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Rumor: Serious issue with 128 GB iPhone 6 Plus model prompts Apple to stop using TLC NAND flash

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Rumor: Serious issue with 128 GB iPhone 6 Plus model prompts Apple to stop using TLC NAND flash
A couple of weeks ago, we heard about a serious issue plaguing iPhone 6 Plus 128 GB owners – for unknown reasons, those handsets would just freeze up on their owners, or, even worse, enter a boot loop. Flash forward to a few days ago and we started hearing rumors that the culprit may be the TLC NAND flash memory, which is predominantly used in Apple's 128 GB toting phablets.

Today, a rumor, coming from “industry sources”, claims that Apple has, indeed, put its finger on the defect and it truly is the TLC memory. There have also been reports about 64 GB iPhone 6 models suffering from the same problem, which falls in line with industry insiders' claims that some 64 GB iPhone 6 units were also fitted with TLC.

We have no information on how much Apple's engineers worked on figuring out a fix the problem, but the leaksters claim that, ultimately, a final decision to stop using TLC NAND has been made and now all iPhone models will be fitted with MLC NAND instead.

Great news for future iPhone 6 owners, but what about those currently affected? Reportedly, there will be no recall; instead, Apple will try to patch things up on the software side as much as it can, with iOS 8.1.1. How effective this will prove to be remains to be seen.

Of course, we don't really expect Cupertinians to come out with an official announcement on hardware matters, so rumors and speculations is all we have until users are able to confirm whether the bug has been dealt with.


source: Business Korea via G4Games

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posted on 07 Nov 2014, 07:59 24

1. heyhoa (Posts: 26; Member since: 18 Jul 2014)


Early buy = stupid buy

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 08:03 3

4. justsayit (Posts: 256; Member since: 09 May 2013)


just ifans say that,

because they know early batch of iphone has lot of problems,but they still support iproduct

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 08:07 1

6. heyhoa (Posts: 26; Member since: 18 Jul 2014)


yea, there will be another problem with the new version as usual.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 08:18 9

13. Ziggy (Posts: 79; Member since: 03 Oct 2014)


If you want a good, durable product you WAIT, problems rise with ALL phones and electronics, but these problems are usually fixed within revisions of the same product that will mostly look the same. One example of this are game consoles.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 08:22 18

17. Ashoaib (Posts: 3229; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)


luckily most of iphone users are dumb users who dont know what is ram, rom, soc, nand etc they dont know what are issues... they just use phone for call, msg, fb or whatapps

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 08:30 4

20. heyhoa (Posts: 26; Member since: 18 Jul 2014)


It must be so true. I have seen quite a lot iphone users who type in his/her contacts' info at the new iphones one by one.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 09:03 2

33. LiquidGalaxy (Posts: 332; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)


Or they are just not super geeks who give a toss about that stuff - now go and do something like 'flash' your device or whatever you guys do, theres a good lad..

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 12:43 5

81. FAKEPERSONA (unregistered)


You're right, money can't buy Brains...

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 21:45 1

103. dmh0284 (Posts: 42; Member since: 04 Apr 2014)


Not yet. Just wait til the iBrain drops in 2025.

That one you might want to wait a couple generations before pulling the trigger.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 09:03 3

34. Sir-Lancelot (banned) (Posts: 98; Member since: 05 Nov 2014)


They hate technology.
They like to live in the past.
Then again, to desperate and the need for 2014 specs, but Apple will not supply.
"Apple's theroy": ......(worship us).

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 09:31 1

42. Gavst3r (Posts: 15; Member since: 20 Oct 2014)


I dare bet that the majority of Android users do not know what ram, rom etc etc are either. Most people go for aesthetically pleasing products, no matter what the innards contain. My missus is a prime example.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 13:38 2

84. jphillips63 (Posts: 221; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


I wonder what is yourselves of education? To say that those use iPhones or apple products are dumb and have no clue of the things you say says a lot about your level of education or shall I say lack of education.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 17:02

95. Jimrod (Posts: 1364; Member since: 22 Sep 2014)


Where most Android users spend their days working on particle physics, quantum mechanics and string theory on their Galaxy S4's of course...

