SOPA, PIPA and the continued efforts of media companies to kill the Internet
1. biophone (Posts: 1894; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Thanks Mike I haven't read the article yet but plan on it. I don't understand how it effects the internet and just heard general statements that its bad. Now I have a great article to read and will actually understand the laws and why they are bad. Maybe I will even sign the google pledge :).
6. biophone (Posts: 1894; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Ok I get it now and whats wrong with it. I couldn't agree more great article mike. Going off to sign that petition!
10. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
explained to many guys and show them the megavideo song got 20 sings :D
14. biophone (Posts: 1894; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
To everyone else this article is well worth a read if you want to learn more about sopa and pipa.
And to protozeloz I haven't heard that song :O
18. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
The song its not that much of a deal could be catchy. The problem is that the song got banned from YouTube by a record company because a singer appears in the song the people that appeared on the video knew they will appear and the song has so content related with the record company (is a Mega upload song) the company sent a letter to YouTube asking them to take it down and the drama started.
Here is the banned video (available after they appealed to get it back) I'll let you judge if you think it breaks any copyright law to be banned, its the tip of of what companies can do with SOPA and PIPA
27. biophone (Posts: 1894; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Well if the people knew they were going to be in the video the company has no right to challenge it. Thats insane.
Catchy song btw
29. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
its what many said how big will be the price we have to pay so the big companies can feel secure... or a better question will they ever feel secure at all ?
30. biophone (Posts: 1894; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
I don't care if they feel secure or not this is bulls**t.
33. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
And like I said before it wont stop piracy at all
He said something interesting I personally feel identified with many "pirates " are users with little access to the content they want to get so a torrent or a site are the only options for then to see a content they want to see. I can buy software in US and fake my IP to buy music from the US because I can't here sometimes. But as many know I'm a manga fan see my profile picture? Manga is ultra rare to find and sometimes comes censored (adapted for "young readers" ) I have to say I read manga every week I can't find the ones I read and like in here so I just read it online until I get my hands on the retail version. If the manga company told me I could buy and read it online in good quality for a price and no censorship I would be sold. Instead I have a company that can't sell it where I am and is counts me as a stealing customer
Companies can come with better solutions than this law, solutions that help the content spread worldwide making more funds out of it but they decide to close it down in a selfish way
2. aliaselchore (Posts: 8; Member since: 13 Jun 2010)
if you want to understand what is all about insimple words just read paragraph #11, it starts of like this "Beyond all of these issues....."
3. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)
its very sad that how these big greedy corporations trying to lobby and kill freedom. this is totally crazy. i think we all need to oppose it and STOP IT. F*CK the people who are trying to kill the freedom of internet. btw thanx Mike for very informative read and creating the awareness. i think together we can make a difference.
4. LoneShaolin (Posts: 307; Member since: 14 Jan 2012)
DAMN GOOD ARTICLE WHICH GETS TO THE CORE!!!!!!
5. Orbitman (Posts: 110; Member since: 09 Oct 2011)
thanks for a great article, Michael! a bunch of other sites have mentioned it, but now i finally understand what this is all about!
7. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
nice article. I think sopa is not the best written law, but its principles are just. No it should not attack pandora or any youtube uploader without discretion, but many things in the bill like preventing offshore piracy and drug counterfeiting is needed... and the bill does not allow whole websites to be shut down, rather the specific link that had the copyrighted material.. i do not think sopa should pass, but there needs to be some sort of regulation-- it happens everywhere else but the internet..
9. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2682; Member since: 26 May 2011)
There does need to be regulation on counterfeit products and drugs, but regulating "intellectual property" has nebulous benefits at best. However, the value of sharing and linking ideas has been proven. Ideas need to live breathe and evolve.
11. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)
very true. again thanx for the wonderful read. article is actually very informative. actually they are trying to do the same thing here in india but people are raising their voice against govt. and might be able to stop it hopefully.
17. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
yes, but protecting copyright is a very fundamental part of business... downloading copyrighted movies is not exactly beneficial to anyone except the person evading the law.. i know people like to do it but it is illegal and if they are going to keep it illegal they should enforce it..
in my opinion i dont think a good law about this stuff would shut down ideas.. it would in fact promote it by assuring u ur ideas would not be copyrighted.. but i do not agree with the vagueness of sopa.. it needs to have more definite terminology
21. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
The problem is that those people can still pirate they will find workarounds. People that do not break the law suffers. It reminds me of a game that could only be played after checking it was legal on a server. The game had issues so people who paid for the game couldn't play because it had connection issues. While pirated version way playable, some had to download the pirated game to complete the game they bought. I have a useless copy of office because the number of times I can install it on my freagin same computer is limited! I have to get a crack so I could use my CD how is that fair?
23. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
well its not exactly fair.. but neither is downloading everything without paying.. what if everybody just decided not to buy office because of that? if this bill were to pass u would have to find another product, but if not u will just download it as u said… buying it would enhance the market.. it just shows this bill is more to help the economy than to limit the internet.. the government regulates stealing from stores so why not from stealing online? yes people will still find a way online but they still find a way in stores.. yet there is not a widespread problem of theft..
capitalism will drive u away from microsft and towards something else… is it fair to microsoft that u became unhappy with a product u knew u were paying for and then decided to steal in order to get what you want?
26. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
I'm not saying that I'd rather not pay for the game or office. What I mean is that many attempts to stop pirates end up messing with the Average buyer because hackers and pirates can still find workarounds for the most meticulous ways to protect merchandise. Unlike merchandise stealing where people need to go though walls cameras and other stuff the walls that protect content and the security can be blown away in several ways like having regular police officers trying to hold Superman with bullets. Shots will be deflected and injure the bypassers. The heavy piracy is bad. But also a video with a YouTube song is how I've brought around 30% of my tunes and 50% of my artists. I will buy my next version of office when windows 8 is released. I think companies should put effort tying content to people instead of blocking content. Blocked content will make its way in the hands of the pirates anyways even if they have to use smoke signals.
28. rfrapp (Posts: 77; Member since: 10 Jun 2010)
@Lucas777, do you not understand marketing? Downloading things for free does not have much of an effect at all on sales. Take music for example. The artist hardly makes any of the money that comes from a song or album. The real revenue comes from the concerts, and besides, most people who download a song or movie that they like will go and tell their friends about it, and they'll tell their friends, and so on. Eventually, there will be many people who actually will buy that item.
41. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
i actually work in the concert business.. and yes, i do understand marketing... but is it up to u to decide whether to market a product, or the person who actually created it? what if they dont wanna market it? if they wanted to give everyone free music they would on their own... and ya almost all money comes from concerts, but its still their decision..
8. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Thanks! This days could not go without people knowing about this as much as possible. This is dangerous really dangerous! And I'll set an example that with SOPA approved company X or news Y could block phone arena for adding news/ content from their site or showing pictures of a new device as long as they set their mind to it it can be done. But its not only the site but the funds needed would be cut off too the fight against let's say sony could simply shut pa for good (worse case scenario) for doing what they do and what we like them to do.
These companies need to stop thinking about how to block content and more about how to manage their content better these measures won't stop piracy but cause irreversible damage to the web that has become a source of income none of those companies is willing to give
12. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)
couldn`t agree more
13. Carlitos (Posts: 337; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
To put all this words short. NO MORE GOOGLE, FB, YOUTUBE! ETC.
Basically 25%+ of most peoples life.
15. InJuxHurYlem (Posts: 18; Member since: 07 Oct 2009)
This is dangerously reckless article.
Your statement that Broadcast companies hate sites like Hulu and Netflix is obviously incorrect. Newscorp has a deal with Hulu to broadcast many of their shows. Many of these broadcasting companies have production subsidiaries who have deals with all those sites you claim they want to shut down. Hmm.
Also, this bill is aimed solely at foreign companies. Youtube, Hulu, Amazon, any company with any kind of US presence, is safe. If anything, this will bring more legitimate sites inside our borders. You known EXACTLY what sites this bill is aimed at....where you can stream movies still being shown in theaters or watch live sporting events live for free, etc. You can't seriously be defending these.
Yes, we all love the Internet and, yes, we all hate The Man. But write a grown-up article and not something that sounds like a manifesto from a pissy teenager if you want to be taken seriously.
16. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2682; Member since: 26 May 2011)
News Corp has a deal with Hulu because it became impossible to avoid. But, News Corp still forces a delay on Hulu so if you want to see things new, you still need cable. News Corp also pulled all of its links from Google News, ignoring the benefits of the link in favor of its own walled garden.
