothered to read them):http://conversations.nokia.com
and this :http://conversations.nokia.com
all of these come from Nokia themselves and r of 1000 times more weight than of any other source and there r lots of others too(http://conversations.nokia.com/tag/nextchapter/), so obviously Microsoft is buying the whole mobile unit with asha included. that's as certain as the fact that the temperature of 100C is where the water boils . with the newer article u have mentioned, that puts another PA author in a not-so-nice situation.
25. henrik6504 (Posts: 9; Member since: 24 Aug 2012)
If you read in ZDNET website it seems like Asha OS will be included in Microsoft:
"Microsoft will acquire Nokia's devices and services unit including both the Asha and Lumia brands. While Microsoft figures out how to integrate Nokia into its own business, it will retain Nokia's brand name under licence to sell both Asha devices and other feature phones."
26. henrik6504 (Posts: 9; Member since: 24 Aug 2012)
And this from Microsoft own official website:
"Microsoft is also acquiring Nokia’s Mobile Phones business unit, which serves hundreds of millions of customers worldwide, and had sales of 53.7 million units in the second quarter of 2013. Microsoft will acquire the Asha brand and will license the Nokia brand for use with current Nokia mobile phone products. Nokia will continue to own and manage the Nokia brand. This element provides Microsoft with the opportunity to extend its service offerings to a far wider group around the world while allowing Nokia’s mobile phones to serve as an on-ramp to Windows Phone."
28. noteseries (Posts: 80; Member since: 29 Oct 2013)
okay... 2 years its not a long time... :)
30. boosook (Posts: 1072; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
What do you think it will happen after 2 years? Nokia doesn't have a mobile phone division anymore, it's been sold to microsoft, together with all their kno how, patents and even factories. Do you expect Nokia to be able to come back into mobile phone business after 2 years? How? And with which products? Nokia is now a network appliances manufacturer and will not make mobile phones again, as it happened to Ericsson when they sold their phone business to Sony. Microsoft will make some nokia branded phones during the next 2 years, just to ease the transiction from nokia phones to surface phones (or whatever name MS will choose), because the nokia brand is so strong that it is the only brand that sells WP, and this is a problem for MS. After two years, MS will get rid of the nokia branding and nokia phones will be just a memory from the past.
43. corporateJP (Posts: 1719; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)
People are drunk here. Microsoft gets ALL Nokia handsets...ALL. MS gets all Nokia branding on smartphones for two years. Microsoft (for some really odd reason, as I've said before) gets full use of the Nokia name on basic, feature, and Asha phones for ten years. Nokia keeps the patent portfolio, R&D, Here Maps, Nokia Networks, and anything else that doesn't involve production of a handset or tablet. Nokia has a no-compete clause on smartphones for the following two years after the deal is complete. In two years, Nokia COULD come back and build a smartphone, but that's it...no flips or candy bars. On top of that, they will be starting from pure scratch. They'll even have to go and find new production factories. Nothing on Alan, but this article and some people here do not have their facts straight. I have two sets of stockholder letters that tell the story as it is. Cheers.
45. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1118; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
I predict that Nokia will return to the smart phone business when it can. When it does I think that Nokia will make Android smart phones as well as a good MS Windows smart phone.
When Elop took over Nokia CEO spot it appears Nokia could not make both a Windows smart phone and an Android smart phone at the same time like Samsung, HTC, and others did back then. Nokia was on the ropes heading downward When Elop took over. I do not think Elop was a trogon Horse. He did make Nokia a slimmer company and made it the
BEST Windows smart phone OEM to date and it's starting to make profits on Windows smart phones sales. some do not like Mr Elop but he did make some success at Nokia. he leaves it next year when Microsoft takes over what it purchased from Nokia.