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 08:42 13

24. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4833; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


That's a $1,000.00 purchase. I would be PIST if that happened to me. How are these imperfections with the iPhone 6 Plus keep slipping through those cracks?

First Bendgate, then iOS8 debacle, & now the TLC NAND Flash...

Is it me of is Apple getting super sloppy... Mass producing in effect defective devices? I mean one issue is ok, BUT 3 & the phone is not even 2 months old?

Hummmmmm?

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 12:28 9

78. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)


Apple has always been cheap when it comes to components. They use second and third tier parts because the money they save is far more than they will ever pay out in repairs/replacements. Mostly people upgrade their phones every 1-3 years, so even the cheap parts should last just along enough.

Now using bargain basement TLC flash with a controller from a braindead company (Anobit) that stopped working the day Apple bought them... this is designed to fail and fail hard.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 23:35

107. dimas (Posts: 2130; Member since: 22 Jul 2014)


iPhones don't cost that much in production. I am surprised that they didn't use Samsung NAND flash. Maybe they're already acting like Beats: More expenses on marketing and hyping up the product than building up their quality.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 12:41

80. androtaku (Posts: 242; Member since: 12 Dec 2013)


no android fans buy early android device?
dumd droid fan

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 17:54 9

98. cheetah2k (Posts: 1576; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)


Well, Apple refused to use Samsung NAND in their phones, so you get what you get ROFLMAO

posted on 08 Nov 2014, 15:19

116. LionStone (Posts: 743; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)


So what you are saying is Apple needs Samsung for its phone to work properly!? Oh the irony ;-)

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 23:57 1

109. strudelz100 (Posts: 644; Member since: 20 Aug 2014)


Early adopters are retarded. Its ALWAYS better to wait at least 6 months until the technology is proven and fixes have been applies.

posted on 08 Nov 2014, 11:25 1

115. T.Law (Posts: 414; Member since: 10 May 2014)


After antennagate, bendgate, burngate, crashgate, staingate and now this, it seems to be true when it comes to iPhones.

posted on 09 Nov 2014, 09:54

117. VHMP01 (banned) (Posts: 93; Member since: 27 Aug 2014)


Apple Pay = BOA double charges.
Crashgate, Freezegate, Updategate (iOS 7, 8).
Bendgate, Antennagate, Burngate, Staingate.
iMapgate, iMessageGate, iCloudgate (Naked Famous)...

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 08:00 27

2. DaHarder (Posts: 177; Member since: 10 Oct 2009)


Good... Now Apple needs to see fit to replace my (and other's) iPhone 6 Plus 128gb that's been randomly rebooting several dozen times a day since the day I/we bought them

NOTE: To all those ignorant Apple apologist out there - Don't Even Bother Denying Apple's Error Here... They Simply Need To Replace/Fix The Devices and Be Done With It.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 08:05 4

5. heyhoa (Posts: 26; Member since: 18 Jul 2014)


"There will be no recall; instead, Apple will try to patch things up on the software side as much as it can.." It's your fault buying it too early.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 08:10 13

9. Captain_Doug (Posts: 997; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)


Slow down there, the company should've thoroughly tested its product before releasing it. Now, being an early adopter does come with risks but that doesn't consitute fault.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 17:57 1

99. cheetah2k (Posts: 1576; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)


The problem being here is that Apple no longer uses industry best products in their phones, instead 2nd rate rubbish that has now caused problems.

They should have used Samsung NAND full stop, but PIG headed apple refuse to treat their customers with respect by using the best parts on the market.

Sucks to be Apple users right now IMO Apple don't give a fk about consumers anymore

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 08:13 24

10. DaHarder (Posts: 177; Member since: 10 Oct 2009)


B.S.... It's Apple's fault for releasing a FLAWED device.

You can't be so stupid as to believe that companies (especially Apple) release products so people Won't But Them... Then Again You Do Appear To Be Rather Daft!