We all know the aim of these bills, the problem is that 1) the language doesn't hold it to those aims and could be interpreted in unintende d and dangerous ways, and 2) there is danger in enforcing laws across national borders.
19. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
well maybe people will just have to get cable in order to watch it... whoever owns/regulates the content can do whatever they want with it.. i wish i cud watch free tv and movies legally too, but whoever owns the content has the right to do whatever they want with it... and if having it only on cable is that hurtful to their sales they will be forced to put it on the internet with ads or something or find another way to deliver content... capitalism will eventually shift the market to wherever it needs to go.. oh and btw i love the article so i dont agree with the guy on that part
40. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2682; Member since: 26 May 2011)
The market isn't free if the content creators are regulating to handicap one delivery method in favor of another.
42. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
one (illegal) method over another... its already illegal--no question on that.. but its just not inforced.. and i think the creator should be able to decide how they want to deliver it
24. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2682; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Oh and 3) more and more "those sites"are catering to an international audience who don't have the option of easy access like iTunes, Hulu and Netflix because of copyright laws
20. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6608; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
THIS IS f**kING BULL s**t! So what ever kind of content we upload on youtube or any site that have back ground music they can sue us? THIS IS f**kING BAD I TELL YOU
22. skymitch89 (Posts: 1086; Member since: 05 Nov 2010)
Lots of people are going to their social networking sites to protest my setting a black, blank picture as their profile pic and posting "Black out your profile photo to protest SOPA/PIPA!!" I have on all of my social networking profiles.
25. SleepingOz (unregistered)
Very good article, as always from you.
31. StrumerJohn (Posts: 66; Member since: 18 May 2011)
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32. eaxvac (Posts: 328; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)
It sucks to be an alliance of United States if this bil is going to be passed. In fact the scope of this is not just United States, and those that have signed a similar agreement regarding the ageing DMCA with them.
Countries like Taiwan, Singapore, Brunei, Canada and many more are in serious danger. If this bill is passed, it will be effective on your shores too. You are not alone, I've been trying to raise awareness of this around and even attempt on calling my Rep in my country outside US on it.
34. quesoesgrande (Posts: 217; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)
It is completely true that theinternet needs better regulation but honestly this is not the way to go about it!!!!! This will kill tons of websites, make the internet harder to use, and could cause international diplomacy isues because it would monitor sitesoutside of us reaches
35. hepresearch (unregistered)
The moment this bill passes, if it passes, our near-term intellectual future will be locked in... in a bad way. I know that in my field of study, it will become nearly impossible for scientists to share information via the internet due to the IP structure of the collegiate community and the DoE. Places like ArXiv will dry up and disappear on their own if they are not willing to be sued out of existence. The PDG will have to shed most of its mirror sites as well. Previously-free information sharing services between collaborations will become password-protected, monitored, and costly to administer.
On the corporate end of things, we will have a situation where the lobbying alliance that has pushed SOPA and PIPA will inevitably use these laws as a tool to bleed their competitors dry... either they will again become the giants they used to be, and never be removed from power, or they will only be defeated if all the victims unite in an even bigger alliance that then kills the lobbyist group and ends up becoming the very thing that they are fighting against... either way, we get the same result. We get ever-more-massive mega-corporate mindshare and over-regulating mega-government in the same freakin breath. It doesn't matter who wins in the end... they will all behave the same, no matter who they are. Once you consolidate that much power and control in one place, it is nearly impossible to undo it. Once you let the genie out, how do you get him back into his lamp? Once you open Pandora's Box, how do you get it closed again? Once you develop and use atomic bombs, how do you remove that knowledge from the world without killing everyone? The answer: it is practically impossible, if not completely impossible.
37. MorePhonesThanNeeded (Posts: 635; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
Problem noted, I will have a chat with the big man upstairs and hear what he has to say about the whole thing. Seems like what I said last year is coming to fruition, quick turn around. There will be change, keep your eyes open.
38. u-suck-more (Posts: 529; Member since: 26 Aug 2011)
i can't see the link :/ I WANT TO SIGN IT
39. networkdood (Posts: 6282; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
go to piratebay.org and screw these companies.....