Putting a near US 1000.00 dollar device on the market without fully testing every aspect of it is completely inexcusable for any company, even more-so from Apple, that (allegedly) has one of the most well-funded/regarded R&D teams on the planet.

Save all that inane 'Blame The Customer' rhetoric for your brain washed little mates stuck in Apple's RDF- I'm A Customer Who Spent Near US 1000.00 On My iPhone 6 Plus/128gb and Want A Device That 'JUST WORKS" For My Hard Earned Money - PERIOD!

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 08:20 4

14. Ziggy (Posts: 79; Member since: 03 Oct 2014)


Agreed. Sure, buying electronics early is not a great idea but this is stupid.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 08:25 7

18. Sakeem (Posts: 459; Member since: 05 Sep 2012)


Well said. Very refreshing to hear from an Apple user that has no problem being critical of Apple. Most seem to think they can do no wrong.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 09:16

39. Furbal (Posts: 980; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)


If my ipad air 2 starts doing this I'm going to be very angry....if they use tlc in them.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 11:12

71. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 2183; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


DaHarder is as much an Apple user as I am a Sailfish user.
There may be an issue with some phones, but Apple will replace ones that have those problems. They have the best customer service by a long measure.
TrollHarder, however, is just talking smack because his feeble mind can't wrap around the fact that people overwhelmingly want what he doesn't. If he was even slightly credible, it would be a different story.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 09:05

36. LiquidGalaxy (Posts: 332; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)


Testing absolutely everything is impossible...when it comes to ANY software or hardware..

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 09:40 3

46. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4185; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


Agreed, but in the case where something slips by, they need to fix it. And I seriously doubt that a software patch is going to fix a hardware issue.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 10:51 4

65. Cicero (Posts: 870; Member since: 22 Jan 2014)


But they know about TLC problems and they use it. Greedy them for saving few bucks over an super expensive phone. They try and loose.

posted on 12 Nov 2014, 18:23

118. Forsaken77 (Posts: 553; Member since: 09 Jun 2011)


It's not impossible. When full pcb boards are filled with chips they test to make sure that everything forms a well oiled circuit. They don't test each little transistor. And if a circuit isn't made, they have someone go over the board with a big magnifying glass to check solder joints and see if there's anything causing a short. But that's just on the pcb boar side of things.

Bigger pieces like memory are supposed to be QA'd by the company they're sold by.

I know this all because I used to work at Symbol Technologies' manufacturing dept (the company that invented the bar code & bar code scanner) before they sent their entire operation down to Mexico.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 14:48

86. timepilot84 (Posts: 113; Member since: 16 Aug 2012)


I'm not an Apple fan but you can't really blame Apple for a problem with a supplied part. The parts they tested probably passed with flying colors. I sincerely doubt they would have released it if they hadn't tested correctly. This isn't a design flaw, it's a faulty part.

That said, Apple is responsible for making things right with consumers.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 16:56 2

94. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4185; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


Actually that's not true. Here is the first part of the story here on PA when this came to light.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/The-random-128-GB-iPhone-6-Plus-crash-and-reboot-might-be-a-hardware-problem-tip-insiders_id62456

TLC NAND chips are cheaper and are also more prone to errors. Considering the profit margin Apple has with their devices, you'd think they wouldn't skimp on the internals, especially when said component is know to have issues.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 21:26 1

102. SIGPRO (Posts: 1432; Member since: 03 Oct 2012)


Yes sure your story is great and stuff but Apple still sucks!
They should recall the faulty ones and give customers a new phone! But you know apple, it's never their fault.
That's why i would never buy an iphone, old hardware and a lousy company!

posted on 08 Nov 2014, 07:38

113. reckless562 (banned) (Posts: 1153; Member since: 09 Sep 2013)


well then u shouldnt have got an apple phone.....

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 08:20 3

15. DillWeed (Posts: 149; Member since: 14 Mar 2014)


his fault? idiot.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 08:33 1

22. heyhoa (Posts: 26; Member since: 18 Jul 2014)


Yes, not knowing that all the early shipments of iphone series got some problems.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 08:50 5

28. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4833; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


It should never be anyone's fault for buying something "early". Apple should release a product that works, not a faulty product that needs real world usage in order to iron out any potential bugs or manufacturing issues.

What is Apple's issue, are their customers/fans also their R&D scientists?

DaHarder is right, ANYONE who paid $1,000.00 for this iPhone 6 Plus needs it to be fixed or replaced. That way as he said "Be Done With It."

+1 to DaHarder

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 08:59 4

32. willard12 (Posts: 1677; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


Why shouldn't they buy it early. Apple doesn't "rush" products to the market. It just works. Apple takes its time and gets it right. If people are told this over and over and over and over again, there shouldn't be a problem being an early adopter.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 08:08

7. Sakeem (Posts: 459; Member since: 05 Sep 2012)


Agree 100%. No need to get fanboyish about this.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 08:10 4

8. ManusImperceptus (Posts: 724; Member since: 10 Jun 2014)


I feel your pain; bloody annoying to pay a fortune for a defective product, Apple or any other...

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 08:15

11. Professor (Posts: 212; Member since: 02 Aug 2013)


Take it to a Apple store. If you are able to prove to them that your unit is having that problem they may be able to replace or exchange it...

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 08:01 5

3. tiara6918 (Posts: 2036; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)


They should recall all units with tlc nand flash

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 08:18 7

12. darkkjedii (Posts: 21206; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Good move, shouldn't have used them in the first place. Now replace for free, any handsets suffering issues.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 08:55 1

30. KingDingaLing (Posts: 324; Member since: 11 Oct 2013)


Yep, I agree. Have any problems with your 64gb? I haven't. Yet. Hasn't been the cleanest release for Apple, this yr. Although, I still really like this phone.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 09:26

41. darkkjedii (Posts: 21206; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


So far so good, other than a couple small software bugs. No hardware issues. How's yours?

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 09:41

47. KingDingaLing (Posts: 324; Member since: 11 Oct 2013)


I get booted from an app from time to time, but nothing major. It's been nice going back to iOS, though. Had been 2 years or so (except with the iPad) with me on the Android side. Really like how iOS has come along in that time. There are some cool features that were missing from 2 years ago. Pretty cool that Apple takes ideas from developers in the jailbreak scene and implements them into new versions. At least that's how I see it. I found some pretty cool stuff in Cydia a couple of years ago and it seems Apple has put them into the newer version. You plan to jailbreak your 6+?

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 09:44

49. darkkjedii (Posts: 21206; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Honestly, I've never jail broken one. I'm tempted.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 09:53

55. KingDingaLing (Posts: 324; Member since: 11 Oct 2013)


It's pretty crazy with all the things you can do. You'll lose your mind when you see. This is the first iPhone I haven't done...yet.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 09:55

57. darkkjedii (Posts: 21206; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


What's kept me from doing is when they update the software, doesn't it undo the jail break?

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 10:00 1

58. CX3NT3_713 (Posts: 2275; Member since: 18 Apr 2011)


My 128GB ip6+ had 2 reboots only, I then uninstalled two JB tweaks , and haven't had n e more problems (fingers crossed)

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 10:03

60. KingDingaLing (Posts: 324; Member since: 11 Oct 2013)


What did you jailbreak with?

And you won't be able to update without losing the jailbreak, Jed. But, there's not really much to miss most of the time. Small updates etc.

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 15:32

89. CX3NT3_713 (Posts: 2275; Member since: 18 Apr 2011)


With the pangu JB 1.1.x

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 08:20 1

16. Sakeem (Posts: 459; Member since: 05 Sep 2012)


If the "patch 8.1.1" doesnt work, will they recall or at least replace the affected handsets with the newer models?

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 08:29 6

19. VHMP01 (banned) (Posts: 93; Member since: 27 Aug 2014)


"It just Works!" NOT!

posted on 07 Nov 2014, 14:50 4

87. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)


"IT just bends"!